”看山是山,看山不是山,看山还是山”。 "To see mountains as mountains; to see mountains not as mountains; to see mountains still as mountains." 这是一场发生在武汉小酒馆的线下对谈,录制于 2026 年 5 月初的夜晚。几杯酒水相伴,几位设计师、从业者围坐闲谈。 This is an in-person dialogue held at a small wine bar in Wuhan, recorded on an early May evening in 2026. Over a few rounds of drinks, several designers and practitioners sat together chatting casually. 2026年5月线下访谈 主嘉宾任教于匈牙利知名欧洲高校建筑学院,拥有 25 年教学经验,近十年间他曾多次到访武汉。在与两位中国设计师的交流中,他分享了自己深耕多年的 “寂静建筑” 理念。当晚我们聊得十分宽泛:设计真正的价值是什么、国内行业 9.9 元图纸、200 元低价方案带来的恶性价格竞争;人所能进入的 “在场” 状态;以及一座缺少成片历史保护街区的城市,是否就等同于没有历史底蕴。很多话题没有提前预设,顺着聊天自然延伸。 Our main guest is a full professor at the the institute of Architecture of a prestigious Hungarian university in Europe, with 25 years of teaching experience. He has visited Wuhan numerous times over the past decade. In conversation with Chinese designers and friends, he shared his long-cultivated philosophy of "Silent Architecture". We covered a wide range of topics that night: the true value of design; the vicious price competition plaguing China’s domestic industry driven by 9.9-yuan drawing files and 200-yuan low-cost design proposals; the immersive state of "presence" one enters; and whether a city lacking large contiguous heritage conservation blocks is inherently devoid of historical depth. Not all the discussion topics were pre-planned; our conversation unfolded naturally as we talked. 寂静建筑工作坊 Workshop “Silent Architecture ” 🍻本期嘉宾主嘉宾 阿克斯·赫特博士(佩奇大学建筑学教授) 特邀嘉宾 湖北工业大学艺术设计学院 硕士生导师张倩 UAO瑞拓设计创始人&主持建筑师李涛(节目第 3 期嘉宾) 🍻GuestsMain Guest Dr Ákos Hutter DLA habil Special Guests Ms. Zhang Qian, Graduate Advisor, School of Art & Design, Hubei University of Technology Li Tao, Founder & Principal Architect of UAO RUITUO Design(Guest of our Episode 3) 阿克斯·赫特博士佩奇大学建筑学教授Dr Ákos Hutter DLA habil Full Professor,Institute of Architecture, Faculty of Engineering and IT,University of Pecs 阿克斯·赫特博士 Dr Ákos Hutter DLA habil 阿克斯·赫特博士(建筑高等博士、特许教授资格),现任匈牙利佩奇市佩奇大学建筑学教授,同时担任中国武汉湖北工业大学艺术设计学院客座教授。自 2001 年起于佩奇大学全职任教,面向本校匈牙利语授课专业、全英文国际建筑本科与硕士项目,讲授建筑基础、住宅建筑设计、公共建筑设计、室内设计、综合设计及毕业设计课程。同时,任职于马塞尔・布劳耶博士学院,担任博士生论文指导导师,主要研究方向为历史环境中的当代建筑。 Dr Ákos Hutter DLA habil is a full professor of the Institute of Architecture at the University of Pécs, Faculty of Engineering and Information Technology in Pécs, Hungary and visiting professor of School of Arts and Design at Hubei University of Technology, Wuhan, China. He has been full time faculty since 2001 at the University of Pécs where he is teaching Basics of Architecture, Residential Building Design, Public Building Design, Interior design, Complex Design and Final, Diploma Project in the Hungarian and the International, English language based BSc and MSc Architect programs. He is a thesis advisor at the Marcel Breuer Doctoral School where his main topics are the contemporary architecture in historical environment. 曾参与美国科罗拉多州丹佛大都会州立大学建筑辅修专业的课程体系建设,并分别于 2014 年、2023 至 2024 年在该校开设建筑概论、设计工作室、室内设计与建筑结构课程。 He was involved in the development of the Architecture Minor Program at the Metropolitan State University of Denver, Co, USA.His courses were Introduction to Architecture, Design Studio, Interior Design and Building Structures at the MSU Denver in 2014 and 2023 - 2024. 2015 年米兰世博会匈牙利馆《磨坊》 Expo Milan 2015 Hungarian Pavilion - “The Mill” 代表性设计作品包括佩奇大学科研中心,以及斩获奖项的 2015 年米兰世博会匈牙利馆方案。 Some selected projects from his design portfolio are the Research Centre at the University of Pécs and the award winning Hungarian Pavilion design to the Milano Expo in 2015. 🎺适合谁听• 建筑、室内与城市设计从业者及学生——尤其是正在重新思考设计价值、职业尊严与低价竞争的人。 Architects, interior and urban designers, and students — especially those rethinking the value of design, professional dignity, and the impact of low-price competition. • 设计教育者与关注设计启蒙的家长——想了解设计素养为何应从基础教育开始,以及如何用简单材料训练空间感知的人。 Design educators and parents interested in early design education — anyone curious about why design literacy should begin in primary school and how simple materials can train spatial awareness. • 对“寂静建筑”、极简空间与“当下感”感兴趣的人——想知道建筑如何让人慢下来,重新感受自身与环境。 Listeners drawn to “Silent Architecture,” minimal space, and presence — those curious about how architecture can help us slow down and reconnect with ourselves and our surroundings. • 关注城市记忆、历史保护与跨文化观察的人——想从中匈设计者的对谈中,重新认识武汉及欧洲城市经验。 Anyone interested in urban memory, heritage conservation, and cross-cultural perspectives — and in seeing Wuhan and European urban experience through a Chinese-Hungarian design dialogue. 🌐嘉宾快问快答 Q1:你眼中“设计的核心价值”是什么? What, in your eyes, is the core value of design? A:Service——服务社会。设计的本质是服务,而不是美学、形式或功能本身。 Service — service to society. Design's essence is service, not aesthetics, form, or function per se. Q2:你在 Pécs 大学教了 25 年,最让你骄傲的一门课是? After 25 years of teaching, which course are you most proud of? A:把 Simon Ungers、Louis Kahn、Peter Zumthor 的“基础空间哲学”,压缩成 10 天的低年级工作坊——让他们用一种材料(如混凝土)去“找那个最简单的空间”。 Compressing the "basic space philosophy" of Simon Ungers, Louis Kahn and Peter Zumthor into a 10-day workshop — asking students to use a single material to "find the simplest space." Q3:用“一个词”形容你的设计,你会选哪个? Use ONE word to describe your design? A:Amateur——但不是业余,而是“非常专业的业余者”,永远带着激情。 Amateur — not "unprofessional," but a "very professional amateur," forever fuelled by passion. 寂静建筑工作坊 Workshop “Silent Architecture ” 🔍时间轴04:54 10 年间最直观的两个变化:地铁线 + 新建筑The two most tangible changes in 10 years: new metro lines and new buildings 09:08 设计的核心价值,是服务——服务社会、服务人。The core value of design is service — service to society, service to people. 11:21 本地建筑设计师的回答:先生存,再谈 nice,再谈 quality,再谈 brandA local architect's answer: survival first, then nice, quality, brand 12:35 设计是为生活带来“最好的意图”Design is about adding the best intention to life 14:55 行业的“自伤”:免费出 3 套方案的旧时代The industry's “self-inflicted wound”: the old “three schemes for free” era 16:16 学生实习的真实困境:200 元 / 单方案,平台抽 50%Student internship reality: 200 yuan per design, platforms taking 50% 18:36 9.9 包邮的淘宝农村自建房设计“全屋套图”9.9-yuan “whole-house” self-build design packs on Taobao 19:26 解药:设计应从小学开始教The suggestion: design should be taught from primary school 23:51 寂静建筑的真正源头: 20 世纪现代主义建筑大师The real sources of Silent Architecture: 20th-century modernist masters 29:10 为什么选择建筑:硕士时遇到一位改变一生的匈牙利教授(“靠贵人”)Why architecture: meeting a Hungarian professor who changed his life 35:24 武汉历史感“看不见”的真正原因——不是历史短,是“结构性差异”Why Wuhan's history is “invisible” — not short history, but “structural difference” 41:47 一本被引用的书:《The Power of Now》(当下的力量)A book reference: The Power of Now 42:19 设计的至高境界——让人通过建筑感受到当下The highest state of design is letting people sense the present through a building 43:58 比“心流”更高的状态,是“在场”——骑摩托时便是这种状态Above “flow” lies “presence” — riding a motorcycle is exactly that state 48:37 用一个词形容自己的设计Describe your design in one word 51:21 禅宗三境:“看山是山,看山不是山,看山还是山”Zen three stages: “mountain is mountain, isn't mountain, again mountain” 52:03 为什么总是神采奕奕、毫无倦意?Why are you always so cheerful, never yawning? 53:00 旅行是一种治愈。新地方、新人、新想法,让你没有过去Travel is healing. 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