Blooms and Beyond

Ping Yu

This is a podcast that explores plant history, culture and management through the lens of science, unfolding plant power through horticultural anecdotal stories and impressive management practices. Each episode features an interview with an expert in horticulture, bringing you the most enchanting stories behind the scenes, the pioneering research shapes the future, and the hidden power enriches our lives. Whether you are a commercial professional looking for management best practices, students in search of horticultural career opportunities, someone questing after plant-related stories, or anyone in between, you will find content that resonates with you.

  1. Episode 1

    Georgia's Green Industry and the Power of Advocacy with Lanie Riner

    Georgia’s Green Industry and the Power of Advocacy Season 2 opens with Lanie Riner — greenhouse grower, farm kid turned Executive Director of the Georgia Green Industry Association, and the person who wrote the letter that helped strengthen Georgia’s Freedom to Farm protections. Lanie runs GGIA while running Thunderwood Farms in Meriwether County, and she brings both perspectives to a conversation about what it takes to advocate for an industry that, as she puts it, “puts nature back in place.” Ping and Lanie go back to a Ginkgo biloba tree and a job interview. From there, the conversation covers GGIA’s 35-year history, the COVID-era fight to keep horticulture classified as essential, the OSHA heat rule that could reshape outdoor work, and a Capitol Day tradition where plants are the only agricultural commodity that isn’t eaten by sundown. Lanie’s advice for anyone headed to meet a legislator: bring a true story — preferably your own. The episode also digs into the challenges growers face right now: succession planning for family operations, the two-spot cotton leafhopper and its quarantine implications, H-2A and H-2B labor programs, and the ever-shifting Waters of the U.S. definition. Lanie’s three-to-five-year vision for GGIA centers on a united industry voice and growing the next generation through programs like the Junior Certified Plant Professional. Listen Time: 50:15 Follow Along with this Episode’s Transcript In This Episode Guest Lanie Riner — Executive Director, Georgia Green Industry Association (GGIA); Owner, Thunderwood Farms. UGA horticulture graduate who started as a pharmacy student, found her way to Miller Plant Sciences, and built a career spanning greenhouse production and statewide industry advocacy. She personally testified before OSHA on the proposed heat rule and led the effort to secure essential-industry status for Georgia’s green industry during the 2020 shutdown. Main Topics Lanie’s path from farm kid to GGIA Executive Director (00:42) Favorite plants: Asclepias and Baptisia (03:27) GGIA overview: history, six divisions, and mission since 1990 (04:49) How Lanie’s zoning battle in Meriwether County led her to GGIA (07:40) Key programs: Southeast Green Conference, Wintergreen on the Road, scholarships (10:21) Southeast Green moving back to Athens (12:16) COVID-era advocacy: getting the green industry deemed essential (14:06) Freedom to Farm legislation and the “changing conditions” clause (16:01) Environmental benefits of the green industry — “We put nature back in place” (18:14) Emerging pests: two-spot cotton leafhopper and compliance agreements (21:05) OSHA heat rule: testimony, UGA Extension partnership, and ongoing process (23:04) The art of advocacy: storytelling over statistics (25:11) GGIA Capitol Day and relationship-building with legislators (28:12) Communication: e-blasts, direct outreach, and Hurricane Helene response (30:34) Industry challenges: succession planning, regulation, labor, and water (35:15) University and Extension partnerships — “unbiased scientific support” (39:23) Vision for GGIA: united voice, next-generation development (41:23) Junior Certified Plant Professional program and FFA partnerships (43:55) How to get involved with GGIA (46:43) Key Highlights GGIA formed in 1990 from two predecessor organizations — the Georgia Nursery Men’s Association (dating to the 1930s) and the Georgia Association of Landscape Professionals (1970s–80s) Lanie started as Executive Director in June 2020 and immediately partnered with Chairman Jeremy Oxford to secure essential-industry designation for horticulture during the shutdown The Freedom to Farm legislation removed a “changing conditions” clause that threatened growers who had been farming in the same location for 30–50+ years as urban development grew around them GGIA recently partnered with the Georgia Agribusiness Council for state-level lobbying, freeing Lanie to focus on federal issues like the OSHA heat rule and emerging pest regulations The Junior Certified Plant Professional program in Fort Valley has been running since 1991 Key Quotes “In our society, throughout every society, we learn through storytelling. … When you go to talk to a legislator or a regulator, whatever the point is that you are trying to make, it needs to be a true story. That’s the first thing. And it needs to — it’s even better if it’s your story.” — Lanie Riner (25:59) “We put nature back in place. But it’s exactly what we do. Our industry is where people and nature intersect.” — Lanie Riner (19:03) “Yours is the only industry that it is not eaten up at the end of the day.” — Chairman Robert Dickey, as recounted by Lanie Riner (29:04), on why GGIA Capitol Day stands out among agricultural commodities “We could not advocate for our industry at all without our university partners and extension. Extension provides that unbiased scientific support. It’s not an opinion.” — Lanie Riner (39:44) “We are stronger when we work together.” — Lanie Riner (43:27) Educational Highlights 501(c)(6) trade association: GGIA’s tax-exempt classification as a business league organized to promote common business interests for its members — distinct from a 501(c)(3) charitable organization GGIA’s six divisions: wholesale growers, retail, greenhouse growers, landscape contractors, irrigation, allied products and sales, plus floriculture Freedom to Farm: Georgia legislation that strengthened protections for farms operating in areas where urban development has encroached, removing a “changing conditions” clause that had been in place since the 1980s Two-spot cotton leafhopper: An emerging pest originally found on okra (a Malvaceae family crop) in Georgia, with host range extending to hibiscus, tomatoes, peppers, and other solanaceous crops — carrying quarantine implications for plant movement OSHA heat rule: A federal rulemaking process begun in 2021 that, as originally proposed, would impose workplace heat regulations that Lanie described as unworkable for outdoor agricultural operations H-2A and H-2B programs: Federal temporary agricultural worker (H-2A) and temporary non-agricultural worker (H-2B) visa programs that Georgia’s green industry relies on for labor WOTUS (Waters of the U.S.): A federal regulatory definition under the Clean Water Act that has been contested and revised repeatedly since 2008, with direct implications for growers’ water access and land use Georgia Certified Plant Professional: Originally a GGIA program, now transitioned to UGA for state recognition; GGIA maintains the Junior Certified Plant Professional certification for students Georgia’s annual rainfall: Approximately 50 inches per year — substantial, but punctuated by periods of drought that can threaten growers, as in the 2007 Atlanta water restrictions Resources & Links GGIA Website: ggia.org Southeast Green Conference: southeastgreen.org Blooms and Beyond: bandbpod.com About Blooms and Beyond Blooms and Beyond explores plant history, culture, and management through the lens of science. Whether you’re a commercial grower seeking practical solutions, a student exploring careers in horticulture, or simply someone who loves plants and their stories, there’s something here for you. Hosted by Dr. Ping Yu of the University of Georgia, each episode features interviews with experts who share enchanting stories, cutting-edge research, and practical wisdom from the world of horticulture. Your benefit: After each episode, commercial growers will have at least one useful tip for their operation, and plant enthusiasts will have an interesting fact to share. That’s how we spread plant power to more people and make our environment a little better. Credits Host: Dr. Ping Yu Guest: Lanie Riner, Executive Director, Georgia Green Industry Association; Owner, Thunderwood Farms Producer: Rich Braman Episode Release Date: Sunday, May 31st, 2026 Episode Length: 50:15 “Till next time, stay healthy and go plants!” 🌱

    Georgia's Green Industry and the Power of Advocacy with Lanie Riner
  2. Episode 2

    It's Not Garden Therapy: The Real Science of Plants and People with Sheri Dorn

    It’s Not Garden Therapy: The Real Science of Plants and People Ping calls it “garden therapy.” Dr. Sheri Dorn gently corrects her — and that correction opens up a whole world. Episode Description Ping sits down with her colleague and friend Dr. Sheri Dorn, who took on a new role at the University of Georgia in August as assistant professor of socio-horticulture and horticultural therapy. Within the first two minutes, Sheri lovingly catches Ping using the loose term “garden therapy” — and that small correction becomes the thread that runs through the whole conversation. There’s a real difference between horticultural therapy (a clinical setting with a therapist, a client, and a goal), therapeutic horticulture (the benefits of a group gardening session), and socio-horticulture (the big bucket that holds every economic, environmental, social, and health benefit plants give us). Sorting those terms out turns out to be the difference between a feel-good hobby and a documented science. From there the conversation ranges across Sheri’s path into the field — a childhood spent in an enormous inherited family vegetable garden, her mentorship under People-Plant Council pioneer Dr. Diane Relf at Virginia Tech, and the “plant magic” she first watched happen in community gardens. She walks through the research that explains why gardening lowers cortisol and blood pressure, why how often you garden matters as much as that you do it at all, and the landmark 1980s hospital-window study that showed surgery patients recovered faster when they could see a garden instead of a brick wall. If you’re a grower, there’s a marketing message here you can take to the bank. If you’re a plant enthusiast, there’s a clear, encouraging on-ramp: try a basil cutting, sow some lettuce, call your county Extension office, and build from there. And if you’ve ever joked that gardening is cheaper than a therapist, Sheri has thoughts about that very expensive tomato. Listen Time: 48:38 Follow Along with this Episode’s Transcript In This Episode Guest Dr. Sheri Dorn — Assistant Professor of Socio-Horticulture and Horticultural Therapy, UGA Department of Horticulture & State Botanical Garden of Georgia. Formerly the State of Georgia Master Gardener coordinator. Bachelor’s and master’s in horticulture from Virginia Tech (working under Dr. Diane Relf and the People-Plant Council), PhD from the University of Georgia. She is building UGA’s new horticultural therapy certificate program. Main Topics Meet Dr. Sheri Dorn and her new role (00:51) From a family vegetable garden to Virginia Tech (04:19) Learning from a pioneer: Dr. Diane Relf and the People-Plant Council (06:02) The “plant magic” of community gardens (08:02) Defining the terms: therapy, therapeutic horticulture, socio-horticulture (09:45) Why gardening makes us feel good — cortisol, blood pressure, memory (12:03) The biggest misconception: not all gardening is therapy (15:17) How often you garden matters (17:48) The hospital window: Roger Ulrich’s landmark study (20:19) The economic value of plants and landscapes (22:41) Choosing plants around the client’s goals (25:03) A marketing message for the green industry (28:12) Post-pandemic trends in horticultural therapy (30:44) What an effective program looks like + training and certification (34:51) Getting started: simple activities for beginners (38:36) Sheri’s vision for the program (44:15) Key Highlights Three terms, one correction. Horticultural therapy is clinical — therapist, client, goal, with horticulture as the pathway. Therapeutic horticulture is the looser group setting. Socio-horticulture is the broad umbrella for every human benefit of plants. Most of what people call “garden therapy” actually lives in the socio-horticulture bucket. Frequency is the finding. Some of the most useful recent research shows the benefits of gardening track with how often you do it — like exercise. A one-off patio container won’t deliver the therapeutic payoff that a regular, recurring practice does. The hospital window. In a study from the early ’90s, gallbladder-surgery patients whose rooms overlooked a garden had shorter stays and needed fewer pain medications than patients facing a brick wall. Don’t forget the horticulturalist. Sheri’s recurring concern: as the medical community drives more horticultural-therapy research, the person who actually knows how to grow and troubleshoot the plants gets left off the team — and the work suffers for it. The on-ramp is low. Root a grocery-store basil sleeve in a glass of water, sow lettuce, plant a paper white narcissus, and call your county Extension office. Small successes build the confidence (and the habit) that the science says matters. Key Quotes “I like to say that my parents nearly killed my career in horticulture before it got started, because it was — honest to goodness, Ping — it was the family vegetable garden, and we had a huge one.” — Dr. Sheri Dorn (04:21) “Those people, nine times out of ten, would not speak to each other if they ran into each other in the grocery store… But they have bonded over growing the plants.” — Dr. Sheri Dorn, on community gardens (08:55) “I think the biggest misconception is that all gardening is therapy.” — Dr. Sheri Dorn (15:17) “It was very clear that the patients that viewed the garden had a shorter hospital stay, took fewer pain medications, and they were less obnoxious, essentially… They were better patients, Ping.” — Dr. Sheri Dorn, on the Ulrich study (21:11) “Don’t forget the people side of plants. We won’t have an industry if there aren’t people buying our plants.” — Dr. Sheri Dorn (30:19) Educational Highlights Horticultural therapy — A clinical practice built on three things: a therapist, a client, and a goal (to heal, strengthen, recover, learn skills, or make social connections), with gardening as the pathway to that goal. It draws on cognitive science, psychology, counseling, and physical and occupational medicine — but the practitioner’s first training is in plants. Therapeutic horticulture — A less formal, usually group setting where the gardening activity produces positive benefits without tracking individually prescribed goals. Socio-horticulture — The broad term for all human benefits of plants: economic, environmental, social, community, health, and wellbeing. Self-directed gardening that simply makes you feel good lives here, not in clinical “therapy.” Why the body responds — Gardening is associated with cortisol reduction and lower blood pressure. Scent from plants like rosemary, lavender, roses, and gardenia works through brain pathways tied to memory. Part of the relaxation comes from a shift out of the office’s intense, narrow focus into the gentler, fascinated attention the garden invites. Attention restoration & the Ulrich study — Roger Ulrich (a psychologist) analyzed hospital records of gallbladder-surgery patients; those who could see a landscaped garden recovered faster and used fewer pain medications than those facing a brick wall — early behavioral evidence for what plants do for us. The economic case — A landscape investment can return more at resale than a kitchen renovation; well-landscaped homes tend to sell faster and help establish a desirable “sense of place.” Sheri also notes the flip side: over-complex landscapes can overwhelm buyers, and rising desirability can push taxes up, so keep communities involved in the decisions. Choosing plants by goal, not by species — Plant choice follows the client’s goal: non-toxic options for clients who put things in their mouth; scent, flower, or color to spark memory (Sheri’s lifelong snapdragon association with her mother); textured leaves like oakleaf hydrangea or a prickly holly for sensory work; easily propagated plants for vocational/production goals. Certification — UGA is building a horticultural therapy certificate: at minimum 12 hours of horticultural therapy coursework layered onto a foundation in growing plants plus human-sciences training. It draws students and working professionals alike — horticulturalists, educators, nurses, occupational and physical therapists. Beginner propagation win — A grocery-store basil sleeve placed in a vase of water will root in under a week — you’ve propagated a plant. Paper white narcissus bulbs (nose up, basal plate down) bloom in about five to six weeks. Resources & Links Website: bandbpod.com Dr. Sheri Dorn — reachable through the UGA Department of Horticulture; a dedicated horticultural therapy program website is in development. Contact information is available on the department webpage. People-Plant Council — the national group founded by Dr. Diane Relf (Virginia Tech) in the early 1990s. UGA horticultural therapy certificate program — in development at the University of Georgia. Your county Extension office — every county in Georgia has one; staff and Master Gardener volunteers offer research-based, unbiased horticulture guidance and publications. State Botanical Garden of Georgia — partner in Dr. Dorn’s appointment, with a conservation and native-plant focus. About Blooms and Beyond Blooms and Beyond explores plant history, culture, and management through the lens of science. Whether you’re a commercial grower seeking practical solutions, a student exploring careers in horticulture, or simply someone who loves plants and their stories, there’s something here for you. Hosted by Dr. Ping Yu of the University of Georgia, each episode features interviews with experts who share enchanting stories, cutting-edge research, and practical wisdom from the world of horticulture. Your benefit: After each episode, commercial growers will have at least one useful tip for their operation, and plant enthusiasts will have an interesting fact to share. That

    It's Not Garden Therapy: The Real Science of Plants and People with Sheri Dorn
  3. Episode 3

    The Dream Team Behind Cultivate

    The Dream Team Behind Cultivate How three women build the education that powers the green industry’s biggest event Episode Description Every July, thousands of growers, retailers, and plant lovers flood Columbus, Ohio for Cultivate — and behind roughly 160 education sessions packed into four days is a team of three. In this episode, Ping sits down with the AmericanHort education team: Meagan Nace, Rachel Rawls, and Alejandra Feliciano, Ph.D. They pull back the curtain on what it takes to plan the industry’s largest event, from the 400 to 500 session proposals they sift through each year to the speakers they lock in more than twelve months ahead. But Cultivate is only the headline. The conversation moves into the education that runs all year long — Mastery Series deep dives, grower certifications, a brand-new badging program, the Grow Forward series for personal and professional growth, and live Spanish interpretation that opens every webinar to a broader audience. Alejandra explains why mirroring English programming in Spanish matters, and why having Hispanic researchers serve a Hispanic audience changes who gets reached. For researchers and extension professionals wondering how to get involved, the team has a one-word answer: reach out. They share exactly what makes a session proposal stand out, why the practical “golden nugget” beats theory every time, and what keeps them coming back to the work. And yes — before the conversation ends, everyone names their favorite plant of the day. Listen Time: 55:40 In This Episode Guests Meagan Nace — Senior Education Program Manager, AmericanHort. Oversees the education team and all AmericanHort programming, from certifications to Cultivate to fall conferences. Background in agricultural education and new product development at Scotts Miracle-Gro. Rachel Rawls — Education Program Manager, AmericanHort. Focuses on events-based education and builds the Cultivate program — topics, speakers, and session formats. UGA horticulture and ag/environmental education graduate; former UGA and Purdue Extension agent. Passionate about grower-based education. Alejandra Feliciano, Ph.D. — Spanish Curriculum Development Manager, AmericanHort. Leads Spanish-language programming and helps lead the HortCred digital badge program. Grew up in Puerto Rico; master’s from Iowa State, Ph.D. from Washington State; former landscape designer and community college instructor. Main Topics Meeting the dream team and three paths into horticulture (00:52) Why horticulture is bigger than plant production (06:16) How Cultivate planning works — and why it never stops (08:09) Inside the proposal bank: ~160 sessions, 400–500 proposals (11:07) A detour on team strengths and the Six Working Genius (14:26) What makes the cut: applicable over trendy (17:28) The five core industry segments (21:56) Mirroring English programming in Spanish (24:41) Education that never stops: Mastery Series, certifications, badging (26:33) On-demand sessions and the Grow Forward series (30:14) A partner to research and extension — how to get involved (36:32) Sessions that stick, and everyone’s favorite plant (43:18) Where to find AmericanHort (52:13) Key Highlights AmericanHort runs roughly 160 education sessions across four days at Cultivate, selected from 400 to 500 proposals received each year — with some speakers locked in more than a year in advance. The team’s filter for what makes the cut: not whether a topic is trending, but whether attendees can take it home and use it next week. Education runs year-round, not just at Cultivate — Mastery Series deep dives, grower certifications (Technician level and Section Grower), a new micro-credentialing/badging program, and the Grow Forward series for personal and professional development. Spanish programming aims to mirror what’s offered in English, including live Spanish interpretation on webinars and badges available in Spanish. AmericanHort positions itself as a partner to extension and researchers, helping practical research reach frontline workers directly — and amplifying Hispanic researchers serving a Hispanic audience. Key Quotes “I’m not sure that planning for Cultivate ever stops. We’re already looking at 2027.” — Meagan Nace (08:48) “If it’s trending but it doesn’t change any decision-making or outcomes, it’s probably not gonna make the cut for education.” — Rachel Rawls (20:56) “We have a complete ecosystem of educational products that meets our industry and individuals where they’re at in their career and in their stage of life.” — Meagan Nace (29:44) “The number one word that resonates in my mind is we’re a partner to Extension and researchers, because we fulfill that outreach goal.” — Alejandra Feliciano (40:58) “They really are the secret sauce behind education at Cultivate, and everything at Cultivate.” — Meagan Nace, on the volunteer community connectors (35:42) Educational Highlights Cultivate is one of the largest green-industry events in the United States, held annually in Columbus, Ohio. AmericanHort’s education team programs around 160 sessions across four days — roughly 11 running at the same time in any given slot. Five core industry segments anchor the programming: greenhouse, nursery, garden retail, and interior landscape, with careers spanning everyone from owner-CEOs to the people physically growing in the greenhouses. Mastery Series are deep-dive programs — think master class — that give people the basic principles and useful information without committing to a full college course. Certifications and micro-credentials: AmericanHort offers grower certification at the Technician and Section Grower levels. Because certification takes time, the new badging program offers a quicker, trackable “happy medium” for teams that need technical knowledge fast. Grow Forward, launched in 2024 by the Generation Next Community Connectors, focuses on personal and professional “softer skills”; six sessions run virtually throughout the year. HRI (Horticultural Research Institute) is the research arm of AmericanHort, led by Jen Gray, Roni, and Michael. At Cultivate, the Thrive Stage spotlights HRI-funded researchers sharing their work and its industry impact. The practical “golden nugget”: when proposing a Cultivate session, researchers should frame their work around the problem it solves and what a grower could do differently in their operation next week. Plant spotlight (favorites of the day): oakleaf hydrangea (Rachel), witch hazel — Hamamelis — blooming and insect-pollinated in the Pacific Northwest (Alejandra), and peony, plus Edgeworthia paper bush prized for its scent (Meagan). Resources & Links Website: bandbpod.com AmericanHort: americanhort.org Cultivate: cultivateevent.org AmericanHort online learning center (search for Spanish-language content) Follow AmericanHort on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, and X About Blooms and Beyond Blooms and Beyond explores plant history, culture, and management through the lens of science. Whether you’re a commercial grower seeking practical solutions, a student exploring careers in horticulture, or simply someone who loves plants and their stories, there’s something here for you. Hosted by Dr. Ping Yu of the University of Georgia, each episode features interviews with experts who share enchanting stories, cutting-edge research, and practical wisdom from the world of horticulture. Your benefit: After each episode, commercial growers will have at least one useful tip for their operation, and plant enthusiasts will have an interesting fact to share. That’s how we spread plant power to more people and make our environment a little better. Credits Host: Dr. Ping Yu Producer: Rich Braman Guests: Meagan Nace, Senior Education Program Manager, AmericanHort; Rachel Rawls, Education Program Manager, AmericanHort; Alejandra Feliciano, Ph.D., Spanish Curriculum Development Manager, AmericanHort Episode Release Date: June 14, 2026 Episode Length: 55:40 “Till next time, stay healthy and go plants!” 🌱

    The Dream Team Behind Cultivate
  4. Episode 4

    Drones Take Flight in the Nursery: How Two Disciplines Built Something Neither Could Alone (Part 1)

    Episode Description Sometimes the most interesting plant science doesn’t come from a plant person at all. In this special two-part episode, Ping sits down with two collaborators who’ve spent fifteen years figuring out how drones can work in nursery and greenhouse production — Dr. Jim Robbins, a retired University of Arkansas extension specialist who’s loved plants since he was fifteen, and Dr. Joe Maja, an engineer who freely admits he wasn’t a plant person before the two of them met. Their accidental partnership, sparked by a 2009 question about counting plants in a field nursery, is the thread that runs through the whole conversation. Part 1 is the grower’s field guide. What actually counts as a “drone,” and why does 55 pounds matter so much? Which license do you need — Part 107, Part 137, or both — and who regulates what? What are the five things a nursery can realistically do with a drone right now, from five-hundred-dollar marketing cameras to RFID inventory readers Joe is shrinking small enough to fly? And the question Ping keeps circling back to: does any of this actually pencil out, or should you just hire someone to fly for you? Whether you’re a commercial grower weighing your first purchase, a student curious about precision ag, or a plant lover who likes a good origin story, this one rewards a full listen. Part 2 takes the conversation deeper into the RFID inventory work itself. Listen Time: 66:20 Follow Along with the Transcript In This Episode Guests Dr. James “Jim” Robbins — Extension Specialist and Professor in commercial ornamental horticulture (retired), University of Arkansas Division of Agriculture. Twenty-three years supporting green-industry businesses in nursery production and woody plant evaluation; the past fifteen spent deep in drone work. Dr. Joe Maja — Director, Center for Applied AI for Sustainable Agriculture, South Carolina State University. Engineer specializing in robotics, unmanned aerial systems, remote sensing, and applying AI to agriculture. Main Topics Welcome and introductions (00:00) Jim’s journey from a Wisconsin nursery to drone pioneer — and a serendipitous 2009 collaboration (03:01) The 2009 inventory question that started fifteen years of work (04:45) Why interdisciplinary collaboration matters in modern agriculture (10:38) Introducing UAVs: the 55-pound line, multi-rotor vs. fixed-wing (15:24) Licensing: Part 107, Part 137, and who regulates what (21:15) A field guide to drone types and sensors (25:34) The five drone applications — and where nurseries use them most (28:39) The most-adopted application: simple images and video (34:36) Greenhouse vs. nursery, and the case for a practice drone (36:08) Putting a system together: equipment, payloads, and bundles (40:04) From image to answer: software, services, and the economics (43:43) A fact sheet on three ownership scenarios (49:09) Liquid to granular: spray drones, fire-ant bait, and smart flight software (53:36) The ornamental challenge: diversity, variability, and a software-smart future (60:16) Closing (65:26) Key Highlights An origin story worth keeping. A field nursery in the Pacific Northwest asked Jim in 2009 whether inventory could be automated. That single question — and his surprise that manual counting was still the norm — led him back to Arkansas, to engineer Joe Maja, and to fifteen years of collaboration. The 55-pound rule. When a drone plus its payload lifts off at under 55 pounds, the FAA calls it “small,” and licensing is very achievable. Cross that line — which spray drones do quickly — and you’re in a more involved regulatory category. Five applications, ranked by realism. Marketing/sales imagery, asset tracking, plant inventory (RFID), aerial application (spray and spread), and crop monitoring. The two “low-hanging fruit” — still images and video — are affordable enough that Jim thinks every operation should own a small drone. The economics is the real question. Jim and Joe co-wrote an extension fact sheet with an agricultural economist laying out three ownership scenarios — do it all yourself, a hybrid, or hire it out entirely — across a five-year return. The ornamental handicap. Row-crop monoculture is far easier to automate than a nursery growing 300–600 different crops, each with its own spectral signature. Joe’s bet for the next decade: smarter software and AI, not new hardware. Key Quotes “The choice shouldn’t be driven by the platform itself. It should be driven by the application. Whether it’s imaging, monitoring, or spraying, the key question is: what problems are you trying to solve?” — Dr. Joe Maja “Think of your driver’s license — just a regular driver’s license. But if you wanted to be a certified CDL, it’s a much more expensive and involved process. And the same is true once we jump above 55 pounds.” — Dr. Jim Robbins “The outdoor environment is very rough on engineered solutions.” — Dr. Jim Robbins “I wasn’t a plant person before working with James, and my training was purely in engineering, so I approached everything from a systems and problem-solving perspective.” — Dr. Joe Maja “I think the future solution is less about different hardware and more about smarter software.” — Dr. Joe Maja Educational Highlights UAV vs. UAS. Both terms describe the same family of aircraft. If the payload is a sprayer or a sensor, you might call the whole thing an unmanned aerial system; if you’re just flying the aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicle. Multi-rotor vs. fixed-wing. Multi-rotor drones (quadcopters, hexacopters) hover and maneuver precisely — ideal for the tighter, more variable space of a nursery. Fixed-wing platforms fly like airplanes, covering large areas efficiently but needing more room and offering less control in confined spaces. Part 107 vs. Part 137. Part 107 certifies you as a commercial drone pilot — achievable even without an aviation background, with the exam covering airspace classification, weather, and operational safety. Part 137 is the additional, more paperwork-heavy certification required to apply pesticides or agricultural chemicals from the air, often involving state agencies too. Who regulates what. Anything to do with flying an aircraft in the national airspace is the sole responsibility of the FAA. The moment you apply a chemical, a state agency — for example, Arkansas’s agriculture department, pest control division — may enter the picture. The sensor toolbox. Drone imaging can use standard RGB cameras, multispectral sensors, thermal sensors, hyperspectral cameras, and even LiDAR, depending on the detail needed. Remote sensing can flag water stress, heat stress, weed infestations, or chemical damage before the human eye catches them. Why bundles matter. A sensor needs its own power source, a trigger linked to the remote control, and a way to store and transfer data in flight. Pre-integrated bundles solve that electronic configuration so growers can focus on choosing the right setup rather than building from scratch. The liquid-to-granular swap. Newer spray drones let you pull out the liquid tank and drop in an interchangeable granular tank with a cyclone spreader — a standardized mechanical and electrical interface that makes fire-ant bait application especially efficient, since bait doesn’t need overlapping passes and packs low bulk density. Spectral signatures and “taxa.” Each plant species reflects light differently based on leaf structure, pigmentation, and canopy architecture, so a model tuned for one taxa may fail on another — the core reason ornamental automation lags behind monoculture row crops. Resources & Links Website: bandbpod.com Extension fact sheet (the one Jim mentions): “Planning for Financial Risks Associated with Using sUAS in Agriculture” — University of Arkansas Cooperative Extension Service, FSA6153 (Robbins, Rainey, Maja, Shew, and Weems, 2020). Lays out the three ownership scenarios — buy everything, buy the aircraft/sensor but outsource image processing, or hire it all out — with a first-year cost table and a five-year projection, using a vegetation-index (NDVI) objective as the worked example: https://www.uaex.uada.edu/publications/pdf/FSA6153.pdf Companion fact sheet: “Drone Pilot Certification and Aircraft Registration” — University of Arkansas Cooperative Extension Service, FSA6150 (covers Part 107 and registration): https://www.uaex.uada.edu/publications/pdf/FSA-6150.pdf Plant-counting / plant-inventory software services — search “plant inventory software” for companies that process uploaded aerial images into plant counts FAA Part 107 (commercial drone pilot certification) and FAA Part 137 (agricultural aircraft operations) About Blooms and Beyond Blooms and Beyond explores plant history, culture, and management through the lens of science. Whether you’re a commercial grower seeking practical solutions, a student exploring careers in horticulture, or simply someone who loves plants and their stories, there’s something here for you. Hosted by Dr. Ping Yu of the University of Georgia, each episode features interviews with experts who share enchanting stories, cutting-edge research, and practical wisdom from the world of horticulture. Your benefit: After each episode, commercial growers will have at least one useful tip for their operation, and plant enthusiasts will have an interesting fact to share. That’s how we spread plant power to more people and make our environment a little better. Credits Host: Dr. Ping Yu Producer: Rich Braman Guests: Dr. James “Jim” Robbins, University of Arkansas Division of Agriculture (retired); Dr. Joe Maja, Center for Applied AI for Sustainable Agriculture, South Carolina State University Episode Release Date: June 21, 2026 Episode Length: 66:20 “Till next time, stay healthy and go plants!” 🌱

    Drones Take Flight in the Nursery: How Two Disciplines Built Something Neither Could Alone (Part 1)
  5. Episode 4 Bonus

    Drones Take Flight in the Nursery: RFID, Real-Time Inventory, and the Road Ahead (Part 2)

    Episode Description A tag you never have to look at. That’s the promise behind the RFID work Dr. Jim Robbins and Dr. Joe Maja have been chasing for the better part of two decades — a way to walk past a block of containers, or fly over it, and know exactly what’s there without picking up a single pot. In Part 2 of this special two-parter, Ping picks the conversation back up where it left off, this time digging into the applied research: how passive UHF tags work, what a drone-mounted reader can do that a barcode scanner can’t, and why the real payoff isn’t counting plants — it’s tracing them from propagation all the way to the checkout line. Joe walks through the practical side a grower actually cares about: traditional tags versus RFID, where to start (small, with a single block or a high-value crop), how to pick a vendor who understands that moisture and container materials change everything, and the honest math on cost. Jim fills in the origin story and the “lower step” version of the system for nurseries that aren’t ready to tag every plant. Along the way the two of them land on the lessons that only show up after twenty years in the field — that simple beats sophisticated, that reliability matters more than precision, and that the projects that actually work are the ones where engineers, horticulturists, and growers are all in the room. Then they look down the road: integrated systems where drones, RFID, robots, and AI finally talk to each other, a realistic adoption forecast, and a warm closing on why collaboration — the kind that built this whole project — is the thing worth betting on. Recorded with Joe joining live from Japan. Listen Time: 29:18 Follow Along with the Transcript In This Episode Guests Dr. James “Jim” Robbins — Extension Specialist and Professor (retired), University of Arkansas Division of Agriculture. Decades of nursery-production research and a long-running partnership with Joe on automating inventory. Dr. Joe Maja — Director, Center for Applied AI for Sustainable Agriculture, South Carolina State University. Engineer specializing in drones, RFID, dashboards, and the data pipelines that connect them. Joined this recording from Japan. Main Topics Welcome back and a recap of Part 1 (00:00) Inside the RFID inventory project: the full-system vision from canning to checkout (00:57) The technical side: passive UHF tags, read range, and the data pipeline (06:07) RFID vs. traditional tags — why switch, how to start, and what it costs (07:30) Twenty-plus years of lessons: what works and what can be improved (12:04) How grower interest has shifted, and the role of labor (14:58) Where growers can learn more (16:31) What’s next: integrated systems and an adoption forecast (19:11) Final thoughts, advice for students, and goodbyes (23:46) Key Highlights RFID’s core advantage over a barcode is that it doesn’t need line of sight — you can read tags in bulk, wirelessly, hundreds or thousands in seconds. The vision isn’t just a headcount. A tag applied at canning can follow a plant onto the truck (touchless inventory), to the garden center, and through checkout — even into a point-of-sale system. Not every nursery needs a drone. Jim describes a “lower step” version: tag a block, link it to the production database, and read it with a handheld gun from a truck window. After 20+ years, the durable lessons are about people and conditions, not gadgets: simple wins, reliability beats precision, and ag is a brutal environment for technology. Joe’s realistic forecast: roughly 50–70% adoption across the industry over the next 15–20 years, with simple imaging arriving first and integrated systems taking longer. Key Quotes “The advantage is that it doesn’t require line of, line of sight. And if we could attach the plant… And then just fly over the top and simply count these things, we thought this was brilliant.” — Jim Robbins (02:11) “Instead of scanning one plant at a time, you can scan hundreds or even thousands of plants in a matter of seconds.” — Joe Maja (09:15) “It’s not just about inventory, it’s about connecting the entire life cycle.” — Joe Maja (12:12) “We’ve also seen that reliability is often more important than precision. A system that works consistently, even if it’s not perfect, is more valuable than one that’s highly precise but unreliable.” — Joe Maja (13:48) “The interest has clearly shifted from ‘What is this?’ to ‘How do I use this?’ And that’s usually a strong sign that the technology is moving toward mainstream adoption.” — Joe Maja (16:16) “You guys set a great example of how collaboration works and how collaboration matters.” — Ping Yu (27:39) Educational Highlights RFID (Radio-Frequency Identification): A wireless way to read identifying tags without line of sight, in bulk. The opposite of a barcode, which must be physically seen and scanned one at a time. Passive UHF RFID tags: The type used in this project. “Passive” means the tag has no internal power source — it draws energy from the reader — which keeps it cost-effective and practical for large-scale deployment. UHF (ultra-high frequency) supports the read ranges useful in a nursery. Read range factors: How far a tag can be read depends on reader configuration, tag orientation, and environmental conditions — and on a drone, that directly shapes flight planning: altitude, speed, and coverage pattern. Touchless inventory: Reading tags as product moves — onto a truck, off at a garden center, out the door at checkout — so an accurate count happens automatically, much like cashier-less retail stores. Traceability: Following a plant’s full life cycle from propagation to retail. RFID provides the data foundation for supply-chain transparency and data-driven decisions. Dashboards / data pipeline: Reading tags is useless unless the data becomes usable. Tag reads flow to a backend system that processes and visualizes them, turning raw data into something a grower can act on. Part 107: The FAA certification framework for commercial small-drone operation — one of the things training programs and workshops help growers understand. Resources & Links Website: bandbpod.com Dr. Joe Maja’s work: Search his name with “South Carolina State University” or on Google Scholar to reach his university profile and research publications. A Center for Applied AI for Sustainable Agriculture website highlighting projects and outreach is in development. University extension programs: Land-grant institutions such as UGA, Clemson, and South Carolina State publish free, grower-focused fact sheets, guides, and case studies on drone applications. Training & events: University and private workshops, structured courses, and industry conferences and trade shows are good ways to understand regulations (e.g., Part 107) and see the technology in action. A peer-reviewed publication on RFID read range from the project was referenced — see Dr. Maja’s Google Scholar page. About Blooms and Beyond Blooms and Beyond explores plant history, culture, and management through the lens of science. Whether you’re a commercial grower seeking practical solutions, a student exploring careers in horticulture, or simply someone who loves plants and their stories, there’s something here for you. Hosted by Dr. Ping Yu of the University of Georgia, each episode features interviews with experts who share enchanting stories, cutting-edge research, and practical wisdom from the world of horticulture. Your benefit: After each episode, commercial growers will have at least one useful tip for their operation, and plant enthusiasts will have an interesting fact to share. That’s how we spread plant power to more people and make our environment a little better. Credits Host: Dr. Ping Yu Producer: Rich Braman Guests: Dr. James Robbins (University of Arkansas Division of Agriculture, retired); Dr. Joe Maja (Center for Applied AI for Sustainable Agriculture, South Carolina State University) Episode Release Date: June 28, 2026 Episode Length: 29:18 “Till next time, stay healthy and go plants!” 🌱

    Drones Take Flight in the Nursery: RFID, Real-Time Inventory, and the Road Ahead (Part 2)
  6. Episode 5

    From Cherry to Cup: The Science Behind Your Morning Coffee

    From Cherry to Cup: The Science Behind Your Morning Coffee Episode Description Most of us start the day with a cup of coffee and never think about the plant it came from. Dr. Leo Lombardini has thought about it for years. Head of the Horticulture Department at the University of Georgia and former director of the Borlaug Center for World Coffee at Texas A&M, Leo walks Ping through the whole journey: from a tiny white flower on a tropical shrub to the seed inside a coffee cherry to the roasted bean in your grinder. Along the way you will learn why only about three of the 133 species in the Coffea genus end up in your cup, what “shade-grown, mountain-grown” actually does to flavor, and how three different processing methods (natural, honey, and washed) change a coffee before it ever reaches a roaster. Leo also explains a fact that surprises most drinkers: caffeine content barely moves during roasting, so a dark roast is not a stronger jolt. By the end, Leo leaves every coffee drinker with a simple habit for the next trip to the store, and a reminder that behind every bag is a farmer who spent long days in the field. This one is for anyone who loves their morning ritual and wants to taste it a little differently tomorrow. Listen Time: 55:23 Follow Along with the Transcript In This Episode Guest Dr. Leo Lombardini has been Head of the Department of Horticulture at the University of Georgia since 2019. A native of Florence, Italy, Leo earned his PhD at Michigan State and spent years at Texas A&M, where he directed the Borlaug Center for World Coffee and studied pecan for roughly 15 years. His research spans coffee and pecan, and he co-led a USAID-funded project helping nine Central American countries fight coffee leaf rust. Main Topics Welcome to Blooms and Beyond (00:00) Meet Dr. Leo Lombardini: from Tuscany to horticulture (01:10) Pecan and the chestnut: a favorite species (05:24) How Leo got into coffee research (08:32) How studying coffee changed the way he drinks it (14:46) Where coffee comes from: species and geography (18:51) What coffee plants need to grow (23:58) Seeing a coffee plant in flower (27:51) From plant to cup: harvest and processing (29:10) The art of roasting (37:57) What every coffee drinker should remember (46:37) The future of UGA Horticulture (49:52) Where to learn more (53:00) Closing and credits (54:28) Key Highlights A childhood spent resurrecting an abandoned Tuscan vineyard and olive grove is where Leo’s love of plants began, long before video games gave kids anything else to do. Coffee leaf rust is the crop’s worst disease. A 2012–2013 outbreak in Central America was severe enough that economists linked the resulting job losses to a spike in migration to the United States, which is part of why USAID funded the response. Coffee grows commercially in only two U.S. states: Hawaii and a small amount of boutique production in California. Yet coffee supports more than two million American jobs. The coffee “bean” is actually a seed. Each coffee cherry holds two seeds facing each other, which is why a bean has one flat side and one curved side. Three processing methods (natural, honey, and washed) each leave a different chemical signature on the seed before roasting even begins. Caffeine is already in the green bean at about 1 to 1.5% of dry weight, and it survives roasting. Acidity, a prized quality trait, is what drops the longer beans stay in the roaster. Key Quotes “So most of the coffee we drink, certainly specialty coffee, comes from the Coffea arabica species, which is one of 133 species in the Coffea genus.” Dr. Leo Lombardini “According to statistics, there are over two million jobs in the United States that revolve around coffee.” Dr. Leo Lombardini “When you look at a coffee bean, one side is flat and one side is curved, because the two flat sides face each other.” Dr. Leo Lombardini “If the coffee is good, you literally don’t have to add any sugar or any creamer or milk or whatever. You just drink it straight, and that’s really how you can evaluate the quality of coffee.” Dr. Leo Lombardini “There’s so much work behind a cup of coffee, and so much sweat, and time spent in the field, just like for all horticulture crops. Never forget that behind anything we eat, there’s a farmer.” Dr. Leo Lombardini Educational Highlights The Coffea genus. There are 133 species of coffee, most of them native to Africa, and Madagascar alone holds 67 of them. Only about three are cultivated: Coffea arabica (roughly 65% of world consumption), Coffea canephora, known as Robusta (about 35%), and Coffea liberica (under 1%, mostly consumed locally). Arabica is prized because it is the mildest. Arabica vs. Robusta. Arabica came from the western highlands of Ethiopia, a cool, cloudy, high-altitude cloud forest, and it evolved as a shade plant under larger trees. That is why shade-grown, mountain-grown Arabica reaches the highest quality, with ideal temperatures around 70 to 80 degrees. Robusta comes from lowland equatorial Africa across a much larger range, so it tolerates heat and resists pests and diseases better thanks to a broader genetic pool. Many modern Arabica varieties carry a little Robusta ancestry from hybridization that added disease resistance. Coffee leaf rust. A fungal disease and the worst threat to the coffee crop. The 2012–2013 Central American outbreak combined climate, new fungal strains, and economic pressure into what Leo calls a “perfect storm.” The coffee cherry. The fruit resembles a cherry, but unlike a cherry it holds two seeds surrounded by a sugary, watery pulp. Because that pulp ferments and rots fast once the fruit is bruised at harvest, processing has to start immediately. Three ways to process. Natural: whole fruits dry in the sun on patios or raised beds for two to three weeks, and the pulp dries onto the seed, common where water is scarce, such as Yemen. Honey: a depulper removes the pulp, and the seeds dry with their sticky mucilage (a pectin, the same kind used for jams) still on. Washed: the pulp is removed and the seeds soak in water tanks for 24 to 48 hours, where natural yeasts ferment and break down the mucilage. After any method, seeds are dried to 10 to 12% moisture so they will not germinate or spoil. Green coffee. Beans are shipped unroasted in 60-kilogram bags. Green beans are hard, taste grassy, and smell nothing like coffee. Only roasting develops the familiar aroma and flavor. Roasting: time and temperature. Drum roasters work like a clothes dryer at about 400 degrees Fahrenheit, with each cycle running roughly 18 to 22 minutes. Roasters trade time against temperature to hit a target roast level. Caffeine (about 1 to 1.5% of the dry bean) is stable and does not change during roasting. Acidity, counterintuitively a marker of high quality in coffee, decreases the longer beans roast, so light-to-medium roasts let you taste a coffee’s best traits. Why caffeine is there at all. Caffeine is an alkaloid the plant produces as a natural deterrent against pests and diseases, packed most heavily into the seeds to protect the next generation. Reading the label. “100% Arabica” tells you something about quality. A bag that says only “100% coffee” means some Robusta is blended in. Resources & Links Website: bandbpod.com UGA Department of Horticulture: hort.caes.uga.edu (search “horticulture UGA” for faculty profiles and academic programs) Atlanta Botanical Garden: look for live coffee plants in the tropical greenhouse Specialty Coffee Association: industry conference and coffee education World Coffee Research: research partner on the Central American coffee leaf rust effort Norman Borlaug Institute for International Agriculture, Texas A&M University: home of the USAID-funded coffee project Leo co-led About Blooms and Beyond Blooms and Beyond explores plant history, culture, and management through the lens of science. Whether you’re a commercial grower seeking practical solutions, a student exploring careers in horticulture, or simply someone who loves plants and their stories, there’s something here for you. Hosted by Dr. Ping Yu of the University of Georgia, each episode features interviews with experts who share enchanting stories, cutting-edge research, and practical wisdom from the world of horticulture. Your benefit: After each episode, commercial growers will have at least one useful tip for their operation, and plant enthusiasts will have an interesting fact to share. That’s how we spread plant power to more people and make our environment a little better. Credits Host: Dr. Ping Yu Producer: Rich Braman Guest: Dr. Leo Lombardini, Head, UGA Department of Horticulture Episode Release Date: July 5, 2026 Episode Length: 55:23 “Till next time, stay healthy and go plants!” 🌱

    From Cherry to Cup: The Science Behind Your Morning Coffee
  7. Episode 6

    IPPS Southern Region: To Seek and to Share with Brie Arthur

    IPPS Southern Region: To Seek and to Share Episode Description In 1951, nurseries still grew plants in tin cans, and information on rooting hormones was hard to come by. The society that formed to close that gap, the International Plant Propagators Society, is now the International Plant Production Society, and its Southern Region leads every IPPS region in the world for membership. Dr. Ping Yu sits down with Brie Arthur, “Brie the Plant Lady,” International Delegate and Communications Director for IPPS Southern Region, to explain how a 75-year-old organization keeps drawing in the next generation. Brie has been part of IPPS for more than a decade, and she traces nearly every mentor in her career back to it: Fred Davies, David Creech, Tom Saunders, Tom Yeager. She walks through the region’s scholarships, including the Coach Vince Dooley Student Scholarship and the Margie Jenkins First-Time Conference Attendee Scholarship, and tells the story of the 2014 Early Career Exchange that sent her to Denmark. Ping adds her own memory of meeting Tom Yeager at the 2019 student competition and feeling, in her words, like she had met a celebrity. The conversation keeps returning to one idea: plants bring people together, but the people are the reason anyone gathers. Ping and Brie make the case for showing up in person, for the talk on the bus and the conversation at dinner that no webinar reproduces. Whether you grow plants for a living, teach horticulture, or picked it up in retirement, there is a seat for you. The next meeting is in Houston, October 2026. Listen Time: 48:07 Follow Along with the Transcript In This Episode Guest Brie Arthur (“Brie the Plant Lady”), International Delegate and Communications Director, IPPS Southern Region. A Purdue-trained horticulturist who was introduced to IPPS as an undergraduate, Brie now focuses on consumer horticulture and food gardening, translating technical nursery research for master gardeners and home growers. Host: Dr. Ping Yu, UGA Department of Horticulture, and a member of the IPPS Southern Region board. Main Topics Welcome and host introduction (0:00) Meet Brie the Plant Lady, and finding your people at IPPS (0:59) What IPPS is, and the “seek and share” mission (6:16) How the Southern Region rose to lead in membership (11:48) Scholarships and the Early Career Exchange (20:55) Why the meeting happens in person (28:46) Bridging academia and industry (32:41) The next decade for the Southern Region (39:36) Where to find Southern Region IPPS (43:47) Key Highlights IPPS runs seven regions worldwide, three of them in North America: Eastern, Western, and Southern. The Southern Region now leads all regions globally in membership. At the last meeting, 60 percent of attendees were under 40, and more than half were women. Brie contrasts that with earlier years, when the women at meetings were often sent on separate shopping tours instead of nursery visits. The region gave a record 20 scholarships this year and offered five Margie Jenkins scholarships to mark the fiftieth anniversary. Membership is $150 a year, and full attendance at the four-day annual meeting runs under $600 before travel and hotel. Southern Region membership sits at 262. Brie’s 2026 goal is to reach about 500, one member bringing in one member. Meetings rotate through the region: Orlando in 2025, Houston in 2026, Charlottesville in 2027, with the next international tour planned for 2030. Key Quotes Brie Arthur: “The mission of IPPS is to seek and share plant knowledge globally, and it is a global network of plant production professionals.” Brie Arthur: “Plants are what unite us, but it’s the time we spend together that is what truly matters.” Brie Arthur: “I was the recipient of the exchange program in 2014, and I went to Denmark, and it completely changed my life.” Dr. Ping Yu: “This organization has lifted me up, and now it’s time for me to pay it forward.” Brie Arthur: “The future is green.” Educational Highlights From Propagators to Production. IPPS kept its acronym but changed its name from the International Plant Propagators Society to the International Plant Production Society. The reason is structural: a modern nursery might specialize only in young plants, or only in growing those plants on to finish. “Production” covers the whole cycle rather than one step of it. Why 1951 mattered. When IPPS started, auxins and other natural plant hormones were just being discovered, and there was no easy way to share rooting techniques without a society and its published proceedings. The original purpose was to let academics get propagation information to a young, growing nursery profession. Propagation, plainly. A nursery produces plants from seed, cutting, or graft. Improved, well-bred genetics are often patented, which is part of why young-plant nurseries exist: they can manage the royalties before the plant moves down the production line. Substrates and particle size. Brie points listeners to the soilless substrate research of Dr. Jeb Fields (formerly LSU, now University of Florida) and Dr. Brian Jackson. Particle size governs how long a mix holds water and fertilizer. Stratified substrates layer different particle sizes for better performance, but they need multiple potting machines, so commercial adoption is slow. Home container gardeners can use the same idea without the machinery. Hot pots and sun scald. Dr. Jeremy Pickens gave a talk this year on how dark containers heat the root zone as summers get hotter. White containers keep roots cooler, which is why Brie tells home growers to use ornamental white pots for container tomatoes to reduce sun scald. Southern native trees and shrubs. Margie Jenkins built one of Louisiana’s most important nurseries specializing in southern natives, a category Brie says still needs more development. Resources & Links Website: bandbpod.com IPPS Southern Region: ipps.org, then Regions tab, then Southern North America Facebook: IPPS Southern Region Instagram: @IPPS_Southern_Region YouTube: IPPS Videos Newsletter: sign up from the Southern Region homepage Scholarships (all deadlines June 1): Coach Vince Dooley Student Scholarship (two- or four-year students; covers travel, lodging, full registration, plus $250 spending money); Margie Jenkins First-Time Conference Attendee Scholarship; Charles Student Research Competition (renamed to honor both Charlie Parkerson and Dr. Charles Gilliam of Auburn); Early Career Exchange Program; and the Vivian Munday scholarship, honoring one of Southern horticulture’s early female professors Membership: $150 per year; full annual meeting under $600, not including travel and hotel Next meeting: Houston, Texas, October 18–22, 2026 (local site chair Paul Winski) Looking ahead: Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2027; international tour in 2030 About Blooms and Beyond Blooms and Beyond explores plant history, culture, and management through the lens of science. Whether you’re a commercial grower seeking practical solutions, a student exploring careers in horticulture, or simply someone who loves plants and their stories, there’s something here for you. Hosted by Dr. Ping Yu of the University of Georgia, each episode features interviews with experts who share enchanting stories, cutting-edge research, and practical wisdom from the world of horticulture. Your benefit: After each episode, commercial growers will have at least one useful tip for their operation, and plant enthusiasts will have an interesting fact to share. That’s how we spread plant power to more people and make our environment a little better. Credits Host: Dr. Ping Yu Producer: Rich Braman Guest: Brie Arthur, International Delegate and Communications Director, IPPS Southern Region Episode Release Date: July 19, 2026 Episode Length: 48:07 “Till next time, stay healthy and go plants!” 🌱

    IPPS Southern Region: To Seek and to Share with Brie Arthur
  8. Episode 7

    The Beetle That Moved Into the Nursery: Managing Red-Headed Flea Beetles with Shimat Joseph

    The Beetle That Moved Into the Nursery: Managing Red-Headed Flea Beetles Episode Description Growers spent years assuming the red-headed flea beetle flew in from the field edge. Dr. Shimat Joseph went looking for it out there and found almost nothing. When his lab sampled the landscapes around Georgia container nurseries, the beetle simply was not present, and nobody was reporting it as a landscape problem either. The pest was already home. The well-drained pine bark container that growers built for their plants turns out to be the exact combination of drainage and moisture retention the larvae need, which means the nursery is not being invaded so much as hosting a permanent resident. Dr. Ping Yu walks Dr. Joseph through the whole animal in this episode. Why the name has three separate parts to it, red for the tinge on the forehead, flea for the powerful hind leg that lets it jump, beetle for the chewing mouthparts. What the damage actually looks like as adults rasp the tissue between the veins until the leaf shot-holes, skeletonizes, and drops. Why a plant that would be perfectly healthy in a garden is worthless in a nursery, because ornamental stock sells on looks. And how the whole cycle, egg to adult, can turn over in about a month at 80 to 85 degrees. What makes the conversation unusual is how often the answer is “we don’t know yet.” Sex ratio, eggs per female, how long adults live, how many times they mate: Dr. Joseph declines to guess on all of it, and explains why guessing would be worse than admitting the gap. There is still plenty here for growers to act on, including which products his trials screened as effective, why an April drench or granule application can protect a block for months, and why protecting one block just pushes the beetles onto the next one over. Listen Time: 42:17 Follow Along with the Prose Transcript In This Episode Guest Dr. Shimat Joseph, Associate Professor, Department of Entomology, University of Georgia (Griffin campus). Dr. Joseph works on insect problems in turf and ornamental systems, in nurseries and landscapes. He joined UGA in 2017, and red-headed flea beetle is the main focus of his nursery work. His lab publishes applied research and a blog for the turf and ornamental industries. Main Topics Welcome, and why this beetle earns top billing (00:00) Meet Dr. Shimat Joseph, and how the beetle became his focus (01:57) From a bachelor’s in agriculture to entomology (03:19) Red, flea, and beetle: the name explained in three parts (04:04) Shot holes, skeletonization, and why nursery stock becomes unsellable (05:30) Into the container: mating, eggs, larvae, and pupae (06:35) How to tell a beetle from other insects you might see (07:25) Polyphagous: over 50 host plant species across many families (10:35) Panicled hydrangea, weigela, forsythia, holly, and itea (11:55) Where are they really coming from? The landscape theory tested (13:05) The container is the habitat, not the entry point (13:39) Inside the life cycle: instars, molting, and about three larval stages (16:20) A complete change, like a monarch butterfly (18:05) Roots or leaves: which stage actually causes economic damage (20:28) Males, females, and the questions nobody has answered (22:36) How many eggs per female? An honest “we don’t know” (24:48) Four generations a year, and why they overlap (26:20) Scouting: visual checks, no trap, and first adults in early May (27:24) Management: what works right now (30:18) The products in the toolbox, and one still in the pipeline (31:22) The April drench and planning around a marketing window (33:06) What comes next in the research (34:05) Advice for a young grower: isolate what you bring in (36:41) Where to follow the work (39:33) Closing and credits (41:18) Key Highlights The industry assumption was backwards. The long-held view was that beetles flew in from surrounding landscape, fed on weeds along the field edges, and worked their way in. Dr. Joseph’s sampling found none in the landscapes at all, and no reports of the beetle as a landscape pest. His conclusion is that the major driver is the nursery itself. The container is a purpose-built habitat. Larvae need moisture but not standing water. Pine bark in a nursery container drains fast and still retains moisture, which is precisely the balance the beetle needs. Growers optimized their substrate for plant roots and accidentally optimized it for this pest too. Only one life stage costs money. Larvae feed on roots in the container, but Dr. Joseph’s team has found no evidence of economic root damage. Adults are the destructive stage, because ornamental crops are sold on appearance and shot-holed foliage does not sell. Timing cannot be modeled the usual way. Generations three and four overlap so heavily that they cannot be told apart, and different host plants speed up or slow down development. That rules out the growing degree day approach that works for many other pests. Protecting one block moves the problem. Spray a block of hydrangea and that block is protected, but the beetles get pushed onto neighboring plants they would not normally choose. Understanding that movement is an active research question in the lab right now. Key Quotes “And I think the containers in the nurseries are providing exactly that, and they just love it and they just stay there and continue their population.” Dr. Shimat Joseph, 15:22 “We can guess it, but I think the guessing may not be right here. So that’s why I’m not giving a number to it.” Dr. Shimat Joseph, 25:09 “But eventually what happens is that they’re, they’re– we are pushing them to other plants and, uh, where they normally won’t go.” Dr. Shimat Joseph, 34:43 “It is good enough that different growers can strategize that according to their marketing window.” Dr. Shimat Joseph, 33:41 “There’s a lot of going on behind the scene where the plant is growing, and they have all those interactions with the pest, and they have to combat the whole challenges to be able to come to your door.” Dr. Ping Yu, 38:46 Educational Highlights The Beetle Itself Systena frontalis is the scientific name for the red-headed flea beetle. It is not spoken in the episode, and is included here so listeners searching for the research have the right term. Chrysomelidae is the beetle family Dr. Joseph names in the episode, the leaf beetles. It is a large and varied group, and Japanese beetle belongs to it as well. Red-headed flea beetle is a leaf feeder within that family, and while it can feed on flowers, no flower damage has been observed in Dr. Joseph’s work. Three parts to one name. Red for the reddish tinge on the forehead. Flea for the enlarged hind leg that powers the jump. Beetle for the hardened forewings and the biting, chewing mouthparts. Chewing versus piercing mouthparts. Beetles crush and ingest leaf tissue with mandibles. Contrast that with a mosquito, whose mouthparts form a straw containing six needles, called stylets, used to inject saliva and digest tissue before drawing it up. That difference in mouthparts is what separates the damage signatures growers see in the field. Damage Vocabulary Shot hole describes the small perforations left after adults feed repeatedly on the same leaf area. Tissue is rasped away, the fed area sinks, disintegrates, and opens. Skeletonization is the end state. Adults feed on the tissue between the veins, and with enough feeding only the vein network remains before the leaf drops. Life Cycle Vocabulary Instar means a stage between molts. Insects grow inside a rigid exoskeleton and cannot expand gradually the way we do, so they shed and rebuild. Dr. Joseph’s team believes red-headed flea beetle passes through about three larval instars, though the number is not confirmed. Molting is that shedding process. Dr. Joseph corrects himself on air from “eclosion” to “molting,” a useful distinction: eclosion refers to emergence, typically from the egg or the pupa. Holometabolous describes complete metamorphosis, where the larva looks nothing like the adult and reorganizes entirely during a pupal resting stage. Monarch butterfly is the familiar example Dr. Joseph reaches for. Phenology is the study of the timing of biological events across a season, which is what Dr. Joseph’s graduate student is mapping for this pest. The numbers stated in the episode: eggs laid from the surface down to about 10 centimeters deep, roughly three weeks as larvae, a couple of weeks as pupae, about six days for a new adult to feed and mate, and about one month for the full egg-to-adult cycle at 80 to 85 degrees Fahrenheit. Cooler weather stretches all of it out. Endosymbionts are microorganisms living inside an insect, such as specific gut bacteria, that can skew the sex ratio of a population. Dr. Joseph raises them as a possible explanation for sex ratio questions his lab has not yet studied in this beetle. Management Vocabulary Foliar spray treats the leaf surface and targets adults. Drench applies product to the growing medium, and granules release it into the container over time. Drench and granule applications made early, around April, can leave residues that stop adults feeding for multiple months. Multi-pronged is Dr. Joseph’s own framing. A single foliar spray on a single crop will not solve this, because adults simply move to another block and complete a generation there. Products Named in the Episode Dr. Joseph names four chemistries. What follows is current label and registration context, verified after recording, so growers can act on it correctly. This is background, not a recommendation. The label is the law, and product registration, rates, sites, and restrictions must be confirmed for your state before any application. | Named on air | Active ingredient | Notes verified after recording | |—|—|—| | Neonicotinoid spray, drench, or granule | Class of chemistry, IRAC Group 4

    The Beetle That Moved Into the Nursery: Managing Red-Headed Flea Beetles with Shimat Joseph
  9. Episode 8

    When the Plants Start Talking to You: Breeding New Ornamentals with Dr. Ryan Contreras

    When the Plants Start Talking to You: Breeding New Ornamentals Gamma rays, seedless shrubs, and the unglamorous skill that still beats every fancy technique. Episode Description There is a cobalt source on the Oregon State campus, and Dr. Ryan Contreras uses it on plants. He describes the method with a shrug and a movie line: “The Forrest Gump, life is like a box of chocolates. We never know what we’re going to get. We’re just taking a shotgun and pointing it and blasting and then growing out populations of those looking for useful variation.” That is mutagenesis, one tool among many in a program that keeps germplasm or small projects on close to 50 genera. Ping asked Ryan for the whole toolkit, and he gives it: sexual recombination as the workhorse, crossing elite by elite to move fire blight resistance into a plant the industry already likes, ploidy manipulation to make seedless forms the way a triploid banana is seedless, chemical and radiation mutagenesis, targeted gene editing, and the tissue culture step that woody plants keep refusing to cooperate with. He explains why ornamental breeders rarely backcross, since woody plants suffer from inbreeding depression and many will not self-pollinate at all. Then he shows where the ideas actually come from: a Kolkwitzia he taught for years because it was climbing over a seven-foot privacy fence onto the sidewalk, a Philadelphus madrensis whose fragrance reached him from a hundred feet away at the Santa Cruz Arboretum, and growers in Oregon asking him to fix cherry laurel. Underneath the techniques runs an argument that will not go out of style, because it never went in. The technique Ryan relies on most is walking the plots and looking at plants, and he has thirteen years of lilac sequencing without a validated marker to show for the alternative. He is unusually candid about the misses too: a triploid Cotoneaster with pink flowers, good fall color, and total fire blight resistance that nobody wanted because it had no berries, and a flat admission that some of what he releases over a career will be duds. Growers, students, and anyone who has wondered how a new shrub gets to a garden center will find something to take home. Listen Time: 52:52 Follow Along with the Transcript In This Episode Guests Dr. Ryan Contreras, Professor, Department of Horticulture, Oregon State University. Ornamental and woody plant breeder, at OSU since December 2009. He earned his PhD with Dr. John Ruter at UGA (Tifton), his master’s with Dr. Tom Ranney at NC State, and his first taste of plant breeding as an undergraduate working with Denny Werner on Buddleja. Dr. Ping Yu, host, UGA Department of Horticulture. Main Topics Welcome and meet Dr. Ryan Contreras (0:00) Mentors, and the technicians who get left off the thank-you list (4:52) Chicken houses, ag ed, and the class that changed everything (7:06) The summer that ended the nursery dream (9:29) What plant breeding actually is (12:38) Ploidy, mutagenesis, and the cobalt source (15:50) Why ornamental breeders rarely backcross (18:27) Where breeding ideas come from (21:53) Grower problems: cherry laurel and maples (23:54) Trends, pain points, and brands (25:12) Borlaug’s advice: walk the plots (29:10) The watering analogy, and having an eye (32:28) Lilacs, where markers have not caught up (34:10) Reblooming, remontancy, and validation (35:43) When a grower changes your breeding goal (38:48) Time, money, and what gets bred (42:37) The Cotoneaster nobody wanted (45:21) Training the next generation of breeders (48:25) Where to follow the Contreras lab (50:16) Key Highlights The toolkit, plainly explained. Ryan starts from the idea that breeding is not a complicated science: create variation, then choose. Everything else is method. He walks through recombination, elite by elite crossing, ploidy manipulation for seedless forms, EMS and gamma mutagenesis, transgenics, and targeted editing, and he is honest about where woody plants stall. Corn, cotton, soy, and wheat have chromosome-level genome assemblies and known gene targets. Nursery crops mostly do not, and regeneration from undifferentiated callus is the bottleneck. Ideas arrive by accident as often as by plan. The Philadelphus breeding program at OSU exists because a fragrance carried a hundred feet across the Santa Cruz Arboretum and Ryan went to find its source. The Kolkwitzia project exists because the only teaching specimen he could reach was hanging over a fence, bulletproof and far too big. A grower said no, and the program changed. Ryan brought polyploid arborvitae that would not brown in winter to A&R Spada Farms and heard “I don’t care about that.” Customers call about winter browning, the nursery tells them to wait two months, the plants green up, and the calls stop. What the grower wanted instead was spruce spider mite resistance, which costs real money every season. Who the plants are for. His triploid Cotoneaster survived 4 degrees Fahrenheit unprotected in a container, resists fire blight, roots well, and has pink flowers and good fall color. It has no berries, so the market passed. He kept a few plants and took the lesson. Advice for students. Learn how the plants are grown before anything else. In his program nobody leaves without doing flow cytometry, looking at pollen under a microscope, sticking cuttings, and processing seed. His closing plug is for IPPS, where students meet growers and see operations. Key Quotes “You go to the field, and you go to the field some more, and when the wheat plants start to talk to you, you’ve made it.” Norman Borlaug, quoted by Ryan Contreras (29:36) “I would say, I think of it like at a lot of nurseries, the lowest paid person is the most important person, it’s the watering.” Ryan Contreras (32:55) “I’m not breeding plants for what I think I want. I’m breeding plants for what people who are in the industry, what they need and what they want.” Ryan Contreras (46:40) “There’s no shortage of nearly unattainable goals. We want a plant to get three feet in one year and then not grow anymore, require no fertilizer and flower 52 weeks a year.” Ryan Contreras (41:48) “So everything is gonna come back around and it takes me 17 years to release a cultivar.” Ryan Contreras (28:55) Educational Highlights Creating variation, then choosing. Ryan’s working definition of plant breeding: observe variation and select something better for the trait you care about. Sexual recombination, through a deliberate cross or collected seed, remains the most common and easiest way to get that variation. Elite by elite. Crossing two good parents does not mean two perfect parents. In Cotoneaster, Ryan takes a plant that grows well in production and has the shape the industry wants but lacks fire blight resistance, and crosses it with a resistant plant to bring the two together. Ploidy manipulation. Doubling or changing the number of chromosome sets. In Ryan’s program the most common reason is seedlessness: bananas are triploid, and triploidy renders them seedless. The same trick applied to nursery crops removes unwanted fruit and volunteer seedlings. Mutagenesis, targeted and not. Non-targeted mutagenesis uses chemicals such as ethyl methanesulfonate (EMS) or physical mutagens such as x-rays and gamma rays. OSU’s radiation center has fast neutrons and a cobalt source that gives off gamma radiation. Targeted editing is the newer path and depends on knowing which gene to aim at. The regeneration bottleneck. Gene editing and transgenics usually require regenerating a whole plant from undifferentiated callus tissue. Most woody ornamentals will not do it. New work on introducing CRISPR through non-tissue-culture-based methods would remove that step, which Ryan calls another huge leap forward. Backcrossing and inbreeding depression. A backcross means crossing a hybrid offspring back to one of its parents, as Ping defines it in the episode. Woody ornamentals are highly heterozygous and tend to suffer from inbreeding depression, and many will not self-pollinate. Hibiscus syriacus cultivars mostly self at very low rates, and the few seeds you get are weaker. Ryan’s workaround is what he calls a pseudo-backcross: existing Hibiscus syriacus by Hibiscus paramutabilis hybrids crossed back to H. syriacus for cold hardiness, improving on Tosca, Lohengrin, and Resi. Remontancy and reblooming. Repeat flowering reset customer expectations for whole genera: Encore azaleas, Endless Summer hydrangeas, Knock Out roses. Environment can fake it. ‘Palibin’ lilac has no reblooming genes, but shear it in early spring and it will flower in July, which Ryan saw in full bloom at Van Essen Nursery in late July. Telling a gene from a management effect is why field observations get validated with markers. Markers and QTLs, in perspective. Marker-assisted breeding has clear wins: nematode resistance in peanut, and the hazelnut program next door to Ryan that broke eastern filbert blight. His lilac work has been running since 2013 without a validated, effective marker, which is why he keeps asking whether a technique is getting him closer to a cultivar. Pest and disease terms from the episode. Shot hole disease and seediness in cherry laurel (Laurocerasus), western cherry fruit fly and the shipping restrictions it creates for Oregon growers, fire blight in Cotoneaster, spruce spider mite in arborvitae, and rhodoxanthin, the pigment behind that brown or purple cast on ‘Smaragd’ arborvitae in winter. Resources & Links Website: bandbpod.com The Contreras lab: horticulture.oregonstate.edu, under People IPPS, the International Plant Propagators’ Society, which Ryan recommends to students for meeting growers and seeing operations. Its motto, “to seek and share,” comes up in his sign-off ASHS and ISHS, both mentioned alongside IPPS as the societies students usually join first Oregon State University D

    When the Plants Start Talking to You: Breeding New Ornamentals with Dr. Ryan Contreras

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