Dialogues in Holocaust Studies and the Second World War

Ari Barbalat

This podcast features interviews with authors of new research, fresh monographs and recent books about the Holocaust and World War II.

  1. 4d ago

    Sharon Ring, *The Innocents: The Untold True Story of My Family in the Holocaust*. New York: HarperCollins, 2026.

    Send us Fan Mail This represents a crucial new addition to Holocaust history, illuminating the lesser-known story of Mischlinge—an offensive term utilized by the Nazis to designate individuals of mixed Jewish and Christian descent, who were subsequently condemned and persecuted as Jews. This moving and dramatic true narrative is conveyed through the viewpoints of two children, the author’s uncle Heinz and her mother Edie. Heinz (Heini) and Edie Bernstein, a brother and sister, were only nine and five years old when Hitler rose to power. Although they were brought up as Christians in Berlin, they were soon classified as Mischlinge, a German term meaning mongrel—an epithet the Nazis used to legally categorize and belittle individuals. This label instilled terror in these innocent children, with the threat of death looming as they struggled for survival in Berlin. They experienced gradual exclusion from educational and employment opportunities, were interrogated at Gestapo headquarters, imprisoned, tortured, and forced into slave labor. Sharon was unaware of their remarkable story until she discovered a memoir hidden in a box in her mother’s Norfolk home, untouched for three decades. It contained her uncle Heinz’s firsthand account of events during the Holocaust and World War II, a narrative her mother had never revealed. Edie explained that she had built her joyful life by concentrating on the future rather than the past, but the discovery prompted her to finally share with her daughter. Sharon then embarked on extensive archival research, uncovering that some family members were not as fortunate. This narrative is both grand and deeply personal, detailing the experiences of an ordinary Berlin family as they navigate significant events of the twentieth century, reminiscent of a more tragic rendition of Forest Gump. It includes moments from performing at the 1936 Berlin Olympics to the atrocities of Buchenwald and Auschwitz, escape attempts, the death marches, romance in post-war London, the establishment of Israel, and crossing Checkpoint Charlie to experience both sides of the Berlin Wall. From demonstrating talent at the 1936 Berlin Olympics to facing the horrors of Buchenwald and Auschwitz, through attempts to escape, the death marches, and love in post-war London, the creation of Israel, and moving through Checkpoint Charlie to both sides of the Berlin Wall. This story is both engaging and surprisingly uplifting, filled with themes of resilience and hope, the bond between siblings, the everyday bravery of local individuals and families, as well as the unexpected kindness of strangers.

    Sharon Ring, *The Innocents: The Untold True Story of My Family in the Holocaust*. New York: HarperCollins, 2026.
  2. Aug 21

    Robert S.C. Gordon, *Modern Luck: Narratives of Fortune in the Long Twentieth Century*. London: University College London Press, 2023.

    Send us Fan Mail Across all human cultures, beliefs, superstitions, and stories about luck are prevalent. Our fascination with luck, intertwined with happiness, danger, uncertainty, and aspiration, makes it a captivating yet elusive concept. Different cultures reinterpret luck and seek to control it throughout their histories, and the modern era of the 'long twentieth century' is no different. Although overshadowed by more precise scientific concepts like chance, contingency, probability, or randomness, luck continues to thrive in its chaotic and vibrant form, appearing in our daily conversations and being studied by a diverse range of experts, from philosophers and psychologists to economists and self-help authors. This study aims to delve into the mystery of luck's role in modernity, investigating the various hybrid forms it has adopted in contemporary thought, particularly within modern narratives. By analyzing a diverse and rich array of narratives from literature, film, music, television, and theater – spanning from Dostoevsky to Philip K. Dick, from Pinocchio to Cimino, and from Curtiz to Kieślowski – it outlines the uses and meanings of luck-related language, while also mapping the significant figures, patterns, and motifs that shape the stories told about luck from the late nineteenth century to today. The final part of this interview is dedicated to Robert Gordon’s earlier work, *Outrageous Fortune: Luck and the Holocaust* (New York: Centro Primo Levi, 2017). In this book, Gordon delves into the literary and philosophical themes surrounding luck, chance, and fortune, tracing their evolution from ancient myths to the writings of Dante, Boccaccio, Machiavelli, and Shakespeare. He investigates how Christian and Renaissance humanist authors redefined Fortuna, which influenced their thought processes and narrative techniques. In the latter sections of the book, Gordon transitions to the 20th century, uncovering fascinating and surprising connections between this literary tradition and the Shoah. He addresses the troubling issue of survival in concentration camps—who lived, why they survived, and what it signifies when Primo Levi often remarked that survival was ultimately a matter of sheer chance.

    Robert S.C. Gordon, *Modern Luck: Narratives of Fortune in the Long Twentieth Century*. London: University College London Press, 2023.
  3. Aug 19

    Jacob Flaws, *Spaces of Treblinka: Retracing a Death Camp*. Lincoln, Nebraska: University of Nebraska Press, 2024.

    Send us Fan Mail This study leverages testimonies, oral histories, and recollections from Jewish, German, and Polish witnesses to construct a comprehensive representation of the Treblinka death camp during its operational years. This narrative disputes the historical belief that Treblinka was a solitary Nazi extermination camp with few witnesses and even fewer survivors. Instead of being the concealed, sanitized site of industrialized murder that Treblinka was designed to be, Jacob Flaws argues that the mass killings were widely recognized by the local townspeople, who were exposed to the sights, sounds, smells, individuals, corpses, and train cars that the camp released into the surrounding area. Through the concept of spatial reality, Flaws depicts the perceptions, fantasies, ideological assumptions, and memories of Treblinka from witnesses both within the camp and from the surrounding towns. To do this, he identifies six key spaces that historically made up Treblinka: the ideological space, the behavioral space, the space of life and death, the interactional space, the sensory space, and the extended space. By examining these spaces, Flaws reveals that there were more witnesses to Treblinka than previously acknowledged, as the transnational groups near and within the camp overlapped and interacted. This work offers a staggering and profound reassessment of the relationship between knowledge and ignorance, prompting us to confront the timely warning that we, in our modern, interconnected world, can all become witnesses.

    Jacob Flaws, *Spaces of Treblinka: Retracing a Death Camp*. Lincoln, Nebraska: University of Nebraska Press, 2024.

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This podcast features interviews with authors of new research, fresh monographs and recent books about the Holocaust and World War II.