Wake Her Soul Podcast

Camille Campins Adams + Shawna Brea Kalamatas

A space for women to peel back the layers of culture and conditioning so they can wake up to God’s truth, live their faith with courage, and walk boldly in their purpose. wakehersoul.substack.com

  1. 20h ago

    Season 3 // Episode 2: We Had Plans, But We Weren't Seeking God | Our College Years

    Wake Her Soul | Season 3, Episode 2 When David decided to attend the University of Virginia, I was convinced it was one of the worst decisions he could have made. Not because UVA wasn’t a wonderful school. But because it was so. incredibly. far. away. And apparently, my opinion wasn’t an important part of his decision-making process. 😂 If you listened to our first episode, you already heard a little about that infamous decision and how David committed to Virginia during his very first official visit. Well, this week we’re picking up right where we left off. And as it turns out, there was a little more to that decision than I realized at the time. David wasn’t just pursuing his dream of playing professional baseball. He was also looking for independence. A chance to get away from home, experience life on his own, and figure out what becoming a man looked like. Meanwhile, I was back in Miami, trying to figure out what our relationship was supposed to look like with hundreds of miles between us. Spoiler alert: I wasn’t handling it particularly well. We were both chasing something. But neither of us was asking God where He wanted us to go. When good intentions aren’t enough Looking back at our college years, there’s something that stands out to both of us. We weren’t bad kids. We were ambitious. Disciplined. Academically successful. Hardworking. David was chasing his baseball dreams at UVA. I was studying at the University of Miami, spending an unreasonable amount of time at the gym, and exploring what I thought it meant to be spiritually enlightened. And yet, for all the things we were doing right, we were missing something foundational. We were making decisions based on our own understanding of what was good, what was acceptable, and what would make us happy. But we weren’t seeking the Lord. David shares how his desire for independence influenced his college decision, while I reflect on my own struggles with jealousy, insecurity, and the New Age beliefs I was embracing at the time. We also talk candidly about temptation, the choices we made when we weren’t walking with Christ, and the year we decided to separate after dating throughout high school. That year took us both down paths we probably wouldn’t have chosen with the perspective we have today. But isn’t that so often how life works? We think we know what we want. We convince ourselves we know what’s best. And sometimes, we’re so busy chasing the next thing that we never stop to ask whether it’s where God is leading us. The problem with our pros-and-cons lists There’s a running joke in our marriage about David and his beloved pros-and-cons lists. Let’s just say I’ve held a grudge against those lists since 2005. 😂 And while I recognize there’s nothing inherently wrong with weighing your options (I still do it myself!), our conversation brings up a much more important question. What happens when we become so confident in our own reasoning that we forget to seek God’s wisdom? One of David’s favorite passages is Proverbs 3:5–6: “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.” (ESV) It’s a verse we’ve come back to again and again throughout our marriage. Because trusting God doesn’t mean abandoning wisdom or refusing to make decisions. It means recognizing that our understanding is limited. We can make all the lists. Research every option. Consider every possible outcome. But ultimately, we still need to invite God into the process. And that requires something we weren’t particularly good at in college. Surrender. When the thing you’re chasing starts chasing you Another part of this episode that really stayed with me was David’s reflection on his baseball career at Virginia. His sophomore year was arguably his best. He played freely, confidently, and without carrying the weight of everyone’s expectations. Then came his junior year. The MLB draft was approaching. Expectations were rising. And suddenly, the game that had once felt so natural became something he was overthinking. The pressure he’d placed on himself began affecting his performance. And instead of enjoying the opportunity in front of him, he found himself desperate to move on to the next chapter. It’s interesting how easily our ambitions can become burdens when our identity gets wrapped up in the outcome. And I wonder how many of us can relate. Maybe it isn’t baseball. Maybe it’s your career. Your marriage. Your children. Your finances. Your appearance. Or some version of success you’ve convinced yourself you need to achieve. When our peace depends on getting what we want, even good ambitions can become heavy burdens. That’s something we’re still learning to recognize today. Learning to hear God above the noise One of my favorite parts of this conversation is when we talk about learning to recognize God’s voice. I share an illustration from Jamie Winship’s Living Fearless about a police officer learning to recognize his call sign over a busy radio. At first, everything sounds like noise. But with time, practice, and familiarity, he begins recognizing the voice calling for him, even in the middle of chaos. Our relationship with God requires that same intentionality. We learn to discern His guidance by spending time in His Word, praying, and allowing Scripture to shape what we believe. And sometimes that means surrounding ourselves with people who love us enough to tell us the truth. Not just what we want to hear. David and I didn’t have that foundation when we were younger. But it’s one of the things we’re most grateful for today. Not because we always get it right. We don’t. But because we finally know where to turn when we don’t. What you’ll hear in this episode David and I talk about the decisions that shaped our college years, the challenges of maintaining a long-distance relationship, and the season when we went our separate ways. We also get into some of the harder conversations about temptation, jealousy, spiritual deception, personal ambition, and how easy it is to confuse success with fulfillment. And David shares something particularly vulnerable about the pressure he placed on himself as a college athlete, setting the stage for what we’ll explore in our next episode about his professional baseball career. These aren’t always easy conversations to have. But I think they’re important. Because we don’t share our testimony to make ourselves look good. We share it to point back to the God who has been faithful through every chapter, including the ones we’d rather forget. Before you listen... Can I leave you with a question? What are you pursuing right now that you haven’t fully surrendered to God? Maybe it’s something good. Something you’ve worked hard for. Something you genuinely believe is part of your calling. But have you invited Him into the decision? Have you spent time in His Word? Have you asked Him to examine your motives? Or have you already decided what you want and simply asked Him to bless it? That last one hits a little close to home, doesn’t it? I hope this episode reminds you that God isn’t asking you to have every answer. He’s asking you to trust Him enough to seek Him. Even when His direction challenges your plans. Even when obedience requires letting go. And even when the path ahead looks nothing like what you imagined. So grab your coffee and join us for another chapter of our story. With love, Camille A little something to reflect on Are you asking God to guide your decisions, or are you asking Him to bless the decisions you’ve already made? I’d love to hear what He’s been teaching you about trusting His direction. And if you haven’t listened to Episode 1 yet, I’d encourage you to start there. These conversations build on one another as we share the story of how God was working in our lives long before we fully recognized His hand. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wakehersoul.substack.com

    Season 3 // Episode 2: We Had Plans, But We Weren't Seeking God | Our College Years
  2. Oct 27

    Season 3 // Episode 1: We Met at 13: How God Was Writing Our Story Before We Knew Him

    Wake Her Soul | Season 3, Episode 1 If you had told 13-year-old me that the boy I met in eighth grade would one day become my husband, the father of our three children, and now a special guest on a podcast about following Jesus, I’m not sure I would have believed you. And yet, here we are. I’m so excited to welcome my husband, David, to this new season of Wake Her Soul. And with nearly 25 years of history together, we’ve got quite a bit of ground to cover! We’re starting at the very beginning. Braces, awkward teenage crushes, AOL Instant Messenger (yes, we’re that old), and a relationship that neither of us could have imagined would lead us here. But this conversation is about so much more than how we met. It’s about the God who was pursuing us long before we knew to pursue Him. Neither David nor I grew up with a deep understanding of what it meant to have a personal relationship with Jesus. We were raised in loving homes with good values and parents who wanted the best for us. But knowing about God and actually knowing Him are two very different things. And looking back, it’s incredible to recognize all the little ways He was making Himself known. David shares a story in this episode about being 12 years old and standing on the pitcher’s mound with his dad, when a stranger approached him and started talking about Jesus. Think about that for a moment. Baseball was the center of David’s world. And there, quite literally at the center of a baseball field, someone showed up to tell him about the One who should be at the center of everything. Years later, another seemingly ordinary decision would lead him to the University of Virginia. A decision I was not particularly happy about, by the way. 😂 He committed during his very first official visit, without so much as a conversation with his girlfriend of several years. Not that I’m still bringing it up or anything. But what we couldn’t see then was what God would begin unfolding through that decision. A Christian roommate. Invitations to church. Conversations about salvation. Bible studies. People who would plant seeds that wouldn’t bear fruit until years later. God was present in places we didn’t even know to look for Him. And here’s what makes this story especially meaningful to us today. Our oldest son is about to turn 13, the very age we were when we met. Talk about perspective. We’re now raising children who are approaching some of the same seasons of life we navigated without the biblical foundation we wish we’d had. And while David and I have so much to be grateful for, there are also decisions we made along the way that we would absolutely do differently today. We talk about some of those things in this episode, too. Not because we’re proud of every chapter, but because we believe there’s freedom in bringing our stories into the light and allowing God to use them for His glory. Our mistakes don’t have to become our children’s mistakes. And our past doesn’t have to remain a source of shame when we’ve surrendered it to Christ. That’s part of the beauty of redemption. The God who meets us where we are One of my favorite moments in this conversation is when David reflects on Psalm 139:13–16, reminding us that God knew us before we ever took our first breath. We didn’t know what was ahead of us at 13. We didn’t know how our relationship would unfold, what challenges we would face, or how dramatically our faith would eventually shape our marriage and family. We certainly didn’t know that one day we’d be sitting across from each other with microphones, sharing our testimony in hopes that someone else might recognize God’s hand in their own story. But God knew us then, just as He knows us now. And what I keep coming back to is this: God doesn’t wait for us to have everything figured out before He begins working in our lives. He meets us where we are. He plants seeds. He places people in our paths. He gives us opportunities to recognize Him, respond to Him, and follow Him. And sometimes, it takes years before we recognize just how faithful He’s been. What you’ll hear in this episode We talk about how we met as teenagers, our very different faith experiences growing up, the mistakes and decisions that shaped our early relationship, and why we’re now so intentional about raising our children to know God’s Word. You’ll also hear about the college decision that nearly broke my teenage heart, the people God placed in David’s life along the way, and the seeds of faith that would eventually change everything. And trust me, we’re only scratching the surface. There is so much more to this story, and we’ll be sharing it throughout this season. Before you listen... Maybe there are chapters of your story you wish you could rewrite. Decisions you regret. Relationships that didn’t unfold the way you hoped. Doors that closed when you were certain they were supposed to open. Or maybe you’re still in the middle of a season that doesn’t make much sense. I hope our conversation encourages you to look back with fresh eyes. Not to romanticize every decision or pretend that everything painful was God’s desire, but to recognize that His ability to redeem a story is greater than our ability to mess it up. I think about Joseph’s words in Genesis 50:20 and how God brought good out of what others intended for evil. What a beautiful reminder that even when we cannot understand what He’s doing, we can trust His character. So grab your coffee, join David and me, and let’s go back to where our story began. With love, Camille A little something to reflect on Where can you recognize God’s fingerprints in a chapter of your life when you didn’t yet know He was working? Maybe it was a person, an unexpected opportunity, a closed door, or a decision that changed the direction of your life. I’d love to hear about it in the comments. And if this episode encouraged you, consider sharing it with a friend who needs the reminder that God isn’t finished writing her story. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wakehersoul.substack.com

    Season 3 // Episode 1: We Met at 13: How God Was Writing Our Story Before We Knew Him
  3. Oct 20

    Between Seasons Week 4: Before You Ask What’s Next

    We’ve made it to the final week of Between Seasons. And I have to admit, there is something very fitting about where Season 2 ended. Because we started with Pressure. What happens when life squeezes us? What comes to the surface? What does pressure reveal about what is happening in our minds, our emotions, and our will? Then we moved into Purity. Once God reveals something, will we let Him refine it? Will we surrender the thing He puts His finger on—or simply become more self-aware while continuing to live exactly the same way? Then came Priorities. What actually has first place? Does the evidence of my life match what I say matters most? And finally, Season 2 moved into Pursuits. Which feels appropriate, because eventually all of this has to go somewhere. Eventually awakening becomes movement. Eventually surrender becomes obedience. Eventually we have to ask: What am I doing with the life God has given me? But I think there is an even more important question underneath that one. Before asking what’s next… Who am I following? We really like the question “What’s next?” I do, anyway. What’s next? What am I supposed to do? Where is this going? What is my calling? What should I build? Should I stay? Should I go? Should I start something? Stop something? Say yes? Say no? What is the plan? And preferably, God, could You give me the five-year version? Maybe ten. With milestones. And dates would be great. I say that somewhat jokingly. But not entirely. There is something comforting about knowing where we are going. We like clarity because clarity gives us the illusion that we can prepare for everything. If I know the destination, I can plan. If I know the timeline, I can manage expectations. If I know what is coming, I can decide whether I think I’m capable of handling it. But faith rarely seems to work that way. Over and over again in Scripture, God gives people enough light for the next step. Not always the next twenty. Abraham was told to go. The disciples were told to follow. Peter was told to step out of the boat. Mary said yes to something she could not possibly have understood the full implications of. Again and again, the invitation comes before the roadmap. And maybe that is because God is forming followers, not simply giving directions. What if the goal isn’t certainty? I think sometimes we approach God as though the primary goal of discernment is certainty. If I can just hear Him clearly enough, I will know exactly what to do and nothing will feel risky. But what if the deeper goal is trust? What if God is not always trying to make the future predictable? What if He is teaching us to recognize His voice well enough to follow even when the future isn’t? That changes the question. Instead of: God, tell me everything that is coming. Maybe it becomes: God, what is the next faithful thing? That is smaller. But I think sometimes it requires more faith. Because a five-year plan lets me imagine I am still in control. The next faithful step asks me to walk with Him. Calling is often less dramatic than we make it We talk a lot about calling. Finding your purpose. Living your purpose. Discovering what you were made to do. And I believe purpose matters. I believe God has prepared work for us to do. Ephesians 2:10 tells us that we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand. But I also wonder whether we have sometimes made “calling” so grand that we miss the faithfulness right in front of us. Maybe your calling today looks like showing up. Keeping your word. Loving your family well. Doing your work with integrity. Having the difficult conversation. Resting when God is telling you to stop. Serving someone who cannot do anything for you in return. Finishing something you started. Letting something go. Making the phone call. Writing the first page. Taking care of your body. Forgiving. Waiting. Maybe purpose isn’t always found in one giant revelation about what you are supposed to do with your entire life. Maybe it is built through thousands of ordinary yeses. And maybe those yeses are forming the woman who will be ready when a bigger one comes. Mary, Martha, and the thing in front of you The story of Mary and Martha has always been interesting to me because Martha is not doing something evil. She is serving. She is accomplishing. She is getting things done. Honestly, Martha is probably making sure everybody eats. And yet Jesus tells her she is worried and distracted by many things. Mary has chosen what is better. There is something about that word distracted that feels particularly relevant. Because pursuits are not only about obvious ambition. Sometimes our biggest problem is simply that we are pursuing too many things at once. Too many good things. Too many voices. Too many opportunities. Too many expectations. Too many versions of who we think we should become. And in trying to do all of them, we can lose sight of the One we were supposed to be following in the first place. Maybe pursuing God sometimes looks like doing less. Maybe purpose begins with presence. Numbering our days Psalm 90 says: “Teach us to number our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom.” There is something sobering and beautiful about remembering that our lives are finite. Not morbid. Clarifying. I do not get an unlimited number of days. Neither do you. Which means how I spend them matters. Not because I need to squeeze maximum productivity out of every twenty-four hours. But because this life is a stewardship. There are people I have been given to love. Work I have been given to do. Gifts I have been given to steward. Places where God has asked me to be faithful. And I do not want to spend so much time wondering about the theoretical future that I miss the life God is actually asking me to live today. That may be one of the biggest things I’m carrying out of Season 2. I don’t want to be so obsessed with what’s next that I miss what obedience looks like now. So let’s WAKE through Pursuits One final time. W — WONDER Look back over the season. Not just this past week. The whole thing. What has God shown you? What keeps surfacing? What have you noticed about the way you think? The way you react? What you cling to? What you prioritize? What you pursue? What keeps coming back around? Sometimes repetition is not coincidence. Sometimes God is patient enough to keep showing us the same thing until we are ready to see it. So wonder: God, what have You been trying to wake me up to? And maybe also: What desire have You placed in me that I have been afraid to acknowledge? What good work keeps tugging at me? What faithful step keeps coming to mind? What would I pursue differently if I trusted You more? A — ADMIT This one feels especially important at the end of a season. What can I no longer pretend I don’t see? Maybe I know something needs to change. Maybe I know I’ve been procrastinating on obedience. Maybe I know the thing I keep calling “waiting on God” is actually fear. Maybe I know a pursuit has become an idol. Maybe I know I have been chasing something because I wanted approval more than I wanted faithfulness. Maybe I know I am exhausted because I am pursuing things He never asked me to carry. Maybe I know what the next step is. I just don’t particularly like it. Admit it. No performance. No dramatic promise. Just truth. K — KNEEL Then surrender the future. Not your dreams. Not your hopes. Not your gifts. The need to control where all of them lead. Kneeling here sounds like: God, You can redirect me. You can interrupt my plan. You can close the door. You can open one I did not expect. You can change the timeline. You can redefine what success looks like. You can ask me to wait. You can ask me to move. You can ask me to finish something no one applauds. You can ask me to leave something I thought would define me. You can lead. And I will follow. That is a hard prayer. Especially when we have spent years constructing an idea of what our lives should look like. But if Jesus is Lord, He is not simply the One who helps us accomplish our plans. He is the One we follow. E — EMBODY And now we come to the final question. Not: What is my entire life … This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wakehersoul.substack.com

    Between Seasons Week 4: Before You Ask What’s Next
  4. Oct 13

    Between Seasons Week 3: What Has First Place?

    We’ve spent the last two weeks looking back at the first half of Season 2. Pressure asked what life was revealing in us. Purity asked what God was asking us to surrender. And then we moved into Priorities. This is where things get practical. Because most of us already know what we’re supposed to say matters most. God. Family. Faith. Calling. Relationships. Health. Purpose. The problem is that priorities are not really proven by what we say matters. They’re revealed by what consistently receives our life. Our time. Our attention. Our emotional energy. Our money. Our thoughts. Our yes. That is what makes this mini arc so useful to revisit. Because the question is not: What do I say is important? The question is: What does the way I’m currently living say is important? Priorities leave evidence You can learn a lot about your priorities by looking at what gets the first and best of you. What gets your first thoughts in the morning? What gets the best part of your energy? What receives the most emotional investment? What occupies your mind when no one is asking you to think about it? What consistently gets your money? What consistently gets your time? What gets your strongest reaction when it is threatened? That last one can be especially revealing. Because we often discover what matters most to us not only by what we pursue, but by what we panic over losing. And sometimes what we find is uncomfortable. We say God is first, but He gets whatever is left. We say our family matters, but our attention is always somewhere else. We say we want peace, but we feed anxiety all day long. We say we value rest, but we treat exhaustion like a badge of honor. We say we want to live on purpose, but we give our best energy to things that do not actually matter very much. And none of that means we are terrible people. It means life drifts. Priorities drift. Attention drifts. And every once in a while, we need to stop long enough to notice where everything has gone. The soul always follows something When Shawna and I built these mini arcs, we kept coming back to the movement of the soul. Mind. Emotions. Will. And I think Priorities made that progression especially clear. The mind asks: What occupies me? The heart asks: What am I emotionally attached to? The will asks: What repeatedly receives my yes? Those three questions together tell us a lot. Because something can take up very little time and still occupy enormous emotional space. Something can look harmless on a calendar and still have a grip on our heart. And something can matter deeply to us in theory while rarely receiving an actual yes. That gap is worth noticing. Not with shame. With honesty. First place is not always obvious Jesus says in Matthew 6 that where our treasure is, our heart will be there also. I think we often read that only in terms of money. But treasure is broader than that. Treasure is what we protect. What we prioritize. What we invest in. What we keep returning to. What we believe we cannot live without. And sometimes the things that move into first place are not bad things. That is what makes this tricky. Work can be good. Family can be good. Ministry can be good. Ambition can be good. Planning can be good. Serving can be good. Even productivity can be good. But a good thing in the wrong place can still disorder a life. The question is not only: Is this good? It is: Is this in its proper place? That distinction matters. Because God is not simply asking for a place somewhere in our priorities. He asks for first place. Not because He is insecure. Because everything else works better when it is ordered beneath Him. What does your life say? So here is a simple audit. Not theoretical. Actual. If someone looked at the last thirty days of your life, what would they conclude matters most to you? What gets your: First thoughts? Best energy? Most emotional investment? Most money? Most time? Strongest reaction when threatened? And then ask: Does the answer match what I say is most important? That question is not always fun. But it is clarifying. Because priorities are eventually visible. They show up. And if what we see does not match what we believe, that is not a reason to spiral. It is an invitation to reorder. Reordering is not punishment I think sometimes we hear the word “priorities” and immediately brace for a guilt trip. Do more. Wake up earlier. Be more disciplined. Stop wasting time. Get your life together. But that is not what I mean. Reordering is not punishment. It is stewardship. It is making sure the life God actually gave you is being spent on what He is actually asking you to care about. That may mean doing less. It may mean saying no. It may mean releasing something good because it is consuming too much. It may mean giving attention back to a relationship that has been living on leftovers. It may mean making space for quiet. It may mean changing the way your mornings begin. It may mean admitting that something has become more important than it should be. It may mean choosing faithfulness over efficiency. This is where Priorities stops being a productivity conversation and becomes a spiritual one. WAKE through Priorities So let’s take this mini arc through WAKE. W — WONDER Start by noticing without immediately trying to fix. What does my current life reveal? What receives most of my attention? What do I think about the most? What do I protect most fiercely? Where does my emotional energy go? What do I keep saying matters that rarely receives time? What would surprise me if I looked honestly at the evidence? Wonder is not accusation. It is curiosity in the presence of God. And maybe the prayer is simply: Lord, help me see my life clearly. A — ADMIT Then tell the truth. Maybe: I have said You are first while giving You what is left. I have allowed work to take more of me than it should. I have been distracted in relationships that deserve my presence. I have given too much emotional energy to things I cannot control. I have said yes because I wanted approval. I have confused busyness with faithfulness. I have neglected something You already told me matters. I have let a good thing move into the wrong place. Admission is not about creating guilt. It is about ending denial. K — KNEEL Now ask what needs to be reordered. Kneeling says: God, You get first place. Not just in what I believe. In what I build. In what I schedule. In what I protect. In what I spend. In what I pursue. In what I say yes to. And maybe the surrender is very specific. This ambition. This schedule. This relationship dynamic. This need to be needed. This fear of disappointing people. This habit of filling every empty space. This thing I have gripped too tightly because I am afraid of what will happen if I let it go. Kneeling puts everything back under His authority. Not because everything needs to disappear. Because everything needs its proper place. E — EMBODY And then: What changes practically? This is where Priorities becomes real. Maybe you put your phone somewhere else in the morning. Maybe you block off time for prayer before the day fills up. Maybe you protect dinner. Maybe you say no to one thing. Maybe you say yes to something you have been neglecting. Maybe you move money. Maybe you make the appointment. Maybe you stop treating rest as optional. Maybe you ask the person closest to you: Do you feel like you are getting what is left of me? That question might tell you a lot. The goal is not to overhaul your entire life in one week. It is to ask: What one thing needs to move back into its proper place? And then move it. The priority audit If you want to sit with this more deeply, take five minutes this week and write down what currently receives your: First thoughts. Best energy. Most attention. Most money. Most time. Strongest emotional reaction. Then ask one final question: Does the evidence of my life reflect what I say matters most? If the answer is yes in some places, thank God for that. If the answer is no in others, do not panic. Just pay attention. Because awareness gives us somewhere to begin. Where marriage makes this interesting This is another place where I am already thinking about Season 3. Because one of the things… This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wakehersoul.substack.com

    Between Seasons Week 3: What Has First Place?
  5. Oct 6

    Between Seasons Week 2: What Purity Requires

    Pressure. What happens when life gets loud.What rises in us when we feel squeezed.What pressure reveals about our fears, our reactions, our need for control, and ultimately what we are anchored to. And one of the things I keep coming back to is this: Seeing something is not the same thing as surrendering it. We can become aware of a pattern and keep living in it. We can recognize fear and continue to let it lead us. We can hear conviction and agree with God completely…and still delay obedience. Which is why the second mini arc of Season 2 moved from Pressure into Purity. Pressure reveals. Purity refines. And I think this is where the work gets a little more uncomfortable. Because awakening asks: Can you see it? Purity asks: Now that you see it, are you willing to let God touch it? We like revelation more than refinement I think most of us genuinely want God to show us things. We pray: Search me. Speak to me. Reveal what I’m missing. Give me discernment. Show me what You want. And then sometimes He does. And we think… Well. Not that. We want revelation until revelation asks something of us. Until God puts His finger on the belief we have defended for years. The habit we have excused. The relationship dynamic we know is unhealthy. The comfort we do not want to give up. The opinion we have fused with identity. The plan we have already decided He should bless. The version of ourselves we have worked very hard to protect. There is a difference between asking God to reveal something and giving Him permission to change it. That was really the tension underneath the Purity arc. Not: Can I identify what is wrong? But: What am I willing to place back in God’s hands? Purity is not about looking perfect I want to pause here because even the word purity can carry baggage. It can sound like performance. Clean yourself up. Get it right. Become more impressive. Hide the messy parts. But that isn’t the kind of purity I mean. Purity is not pretending there is nothing mixed inside us. It is becoming increasingly willing to let God separate what belongs from what doesn’t. Truth from fear. Conviction from pride. Faith from cultural conditioning. Obedience from comfort. Love from control. His voice from all the other voices we have absorbed along the way. The Purity arc asked whether some of what we call faith has actually been shaped by things other than Jesus. Culture. Tradition. Preference. Fear. Identity. Comfort. Even our own desires. And that is difficult work because those things are not always obviously bad. Sometimes they are deeply familiar. Sometimes they have been part of us for so long that we no longer know where they end and faith begins. Which means purification often starts with a very simple prayer: God, show me what is You…and what isn’t. Savior is easier than Lord There was another tension in this arc that I think is worth returning to. We are often very comfortable with Jesus as Savior. The One who rescues. Forgives. Restores. Comforts. Carries. But Lord is different. Lord implies authority. Lord means He gets to disagree with me. He gets to confront me. He gets to redirect me. He gets to ask for something I would rather keep. He gets to say no when I wanted yes. He gets to change the plan. He gets to put His finger on something I have justified and say: This cannot come with you. That distinction matters. The question is not simply: Does Jesus have a place in my life? The deeper question is: Does He have authority over it? That reaches into everything. My thinking. My relationships. My habits. My sexuality. My ambitions. My money. My time. My reactions. My politics. My plans. My comfort. My future. Lordship means there is no little room in the soul marked: Mine. Do not enter. And if there is… Purity eventually brings us there. Conviction is not condemnation This is also where I think we can get scared. Because when God reveals something that needs to change, we can immediately hear accusation. Look how badly you’ve failed. You should know better. How did you not see this? But conviction and condemnation do very different things. Condemnation pushes us away from God. Conviction draws us toward Him. Condemnation says: Hide. Conviction says: Come closer. Let Me heal this too. Purity is not God standing at a distance pointing out everything wrong with us. It is God loving us too much to leave us fragmented. There are things we hold onto because they feel protective. And God can see what they are costing us. There are things we defend because surrender feels frightening. And God knows what freedom exists on the other side. The question is whether we trust Him enough to let Him refine what He reveals. So let’s WAKE through Purity Just like last week, I want to take this through the WAKE framework. Not because we need another acronym to remember. But because it gives us a way to move from recognition into response. W — WONDER Wonder begins with openness. Lord, where am I still blind? Not: Show me what is wrong with everyone around me. Show me what the culture is getting wrong. Show me what they need to change. But: God, where am I still blind? What have I normalized because it is familiar? What belief have I never examined in Your presence? What part of my life have I quietly declared off-limits? Where have I confused preference with conviction? Where have I assumed that because something feels deeply like me, it must automatically reflect You? Wonder also brings us back into awe. Because if God really is who we say He is, then being corrected by Him is not something to fear. It is a gift. He sees what we cannot. He knows where the mixture is. And He is trustworthy enough to lead us through it. A — ADMIT Then we tell the truth. This is the point where vague spiritual language stops helping us. Maybe the admission sounds like: God, I have justified this. I have known You were asking me to let this go, and I have delayed. I have wanted You to affirm something You were actually trying to confront. I have obeyed selectively. I have followed You in the places that felt comfortable and resisted You in the places that cost me something. I have called preference conviction. I have protected an identity that You are asking me to surrender. I have said “Your will be done” while quietly hoping You would choose mine. Admission is not self-punishment. It is agreement with God. And there is freedom in finally stopping the argument. K — KNEEL This is where Purity becomes surrender. Because seeing the thing is not enough. Naming the thing is not enough. At some point, we place it back under His authority. Kneeling says: God, You get to be Lord here too. Over this belief. This habit. This desire. This relationship. This plan. This identity. This part of my future. This thing I have protected because I am afraid of who I will be without it. You get to have this too. And I think one of the hardest prayers we can pray is still the prayer Jesus prayed: Not my will, but Yours. Not because our desires do not matter. But because His wisdom is greater than our sight. Kneeling is the place where we stop trying to negotiate the terms of obedience. E — EMBODY And then once again: What changes? Because repentance is not simply feeling differently about something. It turns. It moves. It bears fruit. So maybe embodiment this week means having the conversation you have been avoiding. Maybe it means apologizing without defending yourself. Maybe it means changing a habit. Setting a boundary. Ending something. Beginning something. Opening your Bible before opening another voice telling you what to think. Maybe it means stopping the sentence: “I know God says…but…” and allowing obedience to become simpler. Not easier. Simpler. What has God already made clear that I have not yet acted on? That might be the question to carry this week. What did God confront that you still haven’t released? If you listened to the Purity arc when Season 2 originally released, I want to invite you back into those conversations. But this time, don’t listen simply for something you missed. Listen for something you may have heard perfectly clearly the first time. Something that made you uncomfortable. Something you knew was f… This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wakehersoul.substack.com

    Between Seasons Week 2: What Purity Requires
  6. Sep 29

    Between Seasons Week 1: What Pressure Reveals

    I’ve been thinking about how quickly we move on. We finish the thing.We release the thing.We learn something.God puts His finger on something. And then almost immediately, we start asking: What’s next? I’m especially aware of that right now because Season 2 of Wake Her Soul is finished. And if I’m being completely transparent, I did very little to promote it while it was coming out. So there is a decent chance that unless you were a regular listener, Season 2 happened rather quietly in your world. Shawna and I recorded it. We released it. We had conversations that I still believe were deeply timely. And then life kept moving. So before I move Wake Her Soul into Season 3, I don’t want to rush past what God already gave us. For the next four weeks, I’m calling this little space Between Seasons. Not a replay. Not exactly a Bible study like the series we did between Seasons 1 and 2. More like a return. Each week, I’m going back to one of the larger conversations from Season 2 and asking: What was God trying to wake us up to here—and what might we still need to sit with? And we’re beginning where Season 2 began. With pressure. Season 2 actually had a progression to it: Pressure. Purity. Priorities. Pursuits. We started by noticing what pressure reveals, moved into what God might be refining, looked at what needs to be reordered, and ended by asking what we’re actually pursuing. So over these four weeks, I want to walk that path again, but from the other side of the season. Not What did we talk about? so much as What has actually changed because we talked about it? When everything feels urgent The first mini arc of Season 2 was really one long conversation across three episodes. We started with the question of why everything feels so intense. Then we moved into what happens when that pressure gets into our emotions—when disagreement becomes offense, when conviction becomes defensiveness, when faith starts getting loud but not necessarily loving. And finally, we went deeper into allegiance. What has our loyalty? What has our emotional attachment? What has enough authority in our lives to determine whether we feel peaceful or threatened? Looking back, I think the movement of that whole arc was something like this: What shakes me.What I protect.What I serve. And there is one thought from that first conversation that has continued to stay with me: Intensity is not the same thing as importance. I need that reminder. Maybe you do too. Because we live in a world where everything seems to arrive carrying the same message: Pay attention to me. React to me. Have an opinion about me. Be afraid of me. Fix me. Defend this. Condemn that. Say something. Do something. Now. And because something feels urgent, we can very quickly assume that urgency itself is an instruction. But it isn’t. There are things God absolutely asks us to care about. There are moments when obedience requires us to speak. There are things happening in the world that should grieve us, move us and call us into action. But not everything that enters our awareness becomes our assignment. And not every intense emotion is discernment. Sometimes it is fear. Sometimes it is offense. Sometimes it is our desire for control. Sometimes it is the uncomfortable realization that we have attached part of our identity to an outcome, a belief, a group or a sense of being right. That’s why pressure can be so revealing. The storm tells us something Jesus gives us that picture at the end of Matthew 7. Two houses. Two foundations. One storm. The storm hit both. The difference was not who managed to avoid bad weather. The difference was what each house had been built upon. I would much rather spend my energy trying to manage the storm. I want the uncertainty resolved. I want the conflict fixed. I want the answer. I want to know how everything turns out. But sometimes God seems far more interested in what the storm is revealing about my foundation than He is in making the storm disappear on my timeline. Pressure has a way of showing us things. It shows us what we reach for when we feel unsafe. It shows us where we have confused information with wisdom. It shows us when concern has quietly become false responsibility. It shows us how quickly we move from conviction into offense. And eventually, it can reveal what actually has our allegiance. That is uncomfortable work. But it is good work. Because exposure in the hands of God is not meant to humiliate us. It is an invitation back into alignment. A little WAKE-up call One of the things that came out of this season, and something I want to keep developing, is the WAKE framework. It gives us a way to do more than listen to a conversation and think, Well, that was interesting. It asks us to let the conversation move somewhere. So, as we revisit the Pressure Arc, I want to walk through it this way. W — WONDER Wonder begins by getting curious before getting defensive. What has pressure been revealing in me? What makes me feel immediately responsible? What makes my body tense? What subjects seem capable of hijacking my peace? What am I afraid might happen if I don’t respond, fix, explain, defend or prepare? What pressure am I currently under that may actually be revealing something God wants to address? And then there is another side of Wonder that matters just as much. Awe. The fear of God. Who is God in the middle of the thing that feels so enormous to me? What have I forgotten about His character because I have been staring so closely at the problem? Sometimes the world does not have to get smaller. God simply needs to become bigger again in our awareness. A — ADMIT Then comes the part where curiosity has to become honesty. Maybe my admission is: God, I’m afraid. I’ve been carrying something You never gave me. I’ve been using information to create the illusion of control. I have allowed urgency to decide what gets my attention. I have become defensive because part of my identity is attached to this. I have called fear wisdom. I have called offense conviction. I have said I trust You while behaving as though everything depends on me. There is no benefit in giving God the polished answer. He already knows. Admit simply gives us the humility to agree with Him. K — KNEEL This may be the part of WAKE I love most. Kneel. Because kneeling puts things back in their proper order. I am not God. I am not responsible for holding all of this together. I can care without carrying everything. I can participate without believing the outcome depends entirely upon me. I can have convictions without allowing them to become my identity. I can care deeply about what happens in this world while remembering that my ultimate allegiance is not to an earthly kingdom. Kneeling says: God, You are God. I am Yours. This matters. But You are greater. So I give back what I have picked up that You never asked me to carry. That is humility. And it is also freedom. E — EMBODY Then comes the question that keeps all of this from becoming another thoughtful thing we heard and forgot. What changes? What does an anchored woman actually do differently? Maybe she doesn’t begin the morning with the news. Maybe she waits before answering the message that made her angry. Maybe she asks one simple question before picking up another burden: Is this actually mine to carry? Maybe she stops confusing adrenaline with discernment. Maybe she becomes a little harder to bait. A little slower to speak. A little quicker to pray. A little less dependent on an outcome in order to remain at peace. Maybe she becomes harder to rush. I really like that idea. Not disengaged. Not indifferent. Not passive. Just anchored. If you missed the Pressure Arc If you were listening during Season 2, I’d love for you to revisit these conversations with fresh ears. And if you completely missed Season 2, this is a really good place to begin. The first mini arc spans Episodes 1–3. We move from pressure and reactivity, into offense and identity, and finally into allegiance and Kingdom authority. I’ll link all three below. As you listen, you don’t have to take notes on everything. Just carry these four questio… This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wakehersoul.substack.com

    Between Seasons Week 1: What Pressure Reveals
  7. Sep 22

    Season 2 // Episode 12: Finish The Race God Has Given You

    In this final episode of Season 2 of Wake Her Soul, Shawna and Camille close out the Pursuits mini awakening arc by moving into the final part of the soul: the will. Throughout this arc, they’ve been asking what we’re pursuing, what has captured our hearts, and whether the life we’re building is actually aligned with what God has created us for. But eventually, discernment requires a decision. Will I actually go where God is leading me…even when His direction requires me to change mine? That question becomes deeply personal in this episode as Shawna and Camille share a transition happening within Wake Her Soul. After seeking God separately, they discovered He had been revealing different pieces of the same picture: Wake Her Soul was meant to continue, but the way forward was changing. Their story becomes a real-time example of the very thing they’ve spent this season talking about: Surrender isn’t only releasing things that are wrong. Sometimes it means releasing something good because God is redirecting you toward what He has for you now. Together, they explore the “collision of our callings,” why our gifts were never intended to build our own kingdoms, how God can use different people and seasons to move His purposes forward, and why changing direction doesn’t necessarily mean you got it wrong. Sometimes each surrendered step simply brings you closer to where God has been leading you all along. And when other people don’t understand the pivots? We remember that we aren’t running their race. We are called to finish the race God has given us. So the final question of Season 2 becomes: Am I willing to hold my plans loosely enough for God to continually redirect my pursuit? Takeaways * God has prepared good works for each of us to walk in; our role is to continually seek Him for what those assignments are. * Discernment eventually requires action. It isn’t enough to recognize God’s direction if we refuse to follow it. * Sometimes obedience means beginning something; other times it means releasing, repositioning, or changing how we participate in it. * A change in direction doesn’t necessarily mean the previous direction was wrong. God can use one season to prepare us for the next. * We don’t always receive the entire vision individually; sometimes God gives different people pieces that become clearer when we come together. * Our gifts and talents aren’t ultimately for building our own careers, platforms, or identities. They are meant to serve others and glorify God. * Busyness—even with good things—can keep us from having the space to pursue what God is actually asking of us. * We cannot carry every assignment forever simply because we don’t want to let something go. * Following God requires holding our plans, roles, projects, and even our sense of identity loosely. * Fear of what other people think can keep us tied to a path God is asking us to leave. * We don’t have to understand the entire road ahead. We can trust God to reveal the next step as we walk with Him. * Each person has a unique race. Comparison and outside opinions cannot determine what obedience looks like for someone else. * The ultimate pursuit isn’t a calling, ministry, business, platform, or purpose. It is God Himself. Chapters 00:00 — Welcome Back: The Final Episode of Season 2 02:30 — The Will: When Discernment Becomes a Decision 04:00 — Ephesians 2:10 + The Good Works God Prepared for You 05:00 — A New Direction for Wake Her Soul 07:00 — When God Gives Two People Pieces of the Same Vision 09:20 — Why Wake Her Soul Is Continuing 11:00 — The Collision of Our Callings 13:00 — What Season 3 May Look Like 15:00 — Shawna’s Next Assignment + Following God’s Redirection 17:00 — The Beginning of We the Word 19:00 — When God Plants Something Years Before It’s Time 22:45 — When Something Has to Give 25:25 — Looking Back and Seeing How God Connected the Threads 27:00 — Holding Your Calling Loosely 29:00 — Stop Living According to What Other People Think 30:00 — Your Race Is Not Someone Else’s Race 31:00 — This Isn’t Goodbye—It’s an Intermission 31:15 — Closing Prayer: Finish the Race God Has Given You (Timestamps follow the flow of the transcript and may be adjusted slightly once final audio is live.) Scriptures Referenced * Ephesians 2:10 — We are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for the good works He prepared beforehand for us to walk in. * Philippians 4:6–7 — God’s peace guards our hearts and minds in Christ Jesus; a passage Shawna shares as foundational to the first We the Word project. * Acts 20:24 — Our aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given us. These passages bring the entire Pursuits arc back to something important: God did not create us merely to find something meaningful to pursue. He created us for Himself. Our assignments may change. Our roles may change. Our seasons may change. Even the way we use our gifts may change. But if our deepest pursuit remains Him, we can allow everything else to remain open-handed. Dive even deeper this week by downloading the Bible Study worksheet: Reflection Questions * What assignment has God placed before me in this season? * Is there something I know God is asking me to begin, release, or reposition? * Am I carrying something simply because I’m afraid to let it go? * Where might the opinions or expectations of other people be influencing my obedience? * Have I confused consistency with faithfulness—assuming I must keep doing something simply because I started it? * Am I using my gifts primarily to build something for myself, or am I allowing God to use them for His purposes? * What would I do differently if I stopped comparing my race to everyone else’s? * Am I willing to let God redirect me again—even if I cannot yet see where the new road leads? Closing Season 2 began with an invitation to wake up. To recognize the pressure shaping us. To allow God to purify what has become mixed with the world. To reorder our priorities. And finally, to examine our pursuits. But perhaps the deepest awakening is realizing that following Jesus will never be a one-time decision about the direction of our lives. It is a continual willingness to say: “God, if You move, I’ll move.” Shawna and Camille began Wake Her Soul together in obedience, and now obedience is asking them to hold even this beautiful thing with open hands. The podcast will continue, their friendship and collaboration will continue, and Shawna will return…but the form is changing as each follows where God is leading next. This week, spend time in prayer asking: “Lord, what am I holding too tightly to follow where You are leading me now?” Ask Him to reveal where you’re being invited to begin. Where you’re being invited to stay. Where you’re being invited to release. And where you’re simply being asked to take the next step. Because faithfulness isn’t about choosing one road and refusing to ever turn. It’s about keeping our eyes fixed on the One leading us—wherever He goes. We make our plans. We hold them loosely. And we keep pursuing Him. With love in Christ, Camille & Shawna This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wakehersoul.substack.com

    Season 2 // Episode 12: Finish The Race God Has Given You
  8. Sep 15

    Season 2 // Episode 11: What Are You Waiting For? How To Pursue What Matters

    In this episode of Wake Her Soul, Shawna and Camille continue the Pursuits mini awakening arc by moving from the mind into the heart…and asking what happens when God uses something deeply personal to wake us up to the way we’re actually living. Sometimes awakening comes through conviction. Sometimes through obedience. And sometimes through a moment that suddenly reminds us: We don’t have forever. Camille begins by sharing the story of her family’s baptism: a step of obedience she had felt drawn toward for years, but one that never seemed quite urgent. It becomes a powerful reminder that some of the most important things God asks of us may never compete for our attention the way the demands of everyday life do. An email feels urgent. A text feels urgent. A deadline feels urgent. But spending time with God? Following through on something He has placed on our heart? Pursuing what He created us to do? Those things can quietly keep getting pushed to tomorrow. Then Shawna shares one of the most personal moments of the season: a conversation with her young son that left her confronted with a question she couldn’t shake: If I knew I only had seven years left, would I be living differently? Not because she suddenly became afraid of dying…but because the possibility exposed something much deeper. There were things she wanted her children to know. Things God had placed on her heart that she had barely begun. Ways she wanted to love, disciple, serve, create, and obey that had too easily been delayed by everyday life, excuses, and fear. That experience brings the conversation to Psalm 90:12: “Teach us to number our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom.” Together, Shawna and Camille explore what it means to live with that kind of wisdom…not anxiously counting how much time we have left, but allowing the brevity of life to clarify what deserves the life we have today. Because God rarely gives us the entire roadmap. He gives us the next step. And perhaps part of pursuing Him is learning to stop waiting until something feels urgent before obeying what He’s already made important. Takeaways * Not everything that is important will feel urgent. * God is patient with us, but delayed obedience can cause us to continually postpone things He has already placed on our hearts. * Baptism is one example of an outward act of obedience that can mark a significant moment in our walk with Christ. * God can use difficult, emotional, or unexpected moments to radically reorder how we see our lives. * Remembering that our lives are temporary isn’t meant to create fear—it can give us wisdom about how to live today. * We don’t have to wait for tragedy, loss, or a diagnosis to ask what actually matters. * God rarely gives us the entire roadmap because dependence keeps us in relationship with Him. * Pursuing God’s will often means asking for the next faithful step, rather than demanding the full plan. * Our children can sometimes reveal things God wants us to notice; humility allows us to remain teachable regardless of who He uses. * Worldly intelligence and godly wisdom are not the same thing. * Our gifts aren’t proof of our superiority; they are something God has entrusted to us to steward for His glory. * Pride can quietly attach our identity to intelligence, achievement, our children, success, or other God-given gifts. * Humility remembers the Source of every gift. * Ultimately, the question isn’t simply, “What do I want to accomplish with my life?” but “God, what did You give me this life to do?” Chapters 00:00 — Welcome Back: Pursuits + the Heart 01:25 — Picking Up Where Episode 10 Left Off 02:05 — Camille’s Baptism Story 03:00 — When Important Things Don’t Feel Urgent 05:20 — A Family Step of Obedience 06:10 — Baptism, Community + Following God’s Conviction 08:00 — Why Hearing God Matters to Our Pursuits 09:00 — Shawna’s Story: A Moment That Changed Her Perspective 11:00 — When a Child’s Words Wake You Up 12:00 — “What If I Only Had Seven Years Left?” 13:30 — Why Wait for Something Bad to Reevaluate Your Life? 14:45 — Teach Us to Number Our Days 16:00 — Why God Doesn’t Give Us the Whole Roadmap 17:00 — Life Is a Mist: What Are We Actually Pursuing? 19:00 — A Heart of Wisdom vs. Worldly Wisdom 22:00 — Are You Living the American Dream—or God’s Dream? 23:00 — Humility, Pride + Our God-Given Gifts 25:45 — When God Keeps Giving Us Opportunities to Humble Ourselves 27:00 — Closing Prayer + Pursuing God With a Humble Heart (Timestamps follow the transcript and may be adjusted slightly once final audio is live.) Scriptures Referenced * Psalm 90:12 — “Teach us to number our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom.” This becomes the central Scripture of the episode: remembering the brevity of life can help us discern how God wants us to spend it. * James 4:13–15 — Our lives are a mist; rather than presuming upon tomorrow, we learn to hold our plans beneath the will of God. The transcript references James’s teaching that life is a mist. * Matthew 23:12 — “Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.” * Matthew 28:18–20 — The Great Commission reminds us that our lives have a Kingdom purpose: making disciples and sharing the good news. * 2 Corinthians 11:14 — Satan masquerades as an angel of light, underscoring the need for biblical discernment as we determine what to pursue. The episode references this principle while discussing discernment. These passages bring the episode back to one central truth: We don’t need to know how many days we have left to begin living them differently. God has given each of us a life. A family. Time. Abilities. Opportunities. Influence. Spiritual gifts. And wisdom isn’t merely knowing that these things came from Him. Wisdom asks how He wants us to use them while we’re here. Download the Bible Study to dive even deeper this week: Reflection Questions * If I knew my time was shorter than I expected, what would suddenly matter more? * What would suddenly matter less? * What has God placed on my heart that I keep postponing because it doesn’t feel urgent? * Is there a step of obedience I already know God is asking me to take? * Am I waiting for God to reveal the entire plan before I’m willing to take the next step? * What gifts has God entrusted to me, and am I using them for His glory or allowing them to become a source of pride or identity? * Where might God be asking me to become more humble and teachable? * How would my days change if I genuinely prayed, “Teach me to number my days so I may gain a heart of wisdom”? Closing We often imagine we’ll have more time. More time to obey. More time to pursue the thing God placed on our heart. More time to tell our children what matters. More time to use our gifts. More time to become the person God is calling us to become. But Scripture doesn’t teach us to fear the brevity of life. It teaches us to let that reality make us wise. This week, spend time with Psalm 90:12 and ask: “God, if You taught me to truly number my days, what would You have me do differently with the one You’ve given me today?” Don’t demand the seven-year plan. Ask Him for year one. Or maybe simply today. What deserves your attention? What needs to be released? What have you delayed? What gift needs to be used? What act of obedience is already in front of you? Then take the next step. Because pursuing the life God created you for isn’t ultimately about accomplishing everything before you die. It’s about faithfully using the life He’s given you while you’re here. With love in Christ, Camille & Shawna This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wakehersoul.substack.com

    Season 2 // Episode 11: What Are You Waiting For? How To Pursue What Matters

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