Where would this industry be without Harrison? Long before playbooks, gurus, or conference stages, Harrison was already in the trenches building, breaking, and rebuilding the systems that performance marketing and pay-per-call still run on today. He isn’t adjacent to the story — he’s a central character in it. A true pioneer whose fingerprints are all over how this industry scaled, stabilized, and survived. In this episode, we sit down with Harrison, and his story is straight out of the wild west of the internet. It starts at 13 years old — spamming the internet, flipping coins on eBay, living in sketchy forums, and hacking early SEO before anyone knew what SEO even was. That chaos turned into momentum. That momentum turned into a seven-figure run before most people finish college. And then came the real test: scaling into a nine-figure affiliate network that exploded under bad AR, weak controls, and adrenaline-fueled decisions. The wreckage became the lesson. We go deep on the things most operators never talk about: – Why promising wires you can’t send destroys trust instantly – How weekly, no-minimum payouts quietly kill businesses – Why radical transparency with advertisers and traffic sources can unlock exclusive access – How one counterparty default can wipe out years of top-line wins Harrison breaks down real operator decisions: – Trade credit insurance that saved six figures – Modeling payroll for twelve months of zero cash flow – Choosing durability over hype, ego, and dopamine Ringba is a core part of this story. As partners, Harrison and Adam Young helped architect the infrastructure that modern pay-per-call depends on. We talk about the early chaos of the industry, the trust failures, the lack of real controls, and how Ringba was built by operators who had already lived the downside. From call tracking to intelligent routing to marketplace liquidity, Ringba didn’t just grow with the industry — it helped define it. We also break down Ringba X, a programmatic call exchange built slowly and intentionally, prioritizing compliance, quality, and longevity in a space that usually chooses speed over stability. Built to last, not built for hype. Then comes the pivot nobody saw coming. A brutal private jet experience turned into a full-scale aviation business serving billionaires, built on 24/7 service and fair economics for aircraft owners. We break down a surgical, near break-even play that landed Grant Cardone as a client — flying him to Paris on a private jet — and why five hours of proximity at 40,000 feet can beat any conference hallway deal. If you’re a performance marketer, founder, or operator trying to scale the right way, this episode is required listening: – Communicate early – Insure receivables – Respect margins – Build real systems – Partner with people who’ve lived the downside – Keep showing up when it’s uncomfortable Sponsors: Ringba – call tracking and pay-per-call infrastructure built by operators, for operators https://www.ringba.com NewsBreak – reach local audiences at scale https://admanager.newsbreak.com/signup?utm_source=pod&utm_medium=lfg Subscribe, share this with someone who needs perspective, and drop a review telling us the one safeguard you’re implementing this week. No Money No Honey Let’s Freakin’ Go
