What if the coming “disclosure” isn’t really about aliens? What if what we’re watching emerge is something much older — dressed in technological language for a modern world? Paul Bock is a retired Green Beret, husband, father, and author of The Disclosure Agenda. After years spent investigating the UAP/NHI phenomenon, Paul came to believe that what is often presented as extraterrestrial contact may be inseparable from an ancient spiritual battle over truth, worship, deception, and ultimately, who we believe God is. And this conversation goes deep. We get into UAP disclosure, non-human intelligence, remote viewing, CE5 and contact practices, channeling, psychedelics, New Age spirituality, ancient gods, the occult, spiritual warfare, and the strange religious framework beginning to form around the phenomenon. Paul's argument isn't simply, “aliens are demons.” It's that something resembling a new religion is taking shape — complete with its own messengers, revelation, spiritual practices, cosmology, and promises about humanity's future. And that raises a much more important question: What if the greatest deception isn't convincing us that something exists — but convincing us to worship, follow, or surrender ourselves to the wrong thing? This one also gets personal. I spent years wandering outside Christianity myself — through yoga, esoteric spirituality, oracle work, channeling and experiences that felt very real and, at times, very good. Paul and I talk about why “it felt good” isn't necessarily a reliable test of whether something is good, and why discernment becomes increasingly important in a culture hungry for spiritual experience. But for all the talk about aliens, Satan and disclosure, we ultimately bring this conversation back where it belongs: What does any of this require of us as men? Lead your family. Know Scripture. Pray with your wife and children. Serve them. Develop discernment. And become the kind of man capable of standing firm when the world around you becomes increasingly difficult to understand. Because whatever comes next, our families need men who know Who they belong to. READ1 – The Bible 😆 Seriously. Read it. I'd start with Genesis, the Gospels, Ephesians 6, and 1 John 4:1–6. 2 – Paul Bock — The Disclosure Agenda PATRIARCH // SEPTEMBER 11–13This conversation is part of the larger work we're doing through PATRIARCH: reviving fatherhood, family & moral leadership by strengthening men across the fronts of self, marriage, fathering, finances, leadership and faith. 9 men. 3 days. 1 mission. If you're on fire for your family and want to become better equipped to lead them through the world ahead: PATRIARCH // September 11–13, 2026 SUPPORT THE WORK // BECOME A PRODUCERThis is value-for-value. If this conversation gave you something useful, you can help keep the work going with your time, talent or treasure. Send $5+ via Venmo to @robertbilljr and I'll add your name as a Producer of the show — a legitimate production credit you can add to IMDb or LinkedIn. If you can't contribute financially, share the episode with one man who needs to hear it. That's value too. // Godspeed x Rob
