It's A Yes! Making It In Media

Making It In Media

The podcast to help you get hired, stay inspired, and build a successful career in the media industry. Join Jo Wood (The Media Exchange) and Debra Sharron (Media Sales Training) as they share honest conversations, answer listener questions, and offer practical career advice and insights from leaders across the media industry.

  1. 1h ago

    Selling Out of Home in 2026: Why It's One of Media's Fastest-Growing Careers

    Out of home media is evolving fast, creating new opportunities for media sales professionals, commercial teams and anyone looking to build a successful career in media. Episode Overview Out of home has moved well beyond the traditional roadside poster. Digital screens, programmatic buying and retail media are reshaping how the sector is planned, bought and sold, and they are opening up new career paths for commercially minded people. In this episode of It's A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood are joined by Guy Thurlow, co-founder of Next-Gen Media, who built a fast-growing out of home business from a student venture with no industry contacts. Together they explore how the sector works, where the growth is coming from, and the skills and mindset it takes to succeed. What This Episode Covers What out of home actually means and how it fits within the wider media mixWhy digital out of home is now driving the sector’s growthHow programmatic buying makes campaigns reactiveThe three routes to market: specialist agencies, mainstream agencies and client directWhy relevance and audience understanding often matter more than creativityHow to break into an insular industry without existing contactsThe transferable, data-led skills out of home builds and where they can take your career YES List Start With Why by Simon Sinek Debra and Jo recommend this modern classic for anyone in media sales, commercial teams or leadership who wants to pitch with more impact. Simon Sinek argues that people buy the reason behind what you do before they buy the product itself, and that starting with why builds belief and trust. For sellers, it is a practical reframe for structuring pitches around the client's challenge rather than the features of a solution. Top takeout: Do not open with your product. Start with why it matters to the client, then back it up with the how and the what. Available at major retailers Watch Simon's TED TALK here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  2. Jul 17

    Retail Media in 2026: Inside a £2.7 Billion Career Opportunity

    Retail media has become one of the fastest growing parts of the UK advertising landscape, creating new commercial opportunities for anyone building a career in media. Episode OverviewIn this episode of It's A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood explore how retail media has evolved from a niche shopper marketing function into a central pillar of modern marketing plans. They unpack the formats brands are buying, the skills employers are looking for, and what it actually takes to build a commercial career in this space. Later in the episode, they're joined by Nick Ashley, Propositions and Go-To-Market Director at Tesco Media, who shares how first-party data, AI and a career spanning agency, client and media owner roles are shaping the future of retail media. What This Episode CoversWhy retail media has moved from shopper marketing to the centre of brand strategyThe full range of formats, from on-site placements to in-store screens and connected TVWhat experience actually transfers into a retail media careerWhy data literacy matters, even in roles that aren't data-ledHow Tesco Clubcard data is turned into audiences brands can act onThe practical role AI is playing in creative, targeting and self-serve platformsWhy measurement and proving incrementality remain a live industry challengeWhat it takes to manage both an advertiser and a retailer as two separate clients YES List Scoring Points and Brand is Dead, Long Live the Customer — Clive Humby Debra and Jo recommend this pair of books by Clive Humby, co-founder of Dunnhumby and one of the driving forces behind modern customer data science. Scoring Points tells the inside story of how Dunnhumby conceived, pitched and launched the Tesco Clubcard back in 1995, turning raw transaction data into one of the UK's richest customer insight ecosystems. Brand is Dead, Long Live the Customer, written in the mid-2000s, predicted the shift away from mass, untargeted advertising towards personalised, first-party customer relationships – exactly the shift retail media is built on today. Both are essential reads for anyone working in retail media, data-led sales or commercial strategy who wants to understand where the industry's current thinking actually came from. Top takeout: First-party data only becomes valuable once it's turned into insight brands can act on. Understanding that shift – from raw data to genuine customer relationships – is the blueprint behind modern retail media. Available at major retailers Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  3. Jul 3

    Why Media Agency Careers Are Evolving Faster Than Ever

    Agency careers are evolving fast, creating new opportunities for media professionals, commercial teams and anyone looking to build a successful career in media. Episode Overview: From global holding groups and specialist independents to social, Amazon and experiential agencies, the agency landscape has never been broader. At the same time, AI, automation and changing client expectations are reshaping how agencies operate, the skills they value and the career paths available to ambitious media professionals. In this episode of It’s A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood are joined by Lisa Morgan, Managing Director at Generation Media, and Sarah Chappell, Commercial Director at Guerrillascope. Together, they explore what agency life is really like, how the sector is evolving, the opportunities available across different agency types, and the commercial, strategic and storytelling skills that are becoming increasingly important for career success. What This Episode Covers: The different types of media agencies and how the sector has evolvedThe differences between working at a holding company and an independent agencyHow agencies win new business and what makes a successful pitchWhy commercial thinking and storytelling are becoming essential career skillsThe impact of AI, automation and changing client expectationsThe opportunities available for entry-level talent and future media leadersHow agency-client relationships are evolving towards more strategic partnershipsThe skills and attributes agency leaders look for when hiring and developing talent YES List Influence - Robert Cialdini Debra and Jo recommend this classic book on persuasion, decision-making and influence for anyone working in media sales, agencies, client services or commercial leadership. Drawing on decades of behavioural science research, Cialdini explores the psychological principles that shape how people make decisions, build trust and respond to ideas. From client presentations and negotiations to pitching and stakeholder management, the lessons remain highly relevant for today’s media professionals. Top takeout: People are influenced by more than logic alone. Understanding the principles behind trust, credibility and decision-making can help you communicate more effectively, build stronger relationships and gain greater buy-in for your ideas. Purchase here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  4. Jun 19

    Selling Audio and Podcasts: Skills, Trends & Career Opportunities

    Audio is evolving fast, creating new opportunities for media sales professionals, commercial teams and anyone looking to build a successful career in media. Episode Overview: From digital radio and streaming to podcasting, video content and AI, the audio landscape is changing rapidly. As brands invest more heavily in audio advertising and publishers expand their podcast offerings, demand is growing for people who understand how to sell, package and commercialise these platforms effectively. In this episode of It’s A Yes! Making It In Media, Debra Sharron and Jo Wood are joined by Andy Goldsmith, formerly UK President of Audioboom UK, and Russell Pedrick, Managing Director of Octave at News UK. Together, they explore how the audio market is evolving, what makes podcast advertising so effective, the growing role of video and AI, and the skills media professionals need to succeed in this increasingly dynamic sector. What This Episode Covers:Why audio remains one of media’s most engaging advertising channelsHow podcast advertising differs from traditional radio advertisingWhy host-read podcast ads continue to deliver strong commercial resultsThe growing role of video in podcast discovery and monetisationHow AI is changing media sales, content creation and measurementThe skills employers are looking for in today’s audio sales professionalsWhy adaptability remains one of the most valuable career assets in media YES ListAlchemy: The Surprising Power of Ideas That Don’t Make Sense - Rory SutherlandDebra and Jo recommend this marketing and behavioural science classic for anyone working in media sales, advertising or commercial media. Rory Sutherland explores why people don’t always make decisions logically and how understanding human psychology can create more effective marketing, stronger commercial propositions and better sales conversations. Drawing on examples from advertising, branding and behavioural economics, the book challenges conventional thinking about value and highlights the importance of perception, trust and emotional connection. Top takeout: People don’t behave logically, they behave psychologically. Understanding how people think can often be more valuable than understanding what the data says. Purchase here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  5. Jun 5

    Why Events Sales is Back and Bigger Than Ever

    Discover how live events are creating new career and revenue opportunities across the media industry in 2026. Episode Overview In this episode of It’s A Yes! Making It In Media, Jo Wood and Debra Sharron explore why events sales has become one of the fastest-growing and most commercially exciting sectors in the industry. From conferences and exhibitions to awards, sponsorships and experiential partnerships, the events landscape has evolved far beyond traditional trade shows. Jo and Debra break down what modern event sales actually looks like, how media businesses are building revenue through live experiences, and why demand for commercially minded salespeople in this space continues to grow. They explore the skills required to succeed, the growing importance of networking and relationship building, and why human connection has become even more valuable in an increasingly digital world. Later in the episode, they’re joined by Colin Ennis, Divisional Sales Director of Events and Online Marketplaces at emap, who shares practical insights into building high-performing commercial teams, developing talent and creating strong sales cultures. Colin also explains why delegate sales remains one of the strongest entry points into media sales and what separates high performers from the rest. Whether you’re exploring a career in media sales or looking to sharpen your commercial skills, this episode offers a clear view into one of the industry’s biggest growth areas. What This Episode CoversWhy live events have become a major growth area for media businessesHow the events industry has evolved post-pandemicThe difference between delegate sales, exhibition sales and sponsorship salesWhy events create powerful opportunities for audience engagement and networkingHow sponsorship has evolved beyond simple logo placementWhy emotional intelligence and relationship building matter in event salesThe skills and mindset employers look for when hiring commercial talentWhy coachability and resilience are critical for career progressionHow modern sales teams are becoming more collaborative and development-focusedWhy events sales can accelerate career growth across the media industry YES List The HBR Guide to Smarter Networking — Harvard Business Review Debra recommends this practical guide for anyone who wants to feel more confident building professional relationships and navigating networking environments. Whether you’re attending industry events, meeting clients or growing your career in media, the book focuses on how to create genuine connections rather than relying on awkward small talk or forced self-promotion. Packed with actionable advice and research-backed insights, it covers everything from starting conversations and building rapport to following up effectively and developing long-term professional relationships. Top takeout: Networking is not about collecting contacts. It’s about building meaningful relationships over time and learning how to create valuable conversations with confidence. Purchase here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  6. May 22

    Selling Print & Digital in 2026

    Learn how print and digital media now work together and what that means for media sales careers in 2026. Episode OverviewIn this episode, Jo and Debra explore how print and digital commercial solutions are evolving in today’s UK media landscape. While digital spend continues to grow, the role of print hasn’t disappeared. Instead, it has shifted, becoming part of a broader, more integrated approach to reaching audiences. Jo and Debra break down what this means in practice, from how media owners are packaging inventory to how sellers need to position different channels. They explore the changing expectations from advertisers, the growing importance of first-party data, and why hybrid roles are now the norm for anyone building a career in media sales. Later in the episode, they’re joined by Cath Waller, Managing Director of Advertising at Immediate Media, who shares how one of the UK’s leading publishers has evolved from a print heritage into a multi-platform business spanning digital, partnerships, and experiential. Whether you’re starting out in media or looking to sharpen your commercial approach, this episode gives you a clear view of how the industry is changing and what that means for you. What This Episode CoversWhy “print vs digital” is no longer a reliable framework in media salesThe distinct roles of print (trust, attention, brand building) and digital (targeting, scale, measurement)How publishers are moving towards integrated, multi-platform commercial solutionsWhy first-party data and direct audience relationships are becoming more valuableWhat programmatic actually means in simple termsThe shift from traditional formats to native content and partnershipsHow experiential and live events are becoming part of the media mixWhat skills and mindset you need to succeed in modern media salesHow AI is likely to impact roles and opportunities in the industry YES ListWho Moved My Cheese? — Dr. Spencer Johnson Debra recommends this as essential reading for anyone working in commercial media, where change is constant and standing still is never an option. Spencer Johnson’s simple but powerful story follows four characters, two mice and two little people, as they react when their “cheese” disappears, representing the things we rely on most, whether that’s clients, budgets, opportunities, or job security. The lesson is clear: some people spot change early and adapt quickly, while others resist, complain, and wait too long to move. In media sales, where algorithms shift, budgets tighten, and client priorities change overnight, the ability to anticipate and act is everything. Top takeout: Your cheese will move. The people who succeed are the ones who stay curious, test new opportunities, and treat uncertainty as part of the job, not a problem to avoid. Ask yourself: are you moving with change, or waiting for things to go back to how they were? Purchase here Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter to get the key insights and takeaways from each episodeJoin one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow the show on YouTubeFollow the show on SpotifyFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here DisclaimerThe views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  7. Apr 17

    From frustration to fixes: Bridging generation gaps in media

    Discover how to navigate the four-generation workplace, challenge outdated practices without seeming arrogant, and build teams that genuinely get the best out of everyone. Episode OverviewThis episode of It's A Yes! Making It In Media tackles one of the most talked-about topics in modern workplaces: generation gaps. For the first time in history, four generations are working side by side—Baby Boomers, Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z—each bringing different expectations, communication styles, and values to the table. Jo and Debra explore what this looks like inside the media industry right now, from the challenge of working in open plan offices and shared Slack channels to navigating hybrid working expectations across generations. They share practical strategies for younger professionals who want to challenge "this is how we've always done it" without seeming arrogant, and millennial managers trying to bridge the gap with Gen Z team members who have completely different expectations about promotion timelines and work-life balance. Listener questions come from Ella, age 24, who's struggling to challenge outdated practices, and Dan, a millennial manager navigating Gen Z expectations. Industry experts Claire Kearney (News UK) and Darren McKay (Alight Out of Home) share honest perspectives on what actually works—from reverse mentoring and employee networks to the truth about Gen Z stereotypes. What This Episode CoversThe four generations in today's workplace: Boomers, Gen X, Millennials, and Gen ZSetting clear expectations: what Gen Z needs to achieve before getting promotedReverse mentoring: what older generations can learn from younger colleaguesThe importance of asking questions to understand different generational valuesManaging promotion expectations: honest conversations about budgets, profits, and progressionWhat else motivates beyond money: recognition, new projects, and feeling connected to workChallenging Gen Z stereotypes: do they really lack commitment and work ethic?Why Gen Z's uncompromising attitude toward life outside work is actually admirable Guest ExpertsClaire Kearney — Head of Learning and Development at News UK Darren McKay — Commercial Director at Alight Out of Home The YES ListEat Sleep Work Repeat — Bruce Daisley (Podcast & Newsletter) This episode's recommendation is Bruce Daisley's podcast and newsletter. Bruce is former VP of Twitter Europe and has held senior roles at YouTube and Google, so he really understands fast-moving commercial environments like media. He researches what makes workplace culture genuinely work, and whether you're leading a team or part of one, there's something here for everyone. Head to eatsleepworkrepeat.com, sign up for the newsletter, and get curated insights, the latest workplace research, and Bruce's straight-talking take delivered straight to your inbox. Get In TouchThis is the final episode of Series 1! The podcast will return at the end of May with Series 2. In the meantime, the hosts would love to hear your thoughts on the podcast, including which topics you'd like them to explore in Season 2. Send your feedback and Series 2 topic suggestions to hello@makingitinmedia.com Upcoming WorkshopsDebra runs live, interactive online media sales training workshops focused on building commercial confidence and capability. Details of upcoming sessions can be found here: https://makingitinmedia.com/sales-training-courses/ Subscribe & ShareFollow the show for conversations about building a career in media, and share this episode with someone navigating generational dynamics in their workplace. Subscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get your FREE guide to the Top Media Sales Tips for 2026Join one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here About the HostsIt’s A Yes! Making It In Media is hosted by Jo Wood and Debra Sharron. Jo is Managing Director of The Media Exchange, a specialist media recruitment consultancy working closely with candidates and employers across the industry. Debra is founder of Media Sales Training, where she designs and delivers training for media sales teams, supporting professionals at every stage of their careers. Together, they combine recruitment insight and sales expertise shaped by decades of experience inside the media industry. Disclaimer: The views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

  8. Apr 3

    Getting the most from LinkedIn

    Learn how to build a powerful LinkedIn profile, create content that gets noticed, and turn digital connections into real sales conversations. Episode OverviewIn this episode of It's A Yes! Making It In Media, Jo Wood and Debra Sharron explore how LinkedIn has evolved from optional to essential—especially in a post-pandemic world where it's become the go-to place for creating connections. With over two billion accounts and only 1% of users actually posting content, there's a massive opportunity to stand out if you know what you're doing. Jo and Debra break down the fundamentals: why your profile picture matters more than you think, how to write connection requests that actually get accepted (hint: make it about them, not you), and whether you should use that green "open to work" circle. They explore the polarising debate about how personal versus professional LinkedIn should be, the mysterious algorithm that rewards engagement 15 minutes before and after you post, and why video content gets 20 times the engagement of written posts—even when you hate the sound of your own voice. Listener questions come from Liam, who's updating his profile for job hunting, and Maya, who posts regularly but gets barely any engagement. Plus, industry expert Chris Turner-Green (Technology Advice) shares how his team turns LinkedIn connections into real sales conversations by adding value in every message, comment, and opinion—not just pitching. Whether you're using LinkedIn to land your next role or generate new business, this episode delivers the strategies, tools, and mindset shifts you need to go from zero to hero. What This Episode CoversHow LinkedIn went from "what do I need that for?" to impossible to live withoutWhy LinkedIn is the only major player in its space—and what that means for usersThe commercial vs. personal debate: finding the right balance for your brandWhy posts with your photo outperform other content types (even if you hate looking at yourself)Social Selling Index (SSI) scores: measuring your LinkedIn proficiency against your sectorThe algorithm mystery: engaging 15 minutes before and after you post for maximum reachThe green "open to work" circle: why it's a no-brainer if you need a jobWhy only 1% of LinkedIn users actually create content—and how that sets you apartVideo gets 20x the engagement of written posts (but it takes you out of your comfort zone)Connection requests: the art of flattering without full-blown pitchingThe power of "you" in sales communication: flipping the script from me to youThe LinkedIn police: what happens when you connect with too many third-degree contactsTop tips for job hunters: profile pictures, correlating CV dates, skills, achievements, and recommendations Guest ExpertChris Turner-Green — MD at Technology Advice Chris explains how his team turns LinkedIn connections into real sales conversations by becoming "LinkedIn warriors" who add value in every message rather than just pitching. YES ListAtomic Habits — James Clear Debra recommends this Sunday Times bestseller as potentially the most important book for your media sales career. Clear's premise: tiny changes lead to remarkable results. Instead of "I need to completely overhaul my prospecting," you might start with "I'll make three new LinkedIn connections every morning." That's manageable, but over a year, that's 750+ new connections. Her favourite concept is habit stacking—linking new habits to existing ones, like "After I finish my morning coffee, I'll review my pipeline for 10 minutes." Top takeout: Stop relying on motivation and start building systems. Identify one small habit you can do consistently—prospecting, follow-ups, LinkedIn engagement—and make it automatic. Small habits compound into big results. More here: https://jamesclear.com/atomic-habits Get In TouchSend your questions to hello@makingitinmedia.com Upcoming WorkshopsDebra runs live, interactive online media sales training workshops focused on building commercial confidence and capability, including how to use LinkedIn effectively for business development. Details of upcoming sessions can be found here: https://makingitinmedia.com/sales-training-courses/ Subscribe & ShareFollow the show for conversations about building a career in media, and share this episode with someone navigating the recruitment process or looking to sharpen their personal brand. More from Jo & DebraSubscribe to Jo and Debra’s newsletter, to get your FREE guide to the Top Media Sales Tips for 2026Join one of Debra’s upcoming media sales workshopsFollow Jo on LinkedIn hereFollow Debra on LinkedIn here About the HostsIt’s A Yes! Making It In Media is hosted by Jo Wood and Debra Sharron. Jo is Managing Director of The Media Exchange, a specialist media recruitment consultancy working closely with candidates and employers across the industry. Debra is founder of Media Sales Training, where she designs and delivers training for media sales teams, supporting professionals at every stage of their careers. Together, they combine recruitment insight and sales expertise shaped by decades of experience inside the media industry. Disclaimer: The views shared on this podcast are for general information only and reflect personal experience. They should not be taken as specific career, legal or financial advice.

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The podcast to help you get hired, stay inspired, and build a successful career in the media industry. Join Jo Wood (The Media Exchange) and Debra Sharron (Media Sales Training) as they share honest conversations, answer listener questions, and offer practical career advice and insights from leaders across the media industry.