Kate Assaraf spent almost two decades inside the beauty industry before she founded Dip, and what she saw there stuck with her: before-and-after photos timestamped to meet regulations, with Botox quietly filling the gap the rules didn't cover; hair-growth claims stamped on rinse-off shampoo bars that, by definition, can't grow hair. She's not vindictive about it, she says — she'd rather build something honest than report anyone to the FTC. That something is Dip, a plastic-free shampoo and conditioner bar company built less around a single "sustainable" product and more around rethinking nearly every assumption behind how beauty products get made, packaged, marketed, and — crucially — how often you're asked to buy more of them. In this conversation with Janet Kraus and Ally Giebutowski, mother and daughter, Kate explains why a conditioner bar designed to last a full year isn't a bug in Dip's business model but the whole point, even though it means she sells less and makes less than a company built on repeat purchases. She walks through the "trust recession" — a consumer landscape worn down by fake reviews, AI-generated content, and knockoff "sustainable" marketing — and makes an unexpectedly nuanced case for synthetic fragrance over essential oils, plus a warehouse of 40,000 landfill-bound plastic bottles she rescued rather than let go to waste. She closes with her own litmus test for sustainable living: conservation, not consumerism. In This Episode: Nearly 20 years in the beauty industry, and the marketing tricks she saw over and over: Botox-filled "before and afters" and hair-growth claims on products that legally can't make them Why unsubstantiated hair-growth claims on shampoo and conditioner are a drug claim, not a beauty claim — and who that hurts most Founding and closing her first company, and what it taught her about refill store owners as the "truth tellers" of a digitally dishonest industry Why Dip is built to be bought once a year instead of once a month, and how that against-the-grain model still works (one independently owned refill store has sold over $200,000 of Dip) The "trust recession": bot-written reviews, AI-generated influencer content, and why Kate argues shopping in person is how consumers take their power back Rescuing 40,000 landfill-bound plastic bottles for Dip's "Secret Sauce" scalp spray — and why she trademarked the joke name "Deadstock" The case for synthetic fragrance over essential oils: the land, pesticide, and biomass cost of "natural" that most consumers never hear about Why "purity tests" in the sustainability movement do more harm than good, and her case for meeting people where they are instead of finger-wagging them out of the movement "Conservation, not consumerism" — Kate's litmus test for whether you're a consumer of a place or a steward of it About Kate Assaraf Kate Assaraf is the founder and CEO of Dip, a company making salon-quality, plastic-free shampoo and conditioner bars after nearly 20 years working inside the traditional beauty industry. Dip is sold almost exclusively through independent and refill stores across the U.S. and Canada, and Kate has been recognized with the 2022 Beauty Design Award for Doing Good For The Planet. Be part of the Bluedot Living community At Bluedot Living, we imagine if people were actually making progress on climate change—because they actually are. Each episode of Bluedot Living Podcast shares stories of people, policies, and projects that prove your choices matter, from micro decisions at home to macro shifts in law and industry. If you want to explore our recipes, products for your home and lifestyle, and read interesting stories, you can find us BluedotLiving.com For daily inspiration you can follow us @Bluedotliving on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bluedotliving/
