What if the thing holding you back isn’t a lack of experience…but trying to do too much alone? Dr. Frances Strickland has spent decades around campaigns, classrooms, public service, and political movements without ever seeking elected office herself. A former First Lady of Ohio, educational psychologist, educator, and author, she has spent a lifetime watching how women build influence, navigate resistance, and keep moving when progress takes longer than expected. In this episode of Carry As You Climb, Frances joins Nan Whaley for a conversation about the lessons that only become clear with time: why the right partner can multiply your strengths, why discomfort can make a conversation more useful, and why generations that approach leadership differently still need each other. Her lesson: experience matters, but experience alone isn’t enough. Lasting leadership depends on partnership, patience, and a willingness to stay in the room when someone else sees the world differently. Conversation Highlights: You need a partner: Frances shares the leadership lesson she wishes she had learned much earlier…why having the right complement to your strengths can change what you can build.Progress rarely moves in a straight line: from Martha Layne Collins becoming Kentucky’s first woman governor to the public scrutiny faced by women such as Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama, Frances reflects on how women learn when to push, recalibrate, and keep moving. Tension can be useful: an unexpected lesson from her granddaughter’s art becomes a larger argument for staying at the table when conversation gets uncomfortable.Generations need each other: why younger and older organizers can talk past one another, and what becomes possible when experience and urgency are treated as assets rather than competing worldviews. Resources Mentioned: The Little Girl Who Grew Up to Be Governor: Leadership Lessons and Stories From the Life of Martha Layne Collins by Frances Smith StricklandSuffs, the musicalIron Jawed Angels (2004)Women's Rights National Historical Park, Seneca FallsOhio Democratic PartyDr. Kimberly Hamlin, historian at Miami University — hear her Carry As You Climb episode on Alice Paul and the suffrage movementEllen Belcher's Carry As You Climb episode, referenced for the Dayton Daily News editorial board story About Our Guest: Dr. Frances Strickland is an educational psychologist, educator, author, and former First Lady of Ohio. She earned her doctorate in educational psychology from the University of Kentucky and worked for years as a public school psychologist. She is the author of The Little Girl Who Grew Up to Be Governor, about Kentucky Governor Martha Layne Collins, and spent decades alongside her husband, former Ohio Governor and U.S. Representative Ted Strickland, through campaigns and public service. About the Host: Nan Whaley is a longtime community leader and public servant. She's currently the CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southwest Ohio. She served as Mayor of Dayton, Ohio, from 2014 - 2022. Nan has also presided over the United Conference of Mayors. She's a feminist, daughter, aunt, sister, and friend. About the Show: Carry As You Climb elevates the voices of women in leadership from Ohio and across the United States. The podcast features guests who give special attention to not only busting through doors to lead but also hold the door open for more women behind them. In other words, they carry as they climb. We focus on leadership development and leadership lessons. Plus, we share personal experiences to inspire the inclusion of more diverse leaders in business, government and the nonprofit sector. Connect with Carry As You Climb Instagram | Facebook | TikTok | Twitter | LinkedIn Stay up to date with Nan's Substack: substack.com/@nanwhaley Join the Climb: If this conversation moved you, share it with someone who needs to hear it, subscribe to Carry As You Climb, and leave a rating or review wherever you listen. Produced by: Collective Change Communications - Kelly Sakalas & Jeni Keeler Note: The opinions expressed by host Nan Whaley on this podcast are hers alone, and do not represent any organization with which she is affiliated.