The Messy Middle Podcast

Erika Leon

The podcast for women navigating the raw, confusing, lonely aftermath of narcissistic abuse and emotional control. I'm Erika Leon, trauma-informed Abuse Recovery coach, mom of five, and creator of the Six Keys to Unfu*kwithable. I have walked thousands of women through the part after the leaving where the adrenaline fades, the grief hits, and the world really wants you to just move on.If you are picking up the pieces, questioning everything, and trying to remember who the f**k you were before you were so carefully erased, you are in the right place.

  1. 1d ago

    35 | Why Do You Replay Conversations in Your Head?

    Why do you replay conversations in your head long after they’re over? You know the drill. Three days later, you’re in the shower, driving, folding laundry or making dinner - and suddenly you’re replaying that conversation again. What they said. What you said. What you should have said. What you’ll say if it ever happens again. And somehow, your brain has turned one awkward conversation into a full Netflix series. But what if this isn’t simply “overthinking”? In this episode of The Messy Middle, we explore the fascinating connection between replaying conversations, self-policing, emotional abuse and the inner critic that can quietly take over your life. Because after years of criticism, shame, emotional unpredictability or abuse, you may have learned to criticize yourself before someone else can. Your nervous system may have decided that if you can catch your mistakes first, anticipate every possible reaction and constantly monitor yourself, you’ll stay safe. The problem? Eventually, you may stop realizing that the voice doing all that criticizing isn't actually you. We talk about: Why your brain may be replaying the feeling of a conversation rather than the conversation itselfHow emotional abuse can leave you policing yourself long after the abuser is goneWhy the inner critic may be made up of voices you've collected throughout your lifeHow perfectionism can turn every interaction into an internal performance reviewThe connection between your inner dialogue, your nervous system and your physical stateWhy you don't need to argue with your inner critic - you just need to stop giving it voting rightsAnd the simple exercise Erica uses to help women identify whose voice they're actually hearingYou'll also get a practical exercise to try the next time you catch yourself replaying a conversation: Don't try to stop the thought. Catch it. Write down the first sentence exactly as it appears - and ask yourself: “Who does that sound like?” Because awareness is where the shift begins. You are not crazy. You are not broken. And that relentless voice in your head may not be your wisdom at all. It might just be an old survival strategy that forgot to retire. The question isn't always “Is this thought true?” Sometimes, the better question is: “Is this thought useful?” 📩 Send in YOUR questions and get them answered on the podcast! 📢 Get a Laster Coaching call for only $150. A 45-minute session to get to know me, experience my approach, and receive a personalized plan to kickstart your healing journey. Perfect for testing the waters before diving deeper. 🎬 Watch Unfu*kwithable Boundaries Masterclass for FREE. Learn how setting clear boundaries can change your life for good and where to start!  📝 Get the Somatic Keys Course. Learn how to recognize your signals, regulate your responses, and reclaim your nervous system as a place of truth.

  2. Aug 13

    34 | Why Small Decisions Feel So Overwhelming After Narcissistic Abuse

    Have you ever spent more time choosing a coffee, a shampoo, or a paint color than you did making one of the biggest decisions of your life? If you've left a controlling, manipulative, or narcissistic relationship, you're not imagining it. Those tiny everyday decisions can feel surprisingly overwhelming - and it isn't because you're bad at making choices. In this episode, we explore why survivors often lose trust in their own judgment, how years of criticism and gaslighting condition your nervous system to see even small decisions as dangerous, and why the hardest part of recovery isn't always leaving - it's learning to choose for yourself again. You'll discover why self-trust isn't about always making the "right" decision. It's about believing you'll be okay, even if you don't. In this episode, you'll learn: Why everyday decisions can feel harder than life-changing ones.How narcissistic abuse disconnects you from your own preferences and intuition.The difference between surviving and truly choosing.Why gathering more information rarely creates more confidence.A simple exercise to begin rebuilding self-trust one small decision at a time.If you've ever caught yourself asking, "Can I run something by you?" or "What would you do?" before making even the smallest choice, this conversation will help you understand why - and show you the first steps toward trusting yourself again. Because healing isn't about becoming someone who never gets it wrong. It's about becoming someone who knows she'll never abandon herself again. 📩 Send in YOUR questions and get them answered on the podcast! 📢 Get a Laster Coaching call for only $150. A 45-minute session to get to know me, experience my approach, and receive a personalized plan to kickstart your healing journey. Perfect for testing the waters before diving deeper. 🎬 Watch Unfu*kwithable Boundaries Masterclass for FREE. Learn how setting clear boundaries can change your life for good and where to start!  📝 Get the Somatic Keys Course. Learn how to recognize your signals, regulate your responses, and reclaim your nervous system as a place of truth.

  3. Aug 6

    33 | The Urge to Explain Yourself (Even When You Don't Need To)

    Have you ever noticed how saying a simple "No, I can't make it" somehow turns into a five-minute explanation? You start listing your schedule, apologizing, justifying your decision, and trying to make sure the other person understands... even though they never asked for all the details. If that sounds familiar, you're not alone. In this episode of The Messy Middle, we're unpacking one of the most common survival patterns after emotional and narcissistic abuse: over-explaining. Because over-explaining isn't really about sharing information. It's often about trying to manage someone else's disappointment, avoid conflict, earn permission, or prove that your boundary is "reasonable." Together, we'll explore: Why so many survivors feel compelled to justify every decisionHow childhood conditioning and abusive relationships teach us that "no" isn't enoughThe hidden difference between being kind and negotiating your own boundariesWhy some people keep asking "why"—not because they don't understand, but because they don't like your answerHow over-explaining becomes an attempt to prevent rejectionWhy someone else's disappointment is not your responsibility to fixThe surprising power of silence after you've said what you need to sayA simple practice to help you notice when you're explaining out of fear instead of choiceIf you've ever caught yourself thinking: "I hope they don't think I'm selfish.""Maybe I should explain a little more...""I don't want them to be upset with me."...this episode is for you. Your boundary is not a courtroom. You don't need to present evidence before you're allowed to say no. Your needs don't become valid because someone else agrees with them. Sometimes the most healing thing you can do is trust that your first answer was enough. Listen now and discover why you don't have to earn the right to take up space - you already have it. 📩 Send in YOUR questions and get them answered on the podcast! 📢 Get a Laster Coaching call for only $150. A 45-minute session to get to know me, experience my approach, and receive a personalized plan to kickstart your healing journey. Perfect for testing the waters before diving deeper. 🎬 Watch Unfu*kwithable Boundaries Masterclass for FREE. Learn how setting clear boundaries can change your life for good and where to start!  📝 Get the Somatic Keys Course. Learn how to recognize your signals, regulate your responses, and reclaim your nervous system as a place of truth.

  4. Jul 30

    32 | When Healing Becomes Another Place To Hide

    Can healing ever become a way of avoiding life? It sounds like a strange question... but if you've been reading all the books, listening to every podcast, taking every course, journaling endlessly, and still feel like your life isn't actually changing, this episode is for you. In this honest and thought-provoking conversation, we explore a pattern I see time and time again with survivors of narcissistic abuse: the moment when learning and self-awareness quietly become a substitute for taking action. Because understanding yourself is powerful. But eventually, understanding has to become living. In this episode, you'll discover: How "healing" can unintentionally become another place to hidWhy your nervous system often prefers preparation over actionThe difference between understanding your patterns and changing your lifeWhy readiness usually comes after courage, not before itA simple exercise to help you identify the one action you've been postponing while you keep preparingIf you've been waiting for one more book, one more breakthrough, one more course, or one more sign before you finally start living your life... ...this episode is your sign. Because your next chapter probably isn't hiding inside another workbook. It's waiting in the boundary you've been avoiding. The conversation you've been putting off. The decision you've known you needed to make. Healing was never meant to become your identity. It was meant to help you reclaim your life. Listen now, and ask yourself one powerful question: 📩 Send in YOUR questions and get them answered on the podcast! 📢 Get a Laster Coaching call for only $150. A 45-minute session to get to know me, experience my approach, and receive a personalized plan to kickstart your healing journey. Perfect for testing the waters before diving deeper. 🎬 Watch Unfu*kwithable Boundaries Masterclass for FREE. Learn how setting clear boundaries can change your life for good and where to start!  📝 Get the Somatic Keys Course. Learn how to recognize your signals, regulate your responses, and reclaim your nervous system as a place of truth.

  5. Jul 23

    31 | The Guilt of Being Happy Again After Narcissistic Abuse

    Have you ever caught yourself laughing, enjoying a peaceful day, or realizing you hadn't thought about your ex for hours... only to be hit by an unexpected wave of guilt? If you've experienced emotional or narcissistic abuse, happiness can feel surprisingly uncomfortable. Not because you don't want it but because your nervous system learned that peace never lasted. In this episode of The Messy Middle, I explore why so many survivors feel guilty when life starts getting better, why joy can feel unsafe after trauma, and how healing isn't about forgetting what happened. It's about finally giving yourself permission to live again. Inside this episode, you'll discover: Why happiness can trigger guilt after narcissistic abuseHow trauma teaches your nervous system to expect the worstWhy you don't have to keep suffering to prove your pain was realThe hidden fear of "moving on too soon"Why your ex appearing happy doesn't mean they're healthierHow to stop interrupting your own joyA simple somatic practice to help you feel safe experiencing happiness againIf you've ever thought: "Am I allowed to be happy?" "What if moving forward means I'm forgetting what happened?" "Why do I feel guilty when life is finally getting better?" This episode is for you. Listen now, and give yourself permission to stop surviving... and start living. 📩 Send in YOUR questions and get them answered on the podcast! 📢 Get a Laster Coaching call for only $150. A 45-minute session to get to know me, experience my approach, and receive a personalized plan to kickstart your healing journey. Perfect for testing the waters before diving deeper. 🎬 Watch Unfu*kwithable Boundaries Masterclass for FREE. Learn how setting clear boundaries can change your life for good and where to start!  📝 Get the Somatic Keys Course. Learn how to recognize your signals, regulate your responses, and reclaim your nervous system as a place of truth.

  6. Jul 16

    30 | Why You Can't Just "Let It Go" - Let's Talk About Anger

    You escaped the relationship. You survived the chaos. So why are you suddenly so angry? If you've found yourself feeling unexpectedly furious months or even years after leaving a narcissistic or emotionally abusive relationship, you're not going backwards. You're healing. In this episode of The Messy Middle, we explore why anger often arrives long after the relationship ends, why so many women fear it, and why healthy anger is one of the clearest signs that your nervous system finally feels safe enough to tell you the truth. You'll learn: Why survivors often suppress anger during abusive relationshipsThe connection between trauma, the nervous system, and delayed angerWhy women are conditioned to fear their own angerThe difference between healthy anger, resentment, and abusive rageHow anger helps rebuild boundaries, self-respect, and confidenceWhy becoming "less tolerant" isn't becoming bitter. It's becoming honest.A simple somatic practice to safely process anger when it shows upIf you've ever wondered: "Why didn't I leave sooner?" "Why am I only getting angry now?" "What if I'm becoming bitter?" This conversation is for you. Your anger isn't a sign that you're failing at healing. It may be the part of you that finally loves you enough to stop accepting what hurt you. If this episode resonates, subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who needs to hear that their anger isn't the enemy. It might just be the beginning of coming home to themselves. 📩 Send in YOUR questions and get them answered on the podcast! 📢 Get a Laster Coaching call for only $150. A 45-minute session to get to know me, experience my approach, and receive a personalized plan to kickstart your healing journey. Perfect for testing the waters before diving deeper. 🎬 Watch Unfu*kwithable Boundaries Masterclass for FREE. Learn how setting clear boundaries can change your life for good and where to start!  📝 Get the Somatic Keys Course. Learn how to recognize your signals, regulate your responses, and reclaim your nervous system as a place of truth.

  7. Jul 9

    29 | Why Healing After Abuse Takes Longer Than You Think

    How long should healing take after narcissistic abuse? What if you're still thinking about it years later? If you've ever caught yourself thinking, "I should be over this by now," this episode is for you. One of the biggest traps survivors fall into isn't staying stuck. It's believing they shouldn't still be affected by what happened. Society expects you to move on, stop talking about it, and become the "better" version of yourself on someone else's timeline. But recovering from emotional abuse isn't the same as getting over a normal breakup. In this episode, I explore why that quiet pressure to "just move on" creates shame, why healing after betrayal and coercive control is far more complex than people realize, and why you're not failing simply because you're still making sense of what happened. You'll learn: Why the thought "I should be over this by now" is so common after narcissistic abuseHow society pressures survivors to recover in ways that make everyone else more comfortableWhy emotional abuse isn't just heartbreak. It's the collapse of trust, identity, safety, and reality itselfWhy your ex appearing "fine" says nothing about your healingThe powerful question to ask instead of "Why am I not over this yet?"If you've been judging yourself for still feeling angry, grieving, confused, or deeply affected months or even years later, this conversation will remind you of one important truth: You're not healing on the wrong timeline. You're healing from something that changed your entire reality. 📩 Send in YOUR questions and get them answered on the podcast! 📢 Get a Laster Coaching call for only $150. A 45-minute session to get to know me, experience my approach, and receive a personalized plan to kickstart your healing journey. Perfect for testing the waters before diving deeper. 🎬 Watch Unfu*kwithable Boundaries Masterclass for FREE. Learn how setting clear boundaries can change your life for good and where to start!  📝 Get the Somatic Keys Course. Learn how to recognize your signals, regulate your responses, and reclaim your nervous system as a place of truth.

  8. Jun 18

    28 | Why You Feel Behind in Life After Narcissistic Abuse

    Do you ever look around and feel like everyone else got the life you were supposed to have? The stable relationship. The career. The home. The confidence. The clear direction. Meanwhile, you're trying to rebuild after emotional abuse, betrayal, divorce, coercive control, or years spent surviving instead of thriving. In this episode of The Messy Middle, Erica explores the painful belief that you're somehow "behind" in life, and why that feeling is so common for survivors of narcissistic and emotionally abusive relationships. When you've spent years managing someone else's moods, walking on eggshells, second-guessing yourself, carrying the mental load, or simply trying to survive, it's easy to look back and feel like you've lost time. But what if you're comparing yourself to a timeline that was never yours to begin with? Together we unpack:  Why survivors often feel left behind while everyone else seems to be moving forwardThe hidden cost of spending years in survival modeHow social media and comparison can distort realityWhy you're not comparing apples to apples when you compare your journey to someone else'sThe grief of the life you thought you'd have by nowWhy healing isn't about catching up, it's about creating a life that actually fits youThis episode is a powerful reminder that you're not failing, broken, or late. You've simply lived through experiences that shaped your path differently. And from here, you get to build a life based on what matters to you, not what looks good from the outside. If you've been carrying that quiet ache that says "I should be further along by now," this conversation is for you. 📩 Send in YOUR questions and get them answered on the podcast! 📢 Get a Laster Coaching call for only $150. A 45-minute session to get to know me, experience my approach, and receive a personalized plan to kickstart your healing journey. Perfect for testing the waters before diving deeper. 🎬 Watch Unfu*kwithable Boundaries Masterclass for FREE. Learn how setting clear boundaries can change your life for good and where to start!  📝 Get the Somatic Keys Course. Learn how to recognize your signals, regulate your responses, and reclaim your nervous system as a place of truth.

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The podcast for women navigating the raw, confusing, lonely aftermath of narcissistic abuse and emotional control. I'm Erika Leon, trauma-informed Abuse Recovery coach, mom of five, and creator of the Six Keys to Unfu*kwithable. I have walked thousands of women through the part after the leaving where the adrenaline fades, the grief hits, and the world really wants you to just move on.If you are picking up the pieces, questioning everything, and trying to remember who the f**k you were before you were so carefully erased, you are in the right place.