It's A Yes! Making It In Media

Debra Sharron and Jo Wood

The podcast to help you get hired, stay inspired, and build a successful career in the media industry. Join Jo Wood (The Media Exchange) and Debra Sharron (Media Sales Training) as they share honest conversations, answer listener questions, and offer practical career advice and insights from leaders across the media industry.

  1. Aug 28

    Brands Are Betting Billions on Social. Here's What It Means for Your Media Career

    Social media has become one of the biggest commercial opportunities in UK media, with brands spending billions across platforms and demand growing fast for sellers. Learn how to build a career in this space from Phoebe Bright, who is shaping it at one of the UK's leading social-first businesses. We're planning season three now! If there's something specific you’d like us to cover, whether that's a media channel, a specific career path or guest you'd love to hear from, let us know at hello@makingitinmedia.com Episode OverviewIn this episode of It's A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood unpack what "selling social" actually means today, from the platforms themselves to the data, talent and creative businesses that sit behind them. They're joined by Phoebe Bright, Director of Client Partnerships at Jungle Creations, who shares how one of the UK's original social-first publishers builds brand partnerships, what makes a career in social genuinely varied, and why resilience matters more than ever in a crowded market. Whether you're weighing up a move into the media industry or already selling and wondering where social fits in, this episode offers a clear, practical view of the opportunity. What This Episode CoversWhat social media actually includes, from platforms to data, talent and creative agenciesWhy social commerce is changing how brands measure return on investmentWhy delegate sales remains the best starting point before moving into socialThe rise of customer success and activation roles alongside front-line salesHow a brand partnership brief moves from pitch to delivery at a social agencyWhy community depth is beating mass reach as a commercial propositionHow AI is changing the job without replacing the people doing itThe skills and mindset employers look for when hiring into social sales YES ListDebra and Jo recommend Bounce by Matthew Syed, which challenges the idea that top performers are simply born talented. Syed draws on stories from sport, music and beyond to show that success comes from deliberate practice, the right environment and learning from setbacks. It is a valuable read for anyone in media sales who has faced rejection and wondered whether they have what it takes. Top takeout: Every pitch, every no and every piece of feedback is information that moves you forward, not proof that you are not cut out for the job. Available at major retailers Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  2. Aug 14

    Selling Adtech: How to Break In Without a Technical Background

    Adtech has become one of the best compensated and fastest-growing career paths in the UK media industry. Learn how to break into this career path from one of the leading experts in the field. Episode Overview Programmatic, DSPs, SSPs and header bidding sit at the centre of modern digital advertising. Demand for commercially minded ad tech sellers in the UK has never been higher. In this episode of It's A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood break down what ad tech actually is, what an ad tech sales role involves day to day, and why long sales cycles separate the people who thrive from the people who burn out. They are joined by Jane Wolfson, President UK and International at Captify, who moved from agency side to publishing and then into ad tech. Jane shares how her career developed, why measurement is critical to the commercial argument, and what she looks for in the people she hires. What This Episode Covers What ad tech actually is, explained without the jargonThe difference between DSPs and SSPs, and where the sales role sitsWhy technical knowledge is absolutely learnable and should not put you offWhat an ad tech account exec does, and what they are not expected to doHow to manage a nine-month sales cycle without losing momentumWhy multi-threading protects deals when client contacts move onHow cookie deprecation and changing search behaviour have reshaped the pitchWhat AI is changing about entry-level roles and everyday commercial work YES List The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People — Stephen Covey Debra and Jo recommend this for anyone juggling a full pipeline, multiple client relationships and competing deadlines. In this classic, Covey separates being busy from being effective - a point that is pertinent in commercial media where urgent tasks often crowd out important work every week. The framework is all about how you think and prioritise rather than tactics or shortcuts. For media sales professionals, the value sits in the client-facing habits. Thinking win-win reframes negotiation around mutual value. Seeking first to understand is the single most useful discipline for anyone selling a considered, complex product. Top takeout: Know what you are trying to achieve before you start, and listen to your client properly before you pitch a solution. Available at major retailers. Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  3. Jul 31

    Selling Out of Home in 2026: Why It's One of The Fastest-Growing Media Careers

    Out of home media is evolving fast, creating new opportunities for media sales professionals, commercial teams and anyone looking to build a successful career in media. Episode Overview Out of home has moved well beyond the traditional roadside poster. Digital screens, programmatic buying and retail media are reshaping how the sector is planned, bought and sold, and they are opening up new career paths for commercially minded people. In this episode of It's A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood are joined by Guy Thurlow, co-founder of Next-Gen Media, who built a fast-growing out of home business from a student venture with no industry contacts. Together they explore how the sector works, where the growth is coming from, and the skills and mindset it takes to succeed. What This Episode Covers What out of home actually means and how it fits within the wider media mixWhy digital out of home is now driving the sector’s growthHow programmatic buying makes campaigns reactiveThe three routes to market: specialist agencies, mainstream agencies and client directWhy relevance and audience understanding often matter more than creativityHow to break into an insular industry without existing contactsThe transferable, data-led skills out of home builds and where they can take your career YES List Start With Why by Simon Sinek Debra and Jo recommend this modern classic for anyone in media sales, commercial teams or leadership who wants to pitch with more impact. Simon Sinek argues that people buy the reason behind what you do before they buy the product itself, and that starting with why builds belief and trust. For sellers, it is a practical reframe for structuring pitches around the client's challenge rather than the features of a solution. Top takeout: Do not open with your product. Start with why it matters to the client, then back it up with the how and the what. Available at major retailers Watch Simon's TED TALK here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  4. Jul 17

    Retail Media in 2026: Inside a £2.7 Billion Career Opportunity

    Retail media has become one of the fastest growing parts of the UK advertising landscape, creating new commercial opportunities for anyone building a career in media. Episode OverviewIn this episode of It's A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood explore how retail media has evolved from a niche shopper marketing function into a central pillar of modern marketing plans. They unpack the formats brands are buying, the skills employers are looking for, and what it actually takes to build a commercial career in this space. Later in the episode, they're joined by Nick Ashley, Propositions and Go-To-Market Director at Tesco Media, who shares how first-party data, AI and a career spanning agency, client and media owner roles are shaping the future of retail media. What This Episode CoversWhy retail media has moved from shopper marketing to the centre of brand strategyThe full range of formats, from on-site placements to in-store screens and connected TVWhat experience actually transfers into a retail media careerWhy data literacy matters, even in roles that aren't data-ledHow Tesco Clubcard data is turned into audiences brands can act onThe practical role AI is playing in creative, targeting and self-serve platformsWhy measurement and proving incrementality remain a live industry challengeWhat it takes to manage both an advertiser and a retailer as two separate clients YES List Scoring Points and Brand is Dead, Long Live the Customer — Clive Humby Debra and Jo recommend this pair of books by Clive Humby, co-founder of Dunnhumby and one of the driving forces behind modern customer data science. Scoring Points tells the inside story of how Dunnhumby conceived, pitched and launched the Tesco Clubcard back in 1995, turning raw transaction data into one of the UK's richest customer insight ecosystems. Brand is Dead, Long Live the Customer, written in the mid-2000s, predicted the shift away from mass, untargeted advertising towards personalised, first-party customer relationships – exactly the shift retail media is built on today. Both are essential reads for anyone working in retail media, data-led sales or commercial strategy who wants to understand where the industry's current thinking actually came from. Top takeout: First-party data only becomes valuable once it's turned into insight brands can act on. Understanding that shift – from raw data to genuine customer relationships – is the blueprint behind modern retail media. Available at major retailers Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  5. Jul 3

    Why Media Agency Careers Are Evolving Faster Than Ever

    Agency careers are evolving fast, creating new opportunities for media professionals, commercial teams and anyone looking to build a successful career in media. Episode Overview: From global holding groups and specialist independents to social, Amazon and experiential agencies, the agency landscape has never been broader. At the same time, AI, automation and changing client expectations are reshaping how agencies operate, the skills they value and the career paths available to ambitious media professionals. In this episode of It’s A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood are joined by Lisa Morgan, Managing Director at Generation Media, and Sarah Chappell, Commercial Director at Guerrillascope. Together, they explore what agency life is really like, how the sector is evolving, the opportunities available across different agency types, and the commercial, strategic and storytelling skills that are becoming increasingly important for career success. What This Episode Covers: The different types of media agencies and how the sector has evolvedThe differences between working at a holding company and an independent agencyHow agencies win new business and what makes a successful pitchWhy commercial thinking and storytelling are becoming essential career skillsThe impact of AI, automation and changing client expectationsThe opportunities available for entry-level talent and future media leadersHow agency-client relationships are evolving towards more strategic partnershipsThe skills and attributes agency leaders look for when hiring and developing talent YES List Influence - Robert Cialdini Debra and Jo recommend this classic book on persuasion, decision-making and influence for anyone working in media sales, agencies, client services or commercial leadership. Drawing on decades of behavioural science research, Cialdini explores the psychological principles that shape how people make decisions, build trust and respond to ideas. From client presentations and negotiations to pitching and stakeholder management, the lessons remain highly relevant for today’s media professionals. Top takeout: People are influenced by more than logic alone. Understanding the principles behind trust, credibility and decision-making can help you communicate more effectively, build stronger relationships and gain greater buy-in for your ideas. Purchase here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  6. Jun 19

    Selling Audio and Podcasts: Skills, Trends & Career Opportunities

    Audio is evolving fast, creating new opportunities for media sales professionals, commercial teams and anyone looking to build a successful career in media. Episode Overview: From digital radio and streaming to podcasting, video content and AI, the audio landscape is changing rapidly. As brands invest more heavily in audio advertising and publishers expand their podcast offerings, demand is growing for people who understand how to sell, package and commercialise these platforms effectively. In this episode of It’s A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood are joined by Andy Goldsmith, formerly UK President of Audioboom UK, and Russell Pedrick, Managing Director of Octave at News UK. Together, they explore how the audio market is evolving, what makes podcast advertising so effective, the growing role of video and AI, and the skills media professionals need to succeed in this increasingly dynamic sector. What This Episode Covers:Why audio remains one of media’s most engaging advertising channelsHow podcast advertising differs from traditional radio advertisingWhy host-read podcast ads continue to deliver strong commercial resultsThe growing role of video in podcast discovery and monetisationHow AI is changing media sales, content creation and measurementThe skills employers are looking for in today’s audio sales professionalsWhy adaptability remains one of the most valuable career assets in media YES ListAlchemy: The Surprising Power of Ideas That Don’t Make Sense - Rory SutherlandDebra and Jo recommend this marketing and behavioural science classic for anyone working in media sales, advertising or commercial media. Rory Sutherland explores why people don’t always make decisions logically and how understanding human psychology can create more effective marketing, stronger commercial propositions and better sales conversations. Drawing on examples from advertising, branding and behavioural economics, the book challenges conventional thinking about value and highlights the importance of perception, trust and emotional connection. Top takeout: People don’t behave logically, they behave psychologically. Understanding how people think can often be more valuable than understanding what the data says. Purchase here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  7. Jun 5

    Why Events Sales is Back and Bigger Than Ever

    Discover how live events are creating new career and revenue opportunities across the media industry in 2026. Episode Overview In this episode of It’s A Yes! Making It In Media, Jo Wood and Debra Sharron explore why events sales has become one of the fastest-growing and most commercially exciting sectors in the industry. From conferences and exhibitions to awards, sponsorships and experiential partnerships, the events landscape has evolved far beyond traditional trade shows. Jo and Debra break down what modern event sales actually looks like, how media businesses are building revenue through live experiences, and why demand for commercially minded salespeople in this space continues to grow. They explore the skills required to succeed, the growing importance of networking and relationship building, and why human connection has become even more valuable in an increasingly digital world. Later in the episode, they’re joined by Colin Ennis, Divisional Sales Director of Events and Online Marketplaces at emap, who shares practical insights into building high-performing commercial teams, developing talent and creating strong sales cultures. Colin also explains why delegate sales remains one of the strongest entry points into media sales and what separates high performers from the rest. Whether you’re exploring a career in media sales or looking to sharpen your commercial skills, this episode offers a clear view into one of the industry’s biggest growth areas. What This Episode CoversWhy live events have become a major growth area for media businessesHow the events industry has evolved post-pandemicThe difference between delegate sales, exhibition sales and sponsorship salesWhy events create powerful opportunities for audience engagement and networkingHow sponsorship has evolved beyond simple logo placementWhy emotional intelligence and relationship building matter in event salesThe skills and mindset employers look for when hiring commercial talentWhy coachability and resilience are critical for career progressionHow modern sales teams are becoming more collaborative and development-focusedWhy events sales can accelerate career growth across the media industry YES List The HBR Guide to Smarter Networking — Harvard Business Review Debra recommends this practical guide for anyone who wants to feel more confident building professional relationships and navigating networking environments. Whether you’re attending industry events, meeting clients or growing your career in media, the book focuses on how to create genuine connections rather than relying on awkward small talk or forced self-promotion. Packed with actionable advice and research-backed insights, it covers everything from starting conversations and building rapport to following up effectively and developing long-term professional relationships. Top takeout: Networking is not about collecting contacts. It’s about building meaningful relationships over time and learning how to create valuable conversations with confidence. Purchase here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  8. May 22

    Selling Print & Digital Media in 2026

    Learn how print and digital media now work together and what that means for media sales careers in 2026. Episode OverviewIn this episode, Jo and Debra explore how print and digital commercial solutions are evolving in today’s UK media landscape. While digital spend continues to grow, the role of print hasn’t disappeared. Instead, it has shifted, becoming part of a broader, more integrated approach to reaching audiences. Jo and Debra break down what this means in practice, from how media owners are packaging inventory to how sellers need to position different channels. They explore the changing expectations from advertisers, the growing importance of first-party data, and why hybrid roles are now the norm for anyone building a career in media sales. Later in the episode, they’re joined by Cath Waller, Managing Director of Advertising at Immediate Media, who shares how one of the UK’s leading publishers has evolved from a print heritage into a multi-platform business spanning digital, partnerships, and experiential. Whether you’re starting out in media or looking to sharpen your commercial approach, this episode gives you a clear view of how the industry is changing and what that means for you. What This Episode CoversWhy “print vs digital” is no longer a reliable framework in media salesThe distinct roles of print (trust, attention, brand building) and digital (targeting, scale, measurement)How publishers are moving towards integrated, multi-platform commercial solutionsWhy first-party data and direct audience relationships are becoming more valuableWhat programmatic actually means in simple termsThe shift from traditional formats to native content and partnershipsHow experiential and live events are becoming part of the media mixWhat skills and mindset you need to succeed in modern media salesHow AI is likely to impact roles and opportunities in the industry YES ListWho Moved My Cheese? — Dr. Spencer Johnson Debra recommends this as essential reading for anyone working in commercial media, where change is constant and standing still is never an option. Spencer Johnson’s simple but powerful story follows four characters, two mice and two little people, as they react when their “cheese” disappears, representing the things we rely on most, whether that’s clients, budgets, opportunities, or job security. The lesson is clear: some people spot change early and adapt quickly, while others resist, complain, and wait too long to move. In media sales, where algorithms shift, budgets tighten, and client priorities change overnight, the ability to anticipate and act is everything. Top takeout: Your cheese will move. The people who succeed are the ones who stay curious, test new opportunities, and treat uncertainty as part of the job, not a problem to avoid. Ask yourself: are you moving with change, or waiting for things to go back to how they were? Purchase here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

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The podcast to help you get hired, stay inspired, and build a successful career in the media industry. Join Jo Wood (The Media Exchange) and Debra Sharron (Media Sales Training) as they share honest conversations, answer listener questions, and offer practical career advice and insights from leaders across the media industry.

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