David has a delightful conversation with Jehanne Dubrow about her latest books, a poetry collection entitled Civilians and a craft resource called The Wounded Line: A Guide to Writing Poems of Trauma. Poem One: “My Husband’s Father” From Civilians Louisiana State University Press, 2025, read by David Poem Two: “Civilians,” a villanelle, one of the title poems of the book, read by Jehanne Poem Three: “Self Portrait as a Psychopomp,” read here by Jehanne. Written by Lindsay Lusby as it appears in The Wounded Line: A guide to Writing Poems of Trauma (University of Mexico Press, 2025), used by permission of the author and the poet. Links: The poem “Civillian.” Lindsay Lusby's website. To order Jehanne’s books click here. Jehanne's Bio: Jehanne Dubrow is the author of ten books of poems, including most recently, Civilians (Louisiana State University Press, 2025), and three books of creative nonfiction, throughsmoke: an essay in notes (New Rivers Press, 2019), Taste: A Book of Small Bites (Columbia University Press, 2022), and Exhibitions: Essays on Art & Atrocity (University of New Mexico Press, 2023). Her previous poetry collections are Wild Kingdom, Simple Machines, American Samizdat, Dots & Dashes, The Arranged Marriage, Red Army Red, Stateside, From the Fever-World, and The Hardship Post. She has co-edited two anthologies, The Book of Scented Things: 100 Contemporary Poems about Perfume and Still Life with Poem: Contemporary Natures Mortes in Verse. Her craft book, The Wounded Line: A Guide to Writing Poems of Trauma, was published by the University of New Mexico Press in 2025. Jehanne’s fourth book of creative nonfiction, Frivolity: A Defense, is forthcoming from Columbia University Press. Jehanne’s poems have appeared in POETRY, Ploughshares, Prairie Schooner, Southern Review, Alaska Quarterly Review, American Life in Poetry, The New York Times Magazine, The Slowdown, The Academy of American Poets, as well as on Poetry Daily, Verse Daily, and in numerous other venues. Recent essays have appeared in The New England Review, Colorado Review, Lilith, The Writer’s Chronicle, Poets & Writers, and Literary Hub. She is the founding editor of the national literary journal, Cherry Tree. For more about Jehanne and her work, click here. Text the show!