12 Steps to Success: Navigating change, uncertainty, and what comes next

Eric Mackay
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What happens when the old definitions of success stop working? 12 Steps to Success is a long-form podcast about identity, purpose, burnout, and the messy, uncertain middle of building a life and career. It explores moments of transition, pressure, reinvention, and recovery, especially when clarity disappears and familiar paths no longer fit. Hosted by Eric Mackay, a senior music industry executive, founder, author, and recovering perfectionist, the show sits between success stories and self-help. These are not highlight reels or tidy frameworks. They are honest conversations with artists, founders, executives, creatives, and operators who have built things, lost things, walked away from roles that looked perfect on paper, and had to rethink who they were along the way. Each episode examines themes including identity, leadership, burnout, sobriety, creativity, pressure, and the quiet recalibrations that happen when life does not go to plan. The focus is not on how people made it, but on how they kept going when certainty disappeared. Eric is not a neutral interviewer. He brings his own lived experience into the room, asking better questions, challenging assumptions, and staying with discomfort rather than rushing to resolution. The tone is reflective, occasionally funny, sometimes raw, and deliberately unscripted. This is a podcast for people in transition. For anyone questioning success, navigating change, or trying to build something meaningful without losing themselves in the process. New episodes are released weekly during each season, with breaks between seasons. Learn more at twelvestepstosuccess.com and on Instagram @twelvestepstosuccess.

Episodes

  1. Identity, Pressure, and Reinvention: Season 1 Highlights (with Eric Mackay)

    MAR 24

    Identity, Pressure, and Reinvention: Season 1 Highlights (with Eric Mackay)

    This final episode of Season 1 steps back from the individual conversations and looks at what emerged across the season as a whole. What became clear is that despite very different backgrounds, guests kept arriving at the same questions. Identity, pressure, belonging, reinvention, and what happens when the version of you that got you here no longer fits your life. This is not a typical highlights episode. It is not built around the loudest moments or neat takeaways, but the ones that pointed to something deeper. Across this episode, you will hear reflections from conversations with Marni Wandner, Mo Hiromoto, Christopher Brereton, Nyeesha D. Williams, Brian Recker, Lauren Blitzer-Wright, Jean Gomes, Spenser Liszt, Dr. Chelsey Green, and Moira Carmenate. Taken together, these conversations form a bigger picture. Not of what success is supposed to look like, but how people actually live with it, question it, and outgrow it. This episode explores the patterns underneath the stories: identity, pressure, belonging, reinvention, and the slower work of becoming more honest about what matters. Alongside this podcast, I’ve been writing a book, 12 Steps to Success: Finding Your Purpose, which explores these themes in a more structured way. What comes up in the conversation - Identity beyond roles - Pressure and performance - Belonging and walking away - Reinvention as a messy process - Community and honesty - Discomfort as the start of clarity Links & resources Marni Wandner: https://marniwandner.com Mo Hiromoto: https://www.mohiromoto.com Christopher Brereton: https://christopherbrereton.com Nyeesha D. Williams: https://www.nyeeshawilliams.com Brian Recker: https://www.brianrecker.com Lauren Blitzer-Wright: https://www.lonewolvesclub.co/ Jean Gomes: https://londonspeakerbureau.com/speaker-profile/jean-gomes/ Spenser Liszt: https://www.motifplanning.com Dr. Chelsey Green: https://www.chelseygreen.com Moira Carmenate: https://www.almoyra.com 12 Steps to Success: Finding Your Purpose Pre-order: https://amzn.to/4d3pNDN About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay. Honest conversations about change, identity, and rebuilding without false certainty. Stay connected https://twelvestepstosuccess.com https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    17 min
  2. Resilience, Reinvention, and the Refusal to Stay Down (ft. Moira Carmenate)

    MAR 17

    Resilience, Reinvention, and the Refusal to Stay Down (ft. Moira Carmenate)

    This conversation with Moira Carmenate is slightly unusual for the podcast, because Moira isn’t just the guest. She’s also my mum. Recording this episode felt a little like opening a family archive that probably should have stayed closed. Behind the stories, though, is a mindset that shaped much of how I think about resilience and getting back up when things fall apart. Moira grew up in Scotland under extremely difficult circumstances and lost the only stable figure in her life by the age of seventeen. From there she rebuilt repeatedly. She ran a hotel in her twenties, escaped an abusive marriage with two young children, started again from nothing, and eventually built a successful career in financial services where she became one of the few women in senior leadership roles at the time. Later in life she reinvented herself again, launching businesses, consulting across Europe, and eventually relocating to Spain where she now runs a company focused on later-life planning and funeral services for expatriates. This conversation isn’t really about the résumé. It’s about mindset. When things go wrong, you have two choices: roll over and play dead, or get up and fight. What comes up in the conversation In this episode, we talk about: Losing stability at a young age and learning self-reliance early Escaping an abusive relationship and starting again with two young children Building a career in financial services in a male-dominated industry The mindset required to rebuild your life multiple times Why failure is information rather than identity Reinventing yourself later in life and moving countries Working in the funeral and later-life planning industry with empathy and purpose About Moira Carmenate Moira Carmenate is an entrepreneur, later-life planning specialist, and founder of Almoyra and White Doves Funeral Planning in Spain. After building a career in financial services and consulting across Europe, she relocated to Spain where she created a service supporting expatriates with wills, funeral planning, and end-of-life preparation. She is also the author of In a Mental Fog, a book designed to help people eliminate mental fog, ask themselves honest questions, and take greater control of their lives. Links & Resources Moira’s website - https://www.almoyra.com Expat Lifestyle Centre - https://www.expatlifestyle.es White Doves Funeral Planning - https://www.whitedovs.es Moira’s book (In A Mental Fog) - https://amzn.to/4seRWMO About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and reinvention. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving forward without false certainty. Stay connected Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    52 min
  3. Legacy, Joy, and the Work of Not Fighting Alone (ft. Dr. Chelsey Green)

    MAR 10

    Legacy, Joy, and the Work of Not Fighting Alone (ft. Dr. Chelsey Green)

    This conversation with Dr. Chelsey Green is about legacy, but not in the polished, career-summary sense of the word. It’s about what we build day to day, what we protect, who we make space for, and what happens when responsibility gets heavy. Chelsey is a classically trained string player, educator, community builder, and Chair of the Recording Academy. What stayed with me most in this conversation was how openly she talks about the emotional cost of perfectionism, the tension between individuality and belonging, and the way community has repeatedly been the thing that brought her back to herself. We talk about growing up in Houston in a deeply musical family, the freedom she found in church music, the restrictions of formal classical training, and the way education shaped her desire to become the kind of teacher she never always had. We also get into identity, representation, what it means to walk into rooms as “the inclusion,” and how she thinks about serving 26,000 members through her work with the Academy. But underneath all of it is a simpler truth: you do not have to fight alone. What comes up in the conversation In this episode, we talk about: The tension between formal classical training and personal expression What community, sisterhood, and chosen support systems make possible The emotional cost of perfectionism and always having something to prove Depression after achievement, and the community that helped her through it Representation, responsibility, and leading as the first Black woman to chair the Recording Academy Why legacy is less about status and more about what you make possible for other people About Dr. Chelsey Green Dr. Chelsey Green is a Billboard-charting recording artist, educator, and Chair of the Recording Academy’s Board of Trustees, the first Black woman and youngest person ever to hold the role. A Houston native, she is also an Associate Professor at Berklee College of Music and a leading advocate for music education, access, and equity. As bandleader of Chelsey Green and The Green Project, she blends classical training with jazz, R&B, soul, and funk, and has performed with artists including Stevie Wonder, Lizzo, Ledisi, Maxwell, and Kirk Franklin. Website: www.chelseygreen.com Instagram: @drchelseygreen About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and redefinition. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving without false certainty. Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    51 min
  4. Money, Identity, and the Cost of Avoidance (ft. Spenser Liszt)

    MAR 3

    Money, Identity, and the Cost of Avoidance (ft. Spenser Liszt)

    This conversation with Spenser Liszt is about money. But not in the “optimize your portfolio” sense. It’s about identity. Shame. Performance. And what happens when your external success doesn’t match how you feel internally. Spenser went from a 17-year career as a professional musician to becoming a Certified Financial Planner. Along the way, he had to separate money from music to heal his relationship with both. We talk about growing up around bankruptcy and scarcity, the pressure to prove people wrong, the hidden financial instability behind creative careers, and why so many high performers avoid looking directly at their numbers. We also explore values, mortality, artistic freedom, and why clarity around what matters makes decisions less complicated than we think. This isn’t a conversation about getting rich. It’s about getting honest. What comes up in the conversation In this episode, we talk about: Growing up with scarcity and how early money stories shape identity The hidden financial instability inside creative industries Why making money from your art can quietly damage your relationship with it The moment avoidance stops working How separating income from identity can create freedom Why knowing your values leads to clearer decisions Status games, shame, and the performance of success Reframing retirement as artistic freedom Mortality, time, and what actually matters About Spenser Liszt Spenser Liszt, CFP® is a holistic financial life planner and founder of Motif Planning, a firm helping music executives make confident financial decisions rooted in their values and long-term goals. After a 17-year career as a professional musician touring and recording nationally, he transitioned into financial planning and now supports senior professionals across the music business through personalised advice. He also provides free financial education and pro bono planning to those facing financial hardship. Website: www.motifplanning.com About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and redefinition. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving without false certainty. Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    47 min
  5. Leaders Worth Believing In: Agency, Accountability, and the Mindset Economy (ft. Jean Gomes)

    FEB 24

    Leaders Worth Believing In: Agency, Accountability, and the Mindset Economy (ft. Jean Gomes)

    This conversation with Jean Gomes is about what it means to stay human when leadership, work, and technology keep pushing us toward speed, cynicism, and performance. We start with agency, not “positive thinking,” but the practical kind: choosing how you show up, what you feed, and what you participate in. From there, we get into the stories we’re sold about success (and why so many of them collapse in real life), what “leaders worth believing in” actually means, and why accountability has a physical and emotional foundation, not just an intellectual one. We also talk about AI, tech culture, and the way “existential fear” can be used to numb people into passivity. Jean shares why the real advantage in an AI-first world isn’t efficiency, it’s mindset, embodied intelligence, imagination, and moral ambition. What comes up in the conversation In this episode, we talk about: - Why “agency” is getting harder to hold onto and why it still matters - The gap between business-school success stories and what actually happens inside change - Leadership archetypes and why charisma without moral centre is a dead end - Why your body is part of your brain and what embodied intelligence changes - The Mindset Economy: what becomes valuable when machines can think - AI narratives, power concentration, and the risk of learned futility - Polarisation at work, ideology vs values, and what it costs to stay quiet - Reclaiming a “both-and” mindset in a world addicted to binary thinking - Building a healthier relationship with your future self About Jean Gomes Jean Gomes is a New York Times best-selling author and an advisor to hundreds of CEOs, focused on applying the science of mindset to leadership, wellbeing, and organisational agility. He is part of the research-based consultancy Outside, and co-host of The Evolving Leader and The Mindset Economy podcasts. Since April 2024, Jean has been Professor of Practice at UCL Global Business School for Health. He co-authored the New York Times bestseller The Way We’re Working Isn’t Working, and his book Leading in a Non-Linear World explores how to build mindsets for uncertainty. Jean also writes the newsletter The Mindset Monthly. Links & resources Jean’s Speaker Profile (London Speaker Bureau): https://londonspeakerbureau.com/speaker-profile/jean-gomes/ Jean’s newsletter (Mindset Monthly / The Mindset Economy on LinkedIn): https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/mindset-monthly-7001265313933619201/ About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and redefinition. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving without false certainty. Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    52 min
  6. When the Pack Disappears: Community and Building Something That Lasts (ft. Lauren Blitzer-Wright)

    FEB 17

    When the Pack Disappears: Community and Building Something That Lasts (ft. Lauren Blitzer-Wright)

    This conversation with Lauren Blitzer-Wright centres on what happens when the community you relied on suddenly disappears - and what it takes to rebuild connection without losing yourself in the process. We talk about growing up in New York and learning early that even the biggest cities can feel intimate when you find your people. Lauren reflects on building a career in music, creating culture inside corporate environments, and what it felt like to leave a company after more than a decade and realise her identity had been tied to one room. There is a recurring thread throughout this episode around control versus presence. Between micromanaging outcomes and allowing life to unfold. Between staying inside safe systems and choosing to build something new. We also talk openly about LGBTQ+ family, legal adoption, safety, and what it means to raise children in a world that feels uncertain. This conversation isn’t about success in the traditional sense. It’s about accountability, belonging, and the quiet strength of showing up for each other. What comes up in the conversation In this episode, we talk about: Growing up in 1980s and 90s New York and finding community inside chaosThe difference between control and presenceCareer identity and what happens when you leave a company after 12+ yearsStarting Lone Wolves and rebuilding connection after layoffsMentorship, generosity, and paying support forwardLGBTQ+ family, legal adoption, and protecting your childrenAccountability and having the conversations you’d rather avoid About Lauren Blitzer-Wright Lauren Blitzer-Wright has spent over 15 years in the music industry, working across brand, marketing, and business development. She is also the co-founder of Lone Wolves, a community built to reconnect music industry professionals navigating layoffs and transition. Earlier in her career, Lauren wrote Same Sex in the City and worked in nonprofit advocacy with GLSEN, supporting LGBTQ+ youth. She lives in New York with her wife and their twin boys. Links & resources Lauren on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lulu_blitzer/ Lone Wolves on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lonewolvescommunity/ Lone Wolves website: https://www.lonewolvesclub.co/ Buy Same Sex in the City on Amazon: https://a.co/d/09CoGnWe About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and redefinition. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving without false certainty. Stay connected Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    48 min
  7. When Your Belief System Breaks: Identity, Fear, and the Way Back to Love (ft. Brian Recker)

    FEB 10

    When Your Belief System Breaks: Identity, Fear, and the Way Back to Love (ft. Brian Recker)

    This conversation with Brian Recker centres on what happens when the belief system you built your life around no longer feels honest or humane. We talk about growing up inside fear based religion, the cost of belonging to high control systems, and what it means to start questioning ideas that once felt untouchable. Brian reflects on the quiet tension of knowing something is harmful while still being afraid to let it go, and the emotional fallout that can follow when identity, community, and certainty begin to unravel. There is a recurring thread throughout this episode around fear versus compassion. Between belief as control and belief as care. Between inherited frameworks and the slow work of rebuilding a way of living that puts humanity first. Rather than arguing for or against religion, this conversation stays with the experience of deconstruction and the patience required to find meaning without coercion or shame. What comes up in the conversation In this episode, we talk about: Growing up inside fundamentalist Christianity and separation from the world The loss of belonging that often comes with changing your mind Fear as a tool of control, and how it shapes identity and behaviour Deconstruction, grief, and the “death of a dream” Rebuilding faith, values, and community without fear Choosing compassion over certainty About Brian Recker Brian Recker is a writer, speaker, and public theologian exploring Christian spirituality beyond fear, shame, and exclusion. He spent eight years as an evangelical pastor before stepping away to re-examine faith, power, and belonging through a more humane and inclusive lens. Brian is the author of Hell Bent: How the Fear of Hell Holds Christians Back from a Spirituality of Love, and shares his work online through writing, teaching, and community conversations focused on deconstruction, compassion, and change. Links & resources Brian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/berecker/ Brian’s website: https://www.brianrecker.com/ Hell Bent by Brian Recker (affiliate link): https://amzn.to/3Zt4LGy About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and redefinition. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving without false certainty. Stay connected Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    52 min
  8. When Things Fall Apart and You Have to Rebuild (ft. Nyeesha D. Williams)

    FEB 3

    When Things Fall Apart and You Have to Rebuild (ft. Nyeesha D. Williams)

    This conversation with Nyeesha D. Williams explores what happens when the structures you’ve relied on begin to fall apart, and the work required to rebuild without rushing to make sense of it too quickly. We talk about setbacks and how disorienting they can feel when the path you were on suddenly stops making sense. About loss, disruption, and the pressure to keep moving forward even when you’re unsure what you’re rebuilding toward. Nyeesha reflects on moments where certainty disappeared, plans unraveled, and the focus shifted from outcomes to honesty about where she really was. There is a recurring theme in this episode around rebuilding without performance. Around resisting the urge to frame difficulty as growth too quickly, and instead allowing space for grief, recalibration, and quieter forms of resilience. Rather than searching for neat lessons, this conversation stays with the reality of rebuilding slowly and with integrity when things do not go to plan. What Comes Up In the Conversation: In this episode, we talk about: - Navigating setbacks without rushing to reframe them - The emotional cost of holding things together when they are already breaking - Rebuilding identity and direction after disruption - Leadership in moments of uncertainty and loss - Finding steadiness again without pretending clarity has arrived About Nyeesha D. Williams: Nyeesha D. Williams is a leader, operator, and community builder working at the intersection of purpose, culture, and connection. Her work focuses on creating spaces where people can be honest about where they are, particularly during periods of change, disruption, and transition. She is the founder of The HAUS, a membership-based community designed to support people navigating growth and leadership without pressure to perform certainty or resilience before they are ready. Links & Resources: Website: https://www.nyeeshawilliams.com LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram: @nyeeshad The HAUS: https://www.jointhehaus.com Instagram: @jointhehaus About the Podcast: 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and redefinition. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving without false certainty. Stay Connected: Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    45 min
  9. When Momentum Stops Feeling Like Progress (ft. Chris Brereton)

    JAN 27

    When Momentum Stops Feeling Like Progress (ft. Chris Brereton)

    This conversation with Christopher Brereton centres on what happens when the identity you built your life around no longer fits as cleanly as it once did. We talk about momentum and how easily it can turn into something you hide behind. About being known for a particular role, skill, or output, and the quiet unease that can surface when you realise you are still moving, still producing, but no longer sure who that movement is really serving. Christopher reflects on moments where forward motion stopped feeling like progress and started to feel like avoidance. There is a recurring tension in this episode between building and becoming. Between the satisfaction of creating systems, companies, and portfolios, and the harder work of asking what kind of life those systems are meant to support. Rather than chasing reinvention, this conversation stays with the discomfort of re examination and the patience required to let a more honest direction emerge. What comes up in the conversation In this episode, we talk about: Momentum as both a strength and a defence mechanismIdentity beyond titles, roles, and outputThe pressure to keep building even when direction feels unclearA portfolio mindset applied to work and lifeSlowing down long enough to ask harder questions about impact About Christopher Brereton Christopher Brereton is a fractional product and operations leader working at the intersection of product, energy, health, and long term impact. His work is guided by a portfolio mindset and a clear purpose of amplifying positive impact for people and the planet. Christopher currently leads energy management systems work at MARA and serves as Head of Portfolio Acceleration at MOHARA. He is the founder of Product Hang Partners and is building The Folder, a platform rethinking estate planning as a living system rather than a static document. Links & resources: Website: https://christopherbrereton.comProduct Hang Partners: http://producthang.com/MARA: http://mara.com/MOHARA: http://mohara.co/ About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and redefinition. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving without false certainty. Stay connected Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.comInstagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    48 min
  10. You Can’t Rush Clarity (ft. Mo Hiromoto)

    JAN 20

    You Can’t Rush Clarity (ft. Mo Hiromoto)

    This conversation with Mo Hiromoto sits inside a familiar but often unspoken place. Knowing that something needs to change, without yet having language for what that change looks like. We talk about what happens when momentum keeps you moving but leaves little room to listen. About staying busy, staying capable, staying productive, while slowly losing contact with what you actually want. Mo reflects on the experience of quieting the noise, not to arrive at quick clarity, but to make space for it to emerge in its own time. There is a strong thread in this conversation around patience. With yourself. With the process. With the uncertainty that comes before decisions feel solid. Rather than chasing outcomes, we spend time on what it means to notice signals, question inherited expectations, and resist the urge to rush forward just to feel resolved. This episode lives in that in-between space, where nothing is fully formed yet, but something is clearly asking for attention. What comes up in the conversation In this episode, we talk about: Why clarity cannot be rushed, and what happens when you tryStaying stuck out of fear, even when movement feels necessaryLearning to listen beneath noise, obligation, and expectationFirst generation wellness and the work of changing patternsCreating space for joy without treating it as something to earn About Mo Hiromoto Mo Hiromoto is a wellness coach and educator whose work focuses on self awareness, intentional change, and helping people reconnect with what matters to them when navigating transition or uncertainty. Links & resources: First Generation Wellness:https://www.firstgenerationwellness.com/Website: https://www.mohiromoto.comBio site: https://bio.site/mohiromoto Connect with Mo: Instagram: @mohiromotoTikTok: @mohiromoto_YouTube: @mohiromotoEmail: mo@mohiromoto.com About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and redefinition. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving without false certainty. Stay connected Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.comInstagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    54 min
  11. When Burnout Arrives Quietly (ft. Marni Wandner)

    JAN 13

    When Burnout Arrives Quietly (ft. Marni Wandner)

    This conversation with Marni Wandner explores what happens when burnout does not arrive as a breaking point, but as a slow erosion. We talk about creative ambition, responsibility, and the quiet ways people lose themselves while trying to be useful, capable, and reliable. Marni reflects on building a career in an industry that is supposed to generate joy, and the moment she realised that something essential was missing, even though everything looked fine on the surface. There is a lot of honesty in this episode about resistance to change, the fear of not knowing what comes next, and the tendency to override internal signals in order to keep moving. Rather than framing burnout as failure, this conversation treats it as information, something asking to be listened to rather than pushed through. It is a thoughtful discussion about agency, identity, and learning how to notice when the way you are working no longer matches the life you want to be living. What comes up in the conversation In this episode, we talk about: Burnout that develops gradually rather than dramaticallyResistance to change and uncertainty about directionCreativity, pressure, and responsibility in the music industryLearning to listen to internal signals rather than override themRedefining usefulness and success on your own terms About Marni Wandner Marni Wandner works with individuals navigating stress, burnout, and career transitions, particularly in high pressure and creative environments. Her work focuses on helping people build sustainable ways of working without losing themselves in the process. Links & resources: Website: https://marniwandner.comInstagram: https://instagram.com/marniwandnerInstagram: https://instagram.com/futurepresentco If you are interested in speaking with Marni about stress management, burnout, career transitions, or thriving in high pressure environments, you can schedule a free call here: https://calendly.com/marniwandner/free-consult-call About the podcast 12 Steps to Success is a podcast about what happens when the path you were on stops making sense. Hosted by Eric Mackay, the show centres on honest conversations with people navigating change, pressure, identity shifts, recovery, and redefinition. These are not success stories or instruction manuals, but real conversations about how people live inside uncertainty and keep moving without false certainty. Stay connected Website: https://twelvestepstosuccess.comInstagram: https://instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    49 min
  12. Trailer: The Messy Middle — Purpose, Identity & Redefining Success (with Eric Mackay)

    SEASON 1 TRAILER

    Trailer: The Messy Middle — Purpose, Identity & Redefining Success (with Eric Mackay)

    What happens after the big win - or before anything makes sense? 12 Steps to Success isn’t a podcast about polished success stories or highlight reels. It’s a series of honest conversations about the messy middle - the moments where identity shifts, certainty disappears, and you keep going anyway. Hosted by Eric Mackay, this podcast explores purpose, pressure, identity, recovery, leadership, and change through real conversations with founders, creatives, executives, and builders who have had to redefine success more than once. Across this season, you’ll hear from guests including Marni Wandner, Mo Hiromoto, and Christopher Brereton (plus many more), reflecting on burnout, evolution, grief, faith, community, legacy, and what happens when the identities we build no longer fit. This trailer offers a first look at the tone and intent of the season: Conversations that don’t rush clarityStories that include doubt, recalibration, and resilienceA refusal of performative success and empty optimisationSpace for humour, honesty, and being present rather than productiveEach episode stands on its own, but together they form a bigger picture - not of what success is supposed to look like, but of how people actually live with it, question it, and sometimes walk away from it. If you’re in a moment of transition, pressure, burnout, recovery, or quiet re-evaluation, you’re in the right place. Season 1 Launch Information 🎧 Episode 1 of 12 Steps to Success drops on January 13th, 2026. New episodes will be released weekly. Subscribe now so you don’t miss the start of the season. About the Podcast 12 Steps to Success is a long-form conversation podcast about navigating change, redefining success, and building a meaningful life - without shortcuts, hype, or neat answers. Hosted by Eric Mackay. twelvestepstosuccess.com Instagram.com/twelvestepstosuccess

    7 min

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What happens when the old definitions of success stop working? 12 Steps to Success is a long-form podcast about identity, purpose, burnout, and the messy, uncertain middle of building a life and career. It explores moments of transition, pressure, reinvention, and recovery, especially when clarity disappears and familiar paths no longer fit. Hosted by Eric Mackay, a senior music industry executive, founder, author, and recovering perfectionist, the show sits between success stories and self-help. These are not highlight reels or tidy frameworks. They are honest conversations with artists, founders, executives, creatives, and operators who have built things, lost things, walked away from roles that looked perfect on paper, and had to rethink who they were along the way. Each episode examines themes including identity, leadership, burnout, sobriety, creativity, pressure, and the quiet recalibrations that happen when life does not go to plan. The focus is not on how people made it, but on how they kept going when certainty disappeared. Eric is not a neutral interviewer. He brings his own lived experience into the room, asking better questions, challenging assumptions, and staying with discomfort rather than rushing to resolution. The tone is reflective, occasionally funny, sometimes raw, and deliberately unscripted. This is a podcast for people in transition. For anyone questioning success, navigating change, or trying to build something meaningful without losing themselves in the process. New episodes are released weekly during each season, with breaks between seasons. Learn more at twelvestepstosuccess.com and on Instagram @twelvestepstosuccess.

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