Education Futures

Svenia Busson & Laurent Jolie

A podcast about the future of education in the age of AI. We bring together interdisciplinary voices to explore how we can shape more desirable futures for learning.

  1. How AI exposes inequities in modern schooling

    2D AGO

    How AI exposes inequities in modern schooling

    In this episode of Education Futures, host Svenia Busson sits down with Ken Shelton, a 20-year teaching veteran and global thought leader in educational technology. Drawing from his experience working with schools in over 50 countries, Ken challenges the "all gas, no brakes" approach to AI, as well as the knee-jerk "ban and block" mentality seen in many governments. Key topics discussed in this episode include: The Digital Equity "Quilt": Why digital equity is about much more than just providing a device, it’s about broadband infrastructure, "digital redlining," and the quality of the platforms being used.The Problem with Efficiency: A critique of the AI marketing trend that focuses on "grading faster" at the expense of pedagogical efficacy and meaningful feedback.AI as a Truth-Teller: How AI hasn't necessarily created "cheating" problems, but has instead highlighted ineffective and antiquated forms of assessment like multiple-choice tests.Practical Pedagogy: Ken's "Golden Rule" for AI (More Context = Better Output) and how teachers can use Project Zero thinking routines to "AI-proof" learning.Confronting Bias: Engaging activities to help students and teachers identify the human-generated biases embedded in image generators and LLMs.The School of 2040: Ken’s vision for a future-ready education system that prioritizes lifelong intellectual curiosity, multilingualism, and media literacy over static curriculum. Ken reminds us that while the platforms may change, the skill sets required to navigate them: critical thinking, ethical leadership, and human-centered design, are evergreen.

    46 min
  2. Insights into Estonia’s OpenAI rollout

    FEB 19

    Insights into Estonia’s OpenAI rollout

    In this episode of Education Futures, we explore the "AI Leap"—Estonia's ambitious national strategy to roll out a specialized version of OpenAI across the entire country. Our guest, Jaan, is a neuroscientist and psychologist at the University of Tartu who is leading the scientific team overseeing and evaluating this project. Unlike standard implementations, Estonia has collaborated with OpenAI to create a custom, pedagogically driven tutor that prioritizes active learning . Jaan explains why this system is designed to stop and ask questions rather than simply providing answers, ensuring that students continue to construct knowledge in their own brains In our conversation, we explore: The Pedagogical Tutor: Why Estonia rejected the standard ChatGPT EDU in favor of a model that mimics a Socratic tutor .Brain Literacy vs. AI Literacy: The importance of teaching students why mental effort and friction are mandatory for long-term learning .Teacher Autonomy: How Estonia’s culture of trust allows teachers to lead the AI transition without rigid, top-down supervision .Measuring What Matters: Why the research team is moving beyond "overrated" grades to track more granular aspects of the learning process.The "Safe to Fail" Environment: How AI can scale the ability for students to make mistakes and receive gentle, honest feedback . More about the AI leap strategy: https://e-estonia.com/ai-leap-2025-estonia-sets-ai-standard-in-education/ A great interview of Jaan on the OpenAI rollout: https://tihupe.ee/en/ai-researcher-thinking-for-oneself-is-the-only-way-to-be-free-and-in-control/

    48 min
  3. Using AI as a motivational translator

    FEB 16

    Using AI as a motivational translator

    In this episode of Education Futures, host Svenia Busson sits down with Alex Sarlin, the founder of EdTech Insiders and Global Edtech lead at the ASU GSV Summit . With over 15 years of experience at giants like Coursera and Skillshare, Alex provides a masterclass on where learning is headed in the age of generative AI. Alex challenges the dystopian view of AI as an isolating force, arguing instead that it will serve as a "motivational translator" and a facilitator for deeper human relationships within schools . We dive into the psychological traits students need to thrive—focusing on metacognition and agility rather than specific technical tools—and discuss the "race against time" the industry faces to prove its value before a significant cultural backlash takes root . Key Highlights:The School of the Future: How AI will facilitate small group instruction and peer matchmaking rather than just individual screen time .Survival Skills for 2036: Why "learning how to learn" is the only durable skill in an asymptotic technological curve .Founder Wisdom: Why entrepreneurs should avoid "frothy" markets like generic AI language apps and look for underserved niches like accessibility compliance or specialized education .ASU GSV Summit: A preview of the "meeting of the minds" happening in San Diego this April.

    43 min
  4. Why hope is our greatest educational asset

    FEB 9

    Why hope is our greatest educational asset

    In this episode, we sit down with François Taddei, Chief Exploration Officer of the Learning Planet Institute, to discuss the radical shifts needed in global education. François shares his vision of "ethical dream-weaving"—the process of building futures that are a nightmare for no one—and argues that in a world of polycrisis, hope and collective wisdom are the only tools that can truly scale. Key Themes & HighlightsThe Ethical Dreamer: François describes himself as a weaver of ethical dreams. He explains how we must balance the "nightmares" built by those in power by meeting fellow dreamers to co-create a better world.Intergenerational Co-design: Why should decisions about the future be made only by those who won't live to see them? François points out that while 50% of the population is under 30, they hold only 1% of decision-making power. He advocates for involving students in co-designing everything from their buildings to their curricula.Education as the "Midwife" of Democracy: Drawing on John Dewey, the discussion explores how education must help democracy be born anew in every generation. We look at the history of democratic "fractals"—from city-states to nations—and why we now need a planetary democracy to manage our shared commons.AI and the Humanity Loop: Rather than delegating thinking to machines, François suggests we use AI to analyze complex "dream spaces" and find consensus among 10 billion people. However, he warns that the most vital human skills—managing emotions, mourning, and finding hope—cannot be learned from an algorithm.The Power of Hope: Referencing young activist Francisco Vera, François concludes that hope is the last thing we can afford to lose. Even if systems collapse, hope allows a generation to rebuild, reinvent, and co-create alternatives. Notable Quotes"I tend to try to weave ethical dreams, which are dreams that are a nightmare for no one, neither today nor tomorrow." — François Taddei"The last thing we can afford to lose is hope. Because if you lose hope, then you cannot do anything. But if you have hope... you can rebuild and you can reinvent." — Francisco Vera (via François Taddei)Resources MentionedLearning Planet Institute: An interdisciplinary center co-designed by students.The UN Pact for the Future: A commitment to making decisions in the best interest of future generations.Planetary Commons: The three types of commons we must protect: Natural, Human-made, and Digital.Aristotle's Three Forms of Knowledge: Episteme (science), Tekne (technology), and Phronesis (the ethics of action).

    58 min
  5. Translating AI research into educational reality

    FEB 2

    Translating AI research into educational reality

    AI in education is evolving at a pace that often overwhelms teachers, school leaders, and policymakers. New tools appear weekly. Research lags behind practice. Hype fills the gap. So how do we make good decisions when certainty is impossible? In this episode of Education Futures, Svenia is joined by Chris Agnew, who leads the AI Hub for Education at the Stanford Accelerator for Learning. Chris brings a rare perspective to the AI conversation. With a background in environmental and experiential education, from outdoor classrooms to apprenticeship-based learning, he has spent decades trying to bridge relevance, rigor, and access. Today, his role is to translate cutting-edge AI research into practical guidance for superintendents, state leaders, and education systems making decisions right now. In our conversation, we explore: Why the biggest challenge is not innovation, but sense-makingHow the speed of AI creates noise, confusion, and decision paralysisThe persistent research-to-practice gap, and why it’s even harder with AIWhat current evidence actually tells us (and doesn’t) about AI in K–12Why most research today shows promise, not certaintyHow leaders can think in short-cycle experiments instead of long-term predictionsThe difference between using AI for efficiency, outcomes, and reimagining schoolWhy personalization has too often turned into isolation, and how AI could help reverse thatA vision of future schools built around collaboration, real-world learning, and apprenticeship-like experiences Chris also shares why banning AI from schools is unrealistic, but blindly adopting it is equally risky, and why adult judgment, not student technical skill, will matter most in the years ahead. This episode is not about finding definitive answers, it’s about building the capacity to learn, adapt, and decide well, even when the future remains uncertain. Learn more about the hub here: https://scale.stanford.edu/ai

    46 min
  6. AI denial is the real risk

    JAN 26

    AI denial is the real risk

    In this episode of Education Futures, we welcome Louis Rosenberg — technologist, entrepreneur, and long-time researcher in virtual reality, augmented reality, and artificial intelligence. Louis has spent decades building technologies designed to augment human intelligence and warning about the risks when we fail to understand what we are building. In this conversation, we focus on a phenomenon Louis has recently written extensively about: AI denial: society’s tendency to underestimate AI’s capabilities as a way of avoiding an uncomfortable truth. We explore: Why dismissing AI as “just slop” or “just autocomplete” is dangerously outdatedHow AI systems are becoming cognitive rivals, not just toolsWhy humans are especially vulnerable to anthropomorphizing conversational AIThe concept of asymmetric relationships between humans and AIWhy photorealistic, conversational AI represents a new and far more powerful form of influenceHow AI may reshape education, work, relationships, and childhood itselfWhat skills children actually need to develop in a world of rapid, continuous changeWhy banning AI in schools is not a solution — but neither is naïve adoption Louis argues that we are repeating the same mistake we made with social media: regulating yesterday’s risks while ignoring tomorrow’s. He also shares a radically different vision for AI’s future — inspired by swarm intelligence and biomimicry — where AI is used not to replace humans, but to connect groups of people into collective intelligence, keeping human values, judgment, and responsibility at the center. This episode is a call to move beyond fear and denial — and to educate the next generation with clarity, realism, and agency. 📚 Essential reading — Louis Rosenberg on AI denialThese recent articles are directly referenced in the conversation and provide crucial context: https://bigthink.com/the-present/the-rise-of-ai-denialism/ https://venturebeat.com/technology/ai-denial-is-becoming-an-enterprise-risk-why-dismissing-slop-obscures-real https://bigthink.com/the-future/what-happens-the-day-after-humans-create-agi/

    57 min
  7. Education for the stewardship of the commons

    JAN 19

    Education for the stewardship of the commons

    What is education actually for, in a world where AI can increasingly do things for us? In this episode of Education Futures, recorded at the Learning Planet Institute in Paris, we sit down with Seth Frey, professor at UC Davis working at the intersection of computer science, social science, and self-governance. Seth’s work focuses on a rarely discussed question: what skills do humans need to run things together — responsibly, collectively, and democratically? Rather than framing AI as a tool to accelerate productivity or replace learning, Seth argues that AI is an uncomfortable gift: it strips away the superficial parts of education and forces us to confront why we learn in the first place. In this conversation, we explore: Why AI is often used as a substitute for learning, not a support for itThe crucial difference between formative and summative uses of AIWhy authenticity and motivation matter more than ever in educationHow peer-to-peer learning reduces reliance on AI shortcutsWhy meetings, dialogue, and facilitation are learned skills, not inefficienciesWhat it means to educate for stewardship of the commonsWhy responsible technology requires people who can govern togetherHow education could shift from credentials to lived, cooperative experience Seth introduces the idea of a “commoning standard”: a framework for the basic literacies required to steward shared resources — from classrooms and organizations to technologies and communities. This episode is about re-centering education on agency, responsibility, and collective capacity, and asking what kind of people we need to cultivate before deciding what role AI should play.

    40 min
  8. When AI forces Universities to face reality

    JAN 12

    When AI forces Universities to face reality

    What if artificial intelligence isn’t the real threat to higher education? In this episode of Education Futures, we speak with Michael Burgess, a sharp and uncompromising voice on the future of higher education, to unpack a provocative idea: Universities don’t have a technology problem, they have a strategy problem. Michael argues that AI isn’t breaking universities. It’s revealing what has been broken for a long time. Together, we explore: Why higher education’s operating model hasn’t fundamentally changed for centuriesHow AI is accelerating the exposure of slow, inefficient, and misaligned systemsWhy “AI transformation” is often the wrong framing, and why betterment matters moreWhat universities misunderstand about students, industry, and the marketplaceWhy entry-level work, credentialing, and degree length must be rethoughtHow innovation is more likely to come from outside universities than withinWhat the future of higher education could look like in a plural, AI-enabled world Michael also explains why most institutions fall in love with shiny tools, layer them onto broken processes, and then wonder why nothing changes, and why real progress starts with courage, clarity, and a willingness to cannibalize parts of the existing model.

    41 min
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A podcast about the future of education in the age of AI. We bring together interdisciplinary voices to explore how we can shape more desirable futures for learning.

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  • Creator
    Svenia Busson & Laurent Jolie
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    22
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    © Copyright 2026 Svenia Busson & Laurent Jolie
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