Both Sides of Par: Golf Podcast for Every Handicap

Colin and Ross

Both Sides of Par is a golf podcast for the millions of us battling through the middle. Colin is a high handicapper rediscovering the game after 20 years away. Ross plays off a low handicap and knows the industry inside out. Together they have honest, funny chats about what it actually takes to get better, from both ends of the handicap spectrum. If you play off anything from 10 to 25 and you're tired of tips aimed only at scratch players, this is your show. Every week covers practice that genuinely moves the needle, gear and golf tech worth your money, courses and golf trips (with a soft spot for Scotland, the home of golf and our home too!), and the amateur questions nobody else bothers to answer. Two golfers, two handicaps, one obsession. Follow along and play with us.

  1. 4d ago

    The 12-Ball Chipping Test That Shows How Good You Really Are

    Follow us on @bothsidesofpar for more from both Ross and Colin! Also, In the Pines, Colin's Tuesday newsletter, lands with more from the episode, the drill of the week, rules Q&As and the bits that didn't fit here: colingray.link/nl-sub-pod Winter is closing in, Colin's golf has been non-existent, and Ross has done something he's barely ever done: pulled out of a medal because his short game wasn't ready, then spent the morning practising instead. That sets up a test Colin has found for the rest of us. Twelve balls, three rings, and a scoreboard that puts beginners on three, double-digit handicappers on five, scratch amateurs on seven and tour pros on ten. Ross guesses the last two correctly, which is either very impressive or very annoying. They also share what's working in Ross's chipping practice, including a routine with no practice swings at all, and why Ryan Fox's Open-winning pace has him thinking again. Then it's on to TGL, Tiger and Rory's enormous indoor golf arena, with its moving green and its spotlight for marking the ball. Colin wants to pick a team and actually follow it this year. Ross is more interested in whether a two-hour match on a winter's night might bring younger people into the game, and neither of them can quite get over what the teams are said to be worth. The last stretch looks ahead to 2027: why the best opens need planning now, Ross's eye on the Senior Open at Royal Porthcawl, and Colin's trip to three north-east England courses he'd never heard of and now can't wait to play. Ross finishes with his full speed training routine, which involves flailing at an 8 iron as hard as he can while the rest of the range looks on, and Colin asks for your help: a one minute report on your own course, recorded for the show. Episode Highlights🟢 The 12-ball chipping test you can set up with a handful of tees, and how your score compares with beginners, scratch amateurs and tour pros. 🟢 Why Ross withdrew from a medal for one of the first times in his life, and what he did with those three hours instead. 🟢 Ross's new end-of-session chipping routine: walk in, no practice swing, look at the landing spot and hit it. 🟢 A range drill from Karl Morris, where you lay six balls out and hit them as fast as you can, and why the last one might be your best. 🟢 How Ross has reached 183mph ball speed with his driver, and what 30 extra yards of carry changed on the holes at his old club. Gear & Resources Mentioned🟢 Player Development Index (PDI) chipping test: three rings at 3, 10 and 20 yards, measuring 3, 6 and 12 feet across, with four balls at each. 🟢 Short Game Wizard and wrist weights, which Ross now keeps for his warm-up. 🟢 Karl Morris, Ryan Fox's performance coach, and how Fox's pace stood out at the Open: golf.com/instruction/ryan-fox-speedy-pace-more-golfers 🟢 The How Low Can You Go podcast, and its episode with past Both Sides of Par guest Scott Fawcett. 🟢 TGL, Tomorrow's Golf League: tglgolf.com 🟢 Trackman simulators, where Ross has played Wentworth and Royal Dornoch: trackman.com 🟢 Shell's Wonderful World of Golf, the classic series Ross recommends looking up on YouTube. 🟢 Goswick Links, Berwick-upon-Tweed: goswickgolfclub.com 🟢 Close House, Northumberland, where Lee Westwood is attached: closehouse.com 🟢 Seaton Carew, Hartlepool: seatoncarewgolfclub.co.uk 🟢 Colville Park Golf Club, Motherwell, where Ross used the indoor Trackman. 🟢 Padraig Harrington's step drill for speed: golf.com/instruction/driving/step-drill-sequencing-padraig-harrington 🟢 Scott Borrowman, speed and power coach at Stirling Golf Club: his story at pga.info 🟢 Leave your one minute course report for the show: bothpar.com/coursereport Weekly Competitions🟢 Scottish Seniors at Royal Dornoch, Sutherland, 5 and 6 April 2027. A seniors event Ross has his eye on. Check format, course and entry with the organisers. Royal Dornoch's fixture list: royaldornoch.com 🟢 ISPS HANDA Senior Open, Royal Porthcawl, Wales, 22 to 25 July 2027. Ross's bigger goal for next year, entered through qualifying. Qualifying venues and entry fees weren't available at the time of publishing. Details: randa.org Chapter List00:00 Winter practice plans 02:19 Why Ross pulled out of a medal 04:13 The 12-ball chipping test 11:22 How the tour pros score 13:20 Ross's chipping drills and new routine 16:20 Ryan Fox, Karl Morris and playing faster 18:19 What is TGL? 21:38 Is team golf more watchable? 25:42 Team money and younger fans 29:03 TGL's viewing figures 31:43 Planning next year's opens 35:04 Colin's trip to north-east England 38:58 Ross's speed training routine 47:06 Send us your course report

  2. Nov 2

    Why There's No Right Way to Swing a Golf Club! Oliver Wilson Joins Us!

    📸 Follow @bothsidesofpar on Instagram What if everything you've been told about the perfect golf swing is wrong? This week on Both Sides of Par, Ross sits down with former Ryder Cup player and two-time DP World Tour winner Oliver Wilson for a fascinating conversation about life at the highest level of professional golf, the lessons learned along the way and why most amateur golfers are making the game far more complicated than it needs to be. Oli's journey is anything but ordinary. From walking out of a geography lesson to pursue professional golf, working in a supermarket bakery to fund his ambitions and arriving at Augusta State thinking he'd be practising at Augusta National, there are plenty of laughs along the way. His career took him through American college golf, the Walker Cup and onto the European Tour, where nine runner-up finishes preceded an unforgettable victory at the 2014 Alfred Dunhill Links Championship at St Andrews. And then there's the 2008 Ryder Cup at Valhalla. Oli shares the incredible story of qualifying under enormous pressure at Gleneagles, partnering Henrik Stenson against Phil Mickelson and Anthony Kim, and holing the putt that sealed their memorable foursomes victory. But this isn't simply a trip down memory lane. Having recently stepped away from full-time DP World Tour golf, Oli is embracing a new chapter involving TRUE Linkswear, broadcasting with TNT Sports and BBC Radio, and coaching golfers of all abilities. He explains why he's so passionate about golf footwear and natural movement, what he's learned watching Scottie Scheffler and Rory McIlroy up close, and why his own experiences have completely changed his approach to coaching. Perhaps the biggest takeaway? There is no perfect golf swing. Oli believes understanding ball flight, learning how your own body moves and practising with purpose can transform your golf far more effectively than endlessly chasing swing positions on YouTube or Instagram. From Ryder Cup pressure to the importance of hitting shots from bad lies, this episode is packed with stories, humour and practical advice that golfers of every handicap can take onto the course. ⛳ In this episode: 🏌️ Walking out of school to chase a professional golf career 🇺🇸 College golf at Augusta State and winning the Walker Cup 🏆 The incredible pressure of qualifying for the 2008 Ryder Cup 🇪🇺 Beating Mickelson and Kim alongside Henrik Stenson at Valhalla ⛳ Nine runner-up finishes before finally winning at St Andrews in 2014 👟 Why Oli believes TRUE Linkswear is changing golf footwear 🎙️ Commentating for BBC Radio and TNT Sports, including watching the world's best up close 🎯 Why most amateur golfers misunderstand their own swings 💡 How understanding ball flight can help you become your own coach 🏌️ Why there's no single correct way to swing a golf club ⛳ Follow Both Sides of Par 📸 Instagram: @bothsidesofpar 🏌️ Ross: @theshedisback 🏌️ Colin: @mcgraygolf 🏆 Find and follow Oliver Wilson 📸 Instagram: @oliver_wilson 🌐 Website: oliver-wilson.com 𝕏 X/Twitter: Oliver Wilson 🏌️ Coaching: Find Oliver Wilson on Skillest ⭐ Enjoying Both Sides of Par? We're an independent golf podcast bringing you honest conversations, great stories and practical insights from across the game. ⭐ Leave us a rating and review on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. It genuinely helps more golfers discover the show. 📲 Share this episode with one golfing friend who loves the game or could benefit from Oli's advice. 🎧 Follow or subscribe so you never miss an episode. Two golfers. Two handicaps. One obsession.

  3. Oct 26

    He Fitted His Own Driver Shaft With ChatGPT. It Took Two Shots Off His Handicap.

    In the Pines, Colin's Tuesday newsletter, lands with more from the episode, the drill of the week, rules Q&As and the bits that didn't fit here: colingray.link/nl-sub-pod Ross has the week off, so Colin's joined by Mark Asquith, co-founder of the North of Par podcast network (https://northofpar.co.uk) and a mate from the podcasting world. Mark opens with the most painful handicap story you'll hear this year: a back-nine card he never meant to take seriously, a 52 degree wedge that suddenly flies 15 yards further than it should, and a three foot lip-out on the last that left him at exactly 10.0 instead of the single figures he'd set as his goal. He then broke a finger, so that's the season done. Lovely. The two of them run their own companies, so the bulk of the episode is golf's business problem, from the inside. Mark built a piece of club management software, prototyped it, and killed it, and he explains why selling to volunteer committees is a business nobody should want. From there it's the stuff that software can't fix: why a free coffee machine is a marketing strategy, how a sold-out winter scramble and a 15 player sim league happened while the club was cancelling its own events, and what Mark learned as vice captain of the Rabbits when he started putting brand new members into the friendlies ahead of the lads who'd played them for 20 years. There's the clubhouse question too: dress codes, a drinking culture that under-35s don't share, and why Mark can eat dinner in a baseball cap with the biggest brands in golf but not at his £1,500 a year club. Colin brings up the wave of companies taking over Scottish clubs, Scotscraig and Forfar among them, and Mark's view is that it's the mid-tier clubs that are in real trouble and investment has to come from somewhere. They close with gear (Mark used ChatGPT to fit himself into a new driver shaft, and it took him from 12 to 10) and Mark's list of the courses worth playing within an hour of Huddersfield, which Colin's going to cash in next summer. Episode Highlights🟢 The lip-out at 03:58 that cost Mark a 9.9 handicap, followed by the broken finger that means he might not get another card in before the temp greens go in. 🟢 Why Mark built club management software and then killed it: four pitches to every single club, volunteer committees, and a three year contract cycle. 🟢 "Make the coffee machine free." Mark's case that experience design, not software, is where clubs are losing members. 🟢 The Rabbits friendlies story: new members put in the team, the community grew fast, and the committee reverted the whole lot the next year. 🟢 Mark fed his shot data, his miss and his swing speed into ChatGPT, bought the shaft it picked, and dropped two shots off his handicap without changing anything else. Gear & Resources Mentioned🟢 North of Par, Mark's golf podcast network (Colin was a guest in September): northofpar.co.uk. Daily content on Instagram, search North of Par. 🟢 Evolving Golf, North of Par's show for golf club managers and pro shop staff. 🟢 Meltham Golf Club, Huddersfield, Mark's home club: meltham-golf.co.uk 🟢 Castlefields Golf Club near Brighouse, the six hole par 3 course Mark takes his kids to. 🟢 BRS Golf and ClubV1, the club systems Colin and Mark can't stand, and Golf Genius, the one Mark rates: golfgenius.com 🟢 18Birdies and Hole19, the GPS and round tracking apps Colin mentions. 🟢 Putt & Strut, the Sarah Stirk and Anton Du Beke podcast Mark put a live show on with at the BMW PGA Championship. 🟢 Mark's new driver shaft: a 65 gram extra stiff, cut to 44 inches, chosen by ChatGPT from his shot data and swing speed. 🟢 Garmin R10, the launch monitor Colin feeds his own numbers from. 🟢 The Ancient Links Golf Company, which now runs Scotscraig and Forfar and is in talks over Montrose and The Glen at North Berwick. 🟢 Mark's courses within an hour of Huddersfield: Meltham, Crosland Heath (Alister MacKenzie, 1914), Halifax Golf Club at Ogden, Manchester Golf Club, Willow Valley, and the Leeds MacKenzie pair Alwoodley and Moortown (the 1929 Ryder Cup, the first held in Britain). Lindrick hosted the 1957 Ryder Cup. 🟢 Fox Hills, The Grove and Royal Dornoch, Mark's examples of top tier clubs that don't bother their members with daft rules. Chapter List00:00 Welcome and Mark Asquith, playing off 10.0 00:31 The lip-out that kept Mark out of single figures 04:17 A broken finger and the temp green problem 06:08 How Colin knows Mark, and North of Par 08:10 The club software Mark built and killed 14:22 Practice and tracking apps: a crowded market 15:39 A solution looking for a problem 17:09 What golfers actually want: an hour and a few holes 19:11 Experience design and the free coffee machine 21:05 Events that sell out while clubs cancel theirs 22:19 Group practice sessions and winter leagues 24:22 Vice captain of the Rabbits 28:06 Why the new members' friendlies got reverted 30:48 Drinking culture, dress codes and the clubhouse 35:13 The volunteer skills gap 36:55 Companies buying up Scottish clubs 38:10 Why mid-tier clubs are the ones in trouble 43:54 What Colin's dad makes of golf now 45:32 Colin's Yorkshire trip next summer 46:16 Gear: fitting a driver shaft with ChatGPT 50:00 Where to play within an hour of Huddersfield 52:07 Wrap up Contact: hello@bothpar.com · bothpar.com · Instagram @bothsidesofpar · Track your courses at track.bothpar.com

  4. Oct 19

    Are Premium Golf Balls Worth It? Plus Ireland's Hidden Links Gem

    ⛳ Follow us on Instagram: @bothsidesofpar for golf tips, course reviews, practice drills and behind-the-scenes clips from Ross and Colin. Are expensive golf balls really worth the money? This week on Both Sides of Par, Ross and Colin dig into the differences between premium golf balls and cheaper alternatives, including Titleist Pro V1, Pro V1x, Seed, Vice and Kirkland. With robot testing data suggesting some surprisingly small performance gaps, could golfers be spending far more than they need to? Colin's also back from an Irish golf trip, having played the spectacular The Island Golf Club near Dublin, with its towering dunes, blind shots and unforgettable links layout. He shares why it might be one of the best courses he's ever played, alongside a visit to Roganstown. Meanwhile, Ross is putting in some serious winter short-game practice, hitting 200–300 chips per session as he works to rebuild confidence and consistency. There's also a new Odyssey Ai-One putter in the bag, a discussion about SuperStroke grips and some practical advice on improving your putting without spending a fortune. In this episode: Premium vs budget golf balls – Pro V1x, Seed, Vice and Kirkland comparedGolf ball robot testing – does spending more actually deliver better performance?The Island Golf Club, Ireland – Colin's experience of a spectacular links course near DublinRoganstown Golf Club – affordable golf and challenging greensWinter golf practice – Ross's 200–300 shot chipping sessions and landing-spot drillsOdyssey Ai-One vs Scotty Cameron – Ross's new putter and improved short-putt confidenceSuperStroke putter grips – choosing the right thickness and changing grips yourself Two golfers, two handicaps, one obsession. From scratch golf to the challenges of a higher handicap, Ross and Colin share their experiences, discoveries and plenty of laughs along the way. 🎧 Enjoying Both Sides of Par? Follow the show on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, leave us a rating and review, and share this episode with one golfing friend. It makes a huge difference to helping our independent golf podcast grow. 📲 Follow @bothsidesofpar on Instagram for more golf course adventures, practice tips, episode highlights and the latest from Ross (@theshedisback) and Colin (@mcgraygolf).

  5. Oct 12

    Custom Fitting Myths Busted: Why Every Golfer Can Benefit | SGGT

    Think custom club fitting is only for good golfers? Think again. This week Ross is joined by Aaron Ellis (@golf_specs) from SGGT (@sggt_uk) to bust some of golf's biggest equipment myths and explain why the right clubs can make a difference whether you're playing off scratch or 25. With Colin representing the higher handicappers and Ross at the other end of the spectrum, Aaron explains why the fitting process should be just as valuable for both. And it turns out there's a lot more to it than hitting a few seven irons and being handed an expensive new set of clubs. We get into the fascinating details of SGGT's fitting approach, including testing different irons throughout the bag, using real golf balls outdoors and understanding why strike and consistency matter more than chasing extra yards. Along the way, we discover: Why higher handicappers can potentially benefit most from custom fitting.Why your height doesn't necessarily determine your club length or lie angle.How graphite shafts have evolved and why they aren't just for older or slower golfers.Why shaft flex labels don't tell the whole story.Why low-spin drivers and forgiving irons aren't always what you need.How small adjustments to loft, lie and shaft weight can transform ball striking.Why wedge fitting might be the most overlooked opportunity in your bag.Why the latest driver isn't necessarily better than the one you already own.What to expect from your first fitting and why there's absolutely nothing to be nervous about. Aaron also explains why a good fitter might actually recommend keeping your existing clubs rather than selling you something new. It's a fascinating conversation packed with practical advice, a few surprises and plenty of myth-busting for golfers of every ability. Follow our guest: Aaron: @golf_specs SGGT: @sggt_uk Follow the podcast: @bothsidesofpar Ross: @theshedisback Colin: @mcgraygolf 🎧 Available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. 2 golfers, 2 handicaps, 1 obsession.

  6. Oct 5 ·  Video

    Best Irons: Blades, Cavity Backs, Players Distance, Game Improvement... We Go Golf Club Shopping

    Colin and Ross are back together after a wee break, and the handicaps are behaving for once. Colin is down another stroke to 22 after a cracking front nine on the Jubilee Course at St Andrews, where he found two thirds of the fairways, outdrove a single figure golfer by 20 yards and holed more 15 footers than he has any right to. (A windless day, a borrowed spanner on the second tee and some Scott Fawcett lag putting thinking all played their part.) Ross, meanwhile, endured a traumatic fortnight playing off one, resisted the urge to throw everything in the bin, and is back to scratch. His chipping is still the problem child since moving to the tight heathland lies at Farnham, so he's out on the practice ground with a heavy training wedge and a kilo strapped to his wrist. Colin, like any good friend, asks whether that's helping or whether Ross has just become one of those Instagram spoof videos. The middle of the show is a proper iron shopping session. Colin's second hand TaylorMade Stealths have shed their ferrules, which is all the excuse he needs. The lads tour the categories from blades to game improvement, cover why cavity backs forgive your worst swings, why a modern 7 iron is basically a 5 iron from 30 years ago, and why Ross can't stop buying Srixons. Colin's shortlist runs from the Srixon ZXi5+ to the Mizuno Pro S-4 (which he suspects are too good for him) to Takomo's direct to consumer irons at around half the price. Since you can't hit those before buying, Ross shares a marker pen test for checking your lie angle and makes the case for paying an independent fitter for your specs first. Ross then confesses to yet another purchase: a mint, left handed Odyssey two ball putter from eBay, which has sent the Scotty Cameron to the naughty corner. There's lead tape and glued in metal pellets too, because of course there is. The show wraps with a reminder of why open competitions are the cheapest way onto great courses (Royal Dornoch for £60 instead of £360), and a look back at last week's chat with Colin's dad, a former head greenkeeper at Lahinch. The lads are still kicking themselves for not getting him on before the Walker Cup. Episode Highlights🟢 What changed for Colin on the Jubilee Course: one driver weight adjustment on the second tee, two thirds of fairways hit, and a lag putting mindset that had the 15 footers dropping 🟢 The nine ball up and down game Ross learned from Dalmahoy pro Scott Dixon: three easy lies, three medium, three hard, with a target score of 18 🟢 Colin's frank question to Ross: do wrist weights and heavy wedges improve your chipping, or just give you more to think about? 🟢 Iron categories decoded, from blades to players distance to game improvement, plus the physics of why a cavity back gives you a bigger sweet spot 🟢 How to buy irons online without a fitting: Takomo's fitting quiz, Ross's marker pen lie angle test, and why £75 with an independent fitter could be money well spent Gear & Resources Mentioned🟢 Last week's episode with Colin's dad on links course design: https://bothpar.com/episode/how-links-golf-courses-are-designed-bunkers-greens-and-strategy-explained 🟢 Jubilee Course, St Andrews Links, where Colin carded his best nine: https://www.standrews.com 🟢 TaylorMade Stealth driver, with the adjustable weight Colin finally moved back 🟢 Scott Fawcett and DECADE Golf, the course management system behind Colin's lag putting approach: https://decade.golf 🟢 Farnham Golf Club, Ross's new home club: https://www.farnhamgolfclub.co.uk 🟢 Momentus Short Game Wizard, the heavy training wedge Ross is practising with (mostly found second hand), plus a 1kg wrist weight 🟢 Scott Dixon, Head PGA Professional at Dalmahoy, who taught Ross the nine ball chipping game: https://www.scottdixongolf.com 🟢 Muir of Ord Golf Club, Colin's lush parkland practice ground: https://muirofordgolfclub.co.uk 🟢 Nairn Dunbar Golf Club, Colin's links option with the snooker table lies: https://nairndunbar.com 🟢 Srixon irons: Ross's ZX7s, the Z-Forged blades he resisted, and the new ZXi5, ZXi5+ and ZXi7 range: https://www.golfdigest.com/story/srixon-sxi5-zxi5-plus-zxi7-irons-what-you-need-to-know 🟢 TaylorMade RAC combo irons, Ross's favourite set of all time 🟢 Mizuno Pro S-4 irons, the review that sent Colin down the rabbit hole (pitched at scratch golfers moving into single figures, so his suspicion may be right): https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/its-official-the-new-mizuno-pro-s-4-irons-prove-we-have-an-all-new-irons-category/ golfalot 🟢 Takomo Iron 101 MKII, the direct to consumer game improvement set at the top of Colin's list: https://takomogolf.com/products/iron-101-mkii 🟢 Takomo Iron 201, the players distance alternative: https://takomogolf.com/pages/iron-sets 🟢 Takomo Fitting Tool, the online quiz Colin walks through: https://takomogolf.com/pages/fitting-tool 🟢 Caley Golf, the Scottish direct to consumer brand: https://caleygolf.com 🟢 Odyssey Ai-ONE 2-Ball putter, Ross's eBay bargain: https://www.golfbidder.co.uk/odyssey-ai-one-2-ball-db-putter 🟢 Scotty Cameron putter, currently in the naughty corner: https://www.scottycameron.com 🟢 Dave Pelz, the short game guru who invented the two ball alignment idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Pelz 🟢 Lead tape, for Ross's plan to bring his wedge flight down 🟢 Banchory Golf Club: https://banchorygolfclub.co.uk 🟢 Royal Dornoch Golf Club, played by Colin and Bruce for £60 each through an open: https://royaldornoch.com 🟢 Dalmahoy Hotel & Country Club, where Ross played an open for £25: https://www.dalmahoyhotelandcountryclub.co.uk 🟢 Golspie Golf Club: https://www.golspiegolfclub.co.uk 🟢 Drumoig Golf Course, with a course report teased for next time: https://www.drumoiggolfhotel.com 🟢 Lahinch Golf Club, where Colin's dad was head greenkeeper and host of the 2026 Walker Cup: https://www.lahinchgolf.com 🟢 No Laying Up, who Ross reckons would have been all over the Lahinch connection: https://nolayingup.com 🟢 Curtis Cup 2028 at Royal Dornoch, pencilled in for some on course coverage: https://royaldornoch.com/2026/08/14/dates-revealed-for-2028-curtis-cup/ 🟢 Both Sides of Par on Instagram for practice clips, drills and Colin's new irons when they land: https://www.instagram.com/bothsidesofpar Weekly CompetitionsNo new opens this week as the season winds down, but Ross gives a reminder for the Banchory open flagged a few episodes back, and a nudge to keep using opens to play top courses for a fraction of the green fee. 🟢 Banchory Golf Club Open (as mentioned on the show) Location: Banchory, Royal Deeside, Aberdeenshire Date: Ross believes Saturday 10 October 2026 (check with the club before travelling) Cost: £30 when first featured More info: https://banchorygolfclub.co.uk 🟢 Banchory Golf Club Texas Scramble Open (the next open currently listed) Location: Banchory, Royal Deeside, Aberdeenshire Date: Saturday 24 October 2026 a...

  7. Sep 28

    How Links Golf Courses Are Designed: Bunkers, Greens and Strategy Explained

    This week Colin swaps Ross for a guest he's known his entire life: his dad. Duncan Gray started out as a greenkeeper at Gatehouse of Fleet, spent years at Lahinch, ran the Ayrshire municipal courses, then moved into designing and consulting on courses before building his own, the Pines Golf Centre in Dumfries. He's also been playing for 65 years, which is roughly 60 more than Colin has been any use at it. The pair landed a round on the Jubilee Course at St Andrews through The Drive ballot. It turned out to be the one course on the Old Course site Duncan had never played, so they sat down afterwards with a recorder. What follows is a 23 handicapper asking a course designer all the questions he's been storing up. Why do some greens feel brilliant before you've even hit the shot? How does an architect walk a bit of dune land and find the holes already hiding in it? Why does Royal Dornoch have upside-down pudding bowls for greens, what did Prestwick look like with 12 holes, and what did the Turnberry redesign get right? Duncan has opinions on all of it, including a lively one about bulldozers, fertiliser and a certain school of golf course construction. There's also the small matter of playing Turnberry once a month in the 80s for nothing. Then it's on to ranking the St Andrews courses for fun, difficulty, looks and architecture, with a verdict on whether the Old Course is actually any good or just old. Along the way there's a bunker that turns out to be three times bigger than it looks, a pod of 50 dolphins off the point at Turnberry, and 65 years of playing partners summed up in one sentence. There are no competitions this week and no Ross, who will be back next time to restore order. Episode Highlights🟢 The funnel bunker: Colin thinks he's hit a perfect 280 yard drive and only escapes the sand by about a foot. Duncan explains why links designers shape the ground so a 20 foot bunker plays like a 50 foot one, and why the fix was the club in Colin's hand. 🟢 How a designer reads a site: Duncan walks the land first and notes the natural green sites before drawing anything. He uses the Jubilee's drivable par four, with its green cut into the side of a dune, to show what that looks like when it works. 🟢 Turnberry for free: monthly rounds in the 80s with course manager George Brown, a course so quiet they had it to themselves at five in the afternoon, and the changes the group agreed it needed decades before anyone made them. 🟢 "The most boring two holes in world golf": Colin on the 1st and 18th of the Old Course, why Duncan would still pick it for fun over any of the others, and which part of that famous finish he reckons was dug out by hand. 🟢 The dolphins: a flat calm evening at Turnberry with the sun going down over Arran, and four greenkeepers standing still for ten minutes. It's Duncan's case for why golf is about more than the score. Gear & Resources Mentioned🟢 St Andrews Links, Jubilee Course. It opened in 1897, was rebuilt by Donald Steel in 1988, and the starter called it the hardest of the lot: https://standrews.com/play/courses/jubilee-course 🟢 The Drive, the St Andrews Links Trust ballot offering heavily discounted tee times to golfers living in Scotland. Details are announced through St Andrews Links: https://standrews.com 🟢 The Old Course ballot, for anyone wanting to try their luck the traditional way: https://standrews.com/old-course-ballot 🟢 The other St Andrews Links courses discussed: the Old, New, Eden, Strathtyrum and Castle, plus the former Duke's, which the Links Trust took over in January 2026 and is renaming the Craigtoun Course. 🟢 Royal Dornoch Golf Club, home of the upside-down pudding bowl greens: https://www.royaldornoch.com 🟢 Prestwick Golf Club, which recreates Old Tom Morris's original 12-hole Open layout each autumn: https://www.prestwickgc.co.uk 🟢 Western Gailes Golf Club, one of Duncan's favourites to play: https://westerngailes.com 🟢 Trump Turnberry, Ailsa Course. It's Duncan's favourite course, and was redesigned in 2016 by Martin Ebert of Mackenzie and Ebert, with a new par three 9th by the lighthouse, a par five 10th and an 11th across the bay: https://www.turnberry.co.uk 🟢 Lahinch Golf Club in County Clare, where Duncan worked for several years: https://lahinchgolf.com 🟢 Carnoustie Golf Links, scene of Jean van de Velde's 1999 collapse, in the Open Paul Lawrie went on to win: https://www.carnoustiegolflinks.com 🟢 Open history mentioned: the 1977 Duel in the Sun between Tom Watson and Jack Nicklaus at Turnberry, and Costantino Rocca holing out of the Valley of Sin at St Andrews in 1995 to force a playoff with John Daly. 🟢 Coastal links name-checked for proper sea views: Golspie, Brora, Nairn, Moray Golf Club at Lossiemouth, Prestwick St Nicholas and Royal Troon. 🟢 Walter Hagen, the actual source of the "smell the flowers along the way" line. Chapter List00:00 Intro: meet Duncan Gray 03:08 First time on the Jubilee Course 05:06 Framed greens and the par four you shouldn't hit driver on 07:57 How a course designer walks a site 13:11 Royal Dornoch's upside-down pudding bowls 15:28 Prestwick's original 12 holes 17:28 Turnberry: Duncan's favourite, and what the redesign fixed 20:53 Free golf at Turnberry and the Duel in the Sun 24:15 Is the Old Course actually any good? 25:48 Bulldozers, fertiliser and sustainable greenkeeping 32:15 Ranking the St Andrews courses for fun 37:42 The hardest course and the funnel bunker 43:11 Do looks matter? Smelling the roses 45:21 65 years of playing partners 47:46 Links courses that never see the sea 51:45 Fifty dolphins at Turnberry 52:35 Best architecture, the Castle Course and the one he'd play every day

  8. Sep 21

    What Happens When McLaren Engineers Design Golf Clubs? McLaren Golf, CEO Neil Howie

    Instagram - @bothsidesofpar What happens when one of the world's most recognisable names in Formula One and automotive engineering decides to enter the golf industry? In this special episode of Both Sides of Par, Ross sits down with Neil Howie, CEO of McLaren Golf, to discover the story behind the brand's arrival in golf and its ambitions to challenge conventional thinking in golf club design. After 27 years at Callaway, including more than two decades leading its international business, Neil thought retirement was calling. Then McLaren came knocking, offering an opportunity too interesting to turn down. From the involvement of Justin Rose and Ian Poulter to the engineering expertise of McLaren's Formula One operation, Neil takes us behind the scenes of a fascinating new chapter in golf equipment. We explore: Neil's journey from aspiring amateur golfer to senior leadership roles at some of golf's biggest equipment brands.Why McLaren decided to enter golf and what convinced Neil to come out of retirement.How McLaren's Formula One engineers are challenging traditional golf club design, including the question: does a golf shaft actually need to be round?The technology behind McLaren's new irons and the role Justin Rose has played in their development.McLaren's ambition to build a complete 14-club offering, including wedges and metalwoods.Why premium custom fitting and a concierge-style experience are central to the brand's strategy.The challenges of launching a new golf equipment company in a market dominated by established manufacturers.What's next for McLaren Golf as the brand expands its product range and international presence. Neil also shares some fascinating insights from his years in the golf industry, including why a famous brand name alone isn't enough to succeed and why McLaren is prepared to take its time getting things right. A fascinating conversation for anyone interested in golf equipment, technology, business or the people shaping the future of the game. Two golfers. Two handicaps. One obsession. Follow the hosts: Ross – @theshedisback Colin – @mcgraygolf Follow the podcast: @bothsidesofpar Listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, or visit bothpar.com.

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Both Sides of Par is a golf podcast for the millions of us battling through the middle. Colin is a high handicapper rediscovering the game after 20 years away. Ross plays off a low handicap and knows the industry inside out. Together they have honest, funny chats about what it actually takes to get better, from both ends of the handicap spectrum. If you play off anything from 10 to 25 and you're tired of tips aimed only at scratch players, this is your show. Every week covers practice that genuinely moves the needle, gear and golf tech worth your money, courses and golf trips (with a soft spot for Scotland, the home of golf and our home too!), and the amateur questions nobody else bothers to answer. Two golfers, two handicaps, one obsession. Follow along and play with us.

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