Crime Chats

Lisa Iacoletti and Hilary Morrow
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Crime Chats is a casual true crime podcast where we get together and chat about the crimes we can’t stop thinking about. From infamous cases and unsolved mysteries to shocking criminal behavior and courtroom chaos. No scripts, no stiff narration, just casual conversations between real-life best friends. We'll share our honest opinions, theories, and the occasional dark joke every now and then. In each episode, we'll chat about a case that’s been living rent-free in our minds. If you love true crime podcasts, unsolved cases, crime discussion, hearing two friends break down criminal cases in a relatable, conversational way, and you don't mind the occasional colorful language, Crime Chats is for you.

  1. 2d ago

    The Nine O'Clock Service: From Radical Evangelism to Abusive Control (Part 2 of 2)

    What happens when a movement that promises spiritual connection, community, and a fresh take on religion becomes a place of manipulation and abuse? In the 1980s and 1990s in Sheffield, England, the Nine O’Clock Service attracted hundreds of young people with its unconventional blend of Christian worship, rave culture, electronic music, and multimedia performances. At the center of it all was Chris Brain, a charismatic leader whose influence over the congregation would eventually lead to a devastating scandal. Behind the music, the packed services, and the movement’s progressive image, former members described an increasingly controlling environment in which spiritual authority was used to exert power over followers. When allegations of sexual abuse and manipulation emerged in 1995, the movement collapsed, leaving former members struggling to process what had happened. Decades later, the case returned to the courts, raising difficult questions about institutional accountability and how abuse can flourish within a community built on trust. ⚠️ Content Warning This episode discusses sexual abuse, rape, spiritual abuse, coercive control, and manipulation within a religious community. Listener discretion is advised. 🔎 What We Cover Chris Brain's early life and how he first came into the Christian faithThe pull toward leadership that Chris felt almost immediately upon his conversion and joining a church of his ownHow Chris Brain built a devoted following through charisma, music, and spiritual authorityThe origins of the Nine O’Clock Service and its unconventional approach to Christian worshipThe group’s growing influence and the culture that developed around itThe 1995 scandal that brought the Nine O’Clock Service to an endThe questions surrounding church leadership, oversight, and institutional accountabilityThe criminal proceedings decades later and the convictions against Chris Brain🎙️ Facts First, Hot Takes Later As always, we’re laying out the facts before getting into our opinions. But this episode does include a lot of personal opinions about religion, God, and worship. 💬 Join the Conversation How does a community built around belonging become a place where people feel unable to question its leader? And when warning signs emerge, who is responsible for taking action? At what point does devotion become manipulation, and what responsibility do institutions have when allegations surface? Share your thoughts in the comments! 📰 Sources Click here for a full list of the sources used for this episode 📚 Further Reading Howard, R. (1996). The rise and fall of the Nine O'Clock Service: A cult within the church? Mowbray / Cassell. (Click here to purchase this book using our affiliate link) ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Share this episode with someone who would find it interestingBuy our merch on Amazon!Follow/subscribe so you don’t miss what’s nextbuymeacoffee.com/crimechats

  2. 3d ago

    The Nine O'Clock Service: From Radical Evangelism to Abusive Control (Part 1 of 2)

    What happens when a movement that promises spiritual connection, community, and a fresh take on religion becomes a place of manipulation and abuse? In the 1980s and 1990s in Sheffield, England, the Nine O’Clock Service attracted hundreds of young people with its unconventional blend of Christian worship, rave culture, electronic music, and multimedia performances. At the center of it all was Chris Brain, a charismatic leader whose influence over the congregation would eventually lead to a devastating scandal. Behind the music, the packed services, and the movement’s progressive image, former members described an increasingly controlling environment in which spiritual authority was used to exert power over followers. When allegations of sexual abuse and manipulation emerged in 1995, the movement collapsed, leaving former members struggling to process what had happened. Decades later, the case returned to the courts, raising difficult questions about institutional accountability and how abuse can flourish within a community built on trust. ⚠️ Content Warning This episode discusses sexual abuse, rape, spiritual abuse, coercive control, and manipulation within a religious community. Listener discretion is advised. 🔎 What We Cover Chris Brain's early life and how he first came into the Christian faithThe pull toward leadership that Chris felt almost immediately upon his conversion and joining a church of his ownHow Chris Brain built a devoted following through charisma, music, and spiritual authorityThe origins of the Nine O’Clock Service and its unconventional approach to Christian worshipThe group’s growing influence and the culture that developed around itThe 1995 scandal that brought the Nine O’Clock Service to an endThe questions surrounding church leadership, oversight, and institutional accountabilityThe criminal proceedings decades later and the convictions against Chris Brain🎙️ Facts First, Hot Takes Later As always, we’re laying out the facts before getting into our opinions. But this episode does include a lot of personal opinions about religion, God, and worship. 💬 Join the Conversation How does a community built around belonging become a place where people feel unable to question its leader? And when warning signs emerge, who is responsible for taking action? At what point does devotion become manipulation, and what responsibility do institutions have when allegations surface? Share your thoughts in the comments! 📰 Sources Click here for a full list of the sources used for this episode 📚 Further Reading Howard, R. (1996). The rise and fall of the Nine O'Clock Service: A cult within the church? Mowbray / Cassell. (Click here to purchase this book using our affiliate link) ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Share this episode with someone who would find it interestingBuy our merch on Amazon!Follow/subscribe so you don’t miss what’s nextbuymeacoffee.com/crimechats

  3. Oct 20

    Mark Kilroy & the Matamoros Murders: Adolfo Constanzo’s Narco-Satanic Cult

    In March 1989, Mark Kilroy traveled to South Padre Island with three close friends to celebrate spring break and his recent 21st birthday. During a night out in Matamoros, Mexico, Mark disappeared. His friends tirelessly searched for him, his family launched an extensive campaign to find him, and investigators worked hard to uncover the truth. The investigation took a shocking turn in April 1989, when Mexican authorities discovered Rancho Santa Elena and uncovered the remains of 15 people, including Mark. The property was connected to a drug-trafficking syndicate led by Adolfo Constanzo, whose followers participated in violent rituals they believed would provide supernatural protection. In this episode, we examine the people, beliefs, investigation, and legal proceedings behind one of the most disturbing criminal cases of 1980s Texas-Mexico border history. ⚠️ Trigger Warning This episode contains discussion of abduction, torture, murder, human sacrifice, drug trafficking, and graphic forensic details. Listener discretion is strongly advised. 🔎 What We Cover Mark Kilroy’s life, family, academic achievements, and plans for the futureThe spring break trip that took Mark and his friends from South Padre Island to MatamorosMark’s disappearance on March 14, 1989, and the search that followedHow investigators traced the case to Rancho Santa ElenaPalo Mayombe, its cultural and spiritual origins, and why it should not be conflated with the crimes committed by Constanzo’s groupAdolfo Constanzo’s rise as a self-proclaimed spiritual and cult leader and his connections to drug traffickersSara Aldrete’s alleged role in the syndicate and her later claims of coercionThe 1989 Mexico City confrontation that ended with Constanzo’s deathThe convictions, prison sentences, and unresolved questions surrounding other suspectsHow the case affected cross-border travel and public perceptions of the Texas-Mexico borderThe role of sensationalized media coverage in shaping the “narco-Satanic” narrative💬 Join the Conversation Was Sara Aldrete a willing participant, a victim of coercive control, or both? How much of Constanzo’s influence came from supernatural beliefs, and how much came from fear and manipulation? Did the “narco-Satanic cult” label help explain the crimes, or did sensationalism obscure important facts? Let us know your thoughts! 📰 Sources Click here for the full list of sources used in researching this episode 📚 Further Reading Kilroy, Jim, and Bob Stewart. Sacrifice the Tragic Cult Murder of Mark Kilroy in Matamoros: A Father’s Determination to Turn Evil into Good. Thomas Nelson Publishers, 11 Aug. 2004. (Click here to purchase this book through our affiliate link) ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Share this episode with someone who would find it interestingBuy our merch on Amazon!Follow/subscribe so you don’t miss what’s nextbuymeacoffee.com/crimechats

  4. Oct 6

    Ferdinand Waldo Demara: The Man Who Could Be Anyone

    What if you could walk into almost any job, claim to be someone you're not, and somehow convince everyone around you that you belonged there? Meet Ferdinand Waldo Demara Jr., better known as The Great Impostor. Demara spent much of his life assuming false identities and inserting himself into professions he had no formal training for. Jobs that required highly specialized knowledge. His remarkable ability to memorize information, project confidence, and convince people he was exactly who he claimed to be allowed him to pull off some truly unbelievable schemes. And this wasn't your typical con man story. Demara didn't just fake names or credentials. At various points, he managed to pose as people ranging from a monk and prison official to a surgeon—with one of his most infamous impersonations taking place aboard a Canadian naval destroyer during the Korean War. So how did he keep getting away with it? 🔎 What We Cover Ferdinand Waldo Demara's early life and upbringingThe event that set him on this path of deceptionThe many faces of FerdinandHow he finally got caught and then caught againWhat happened after his releasesHow Ferdinand Waldo Demara's wild story finally came to an end💬 Join the Conversation Do you think that Demara had malicious intent? Do good deeds done for bad reasons still deserve to be praised? Let us know your thoughts! 📰 Sources Click here for a list of the sources for this episode 📚 Further Reading Crichton, Robert. The Great Impostor. Sarah Crichton Books, 5 Apr. 2016. (Click here for our affiliate link) If you are interested in that LIFE magazine issue from 1952 that contains the article about Demara, you can click here to visit the website. ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Share this episode with someone who would find it interestingBuy our merch on Amazon!Follow/subscribe so you don’t miss what’s nextbuymeacoffee.com/crimechats

  5. Sep 30

    Charity Johnson: The 34-Year-Old High School Sophomore (Part 2 of a 2-Part Series)

    What would you do if the teenager sitting next to you in class turned out to be a 34-year-old woman? And what if the story went far beyond one fake ID? In 2013, Charity Anne Johnson enrolled at New Life Christian School in Longview, Texas, as a 15-year-old sophomore named Charity Stevens. She made friends, completed her schoolwork, and became part of the tight-knit school community. Even the adults who took her into their homes believed she was a teenager in need of help. But when her carefully constructed identity began to unravel, it became clear that this wasn't an isolated lie. As people started comparing notes, a much bigger pattern of deception emerged, stretching across multiple states and involving families, mentors, and people who believed they were helping a vulnerable young woman. 🔎 What We Cover Charity Anne Johnson's life before she became Charity StevensHer enrollment at New Life Christian School in Longview, Texas as a 15-year-old sophomore.The details she gave of her background, including her claims about her family and childhood.The lengthy list of people who trusted and helped her along the wayThe relationships she built with classmates and teachersThe boyfriend who thought she was 18A Mother's Day encounter in Dallas that raised suspicions and helped set the truth in motion.How conflicting stories, questions about her age, and information from her workplace led people to investigate her identity.The arrest and the charges brought against herCharity's guilty plea, her sentence, and her release from jail.💬 Join the Conversation What do you think Charity's motive was? It seems to have started as a way for an insecure woman to feel wanted, but it went way too far. 📚 Sources Click here for a full list of the sources for this episode ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Share this episode with someone who would find it interestingBuy our merch on Amazon!Follow/subscribe so you don’t miss what’s nextbuymeacoffee.com/crimechats

  6. Sep 29

    Charity Johnson: The 34-Year-Old High School Sophomore (Part 1 of a 2-Part Series)

    What would you do if the teenager sitting next to you in class turned out to be a 34-year-old woman? And what if the story went far beyond one fake ID? In 2013, Charity Anne Johnson enrolled at New Life Christian School in Longview, Texas, as a 15-year-old sophomore named Charity Stevens. She made friends, completed her schoolwork, and became part of the tight-knit school community. Even the adults who took her into their homes believed she was a teenager in need of help. But when her carefully constructed identity began to unravel, it became clear that this wasn't an isolated lie. As people started comparing notes, a much bigger pattern of deception emerged, stretching across multiple states and involving families, mentors, and people who believed they were helping a vulnerable young woman. 🔎 What We Cover Charity Anne Johnson's life before she became Charity StevensHer enrollment at New Life Christian School in Longview, Texas as a 15-year-old sophomore.The details she gave of her background, including her claims about her family and childhood.The lengthy list of people who trusted and helped her along the wayThe relationships she built with classmates and teachersThe boyfriend who thought she was 18A Mother's Day encounter in Dallas that raised suspicions and helped set the truth in motion.How conflicting stories, questions about her age, and information from her workplace led people to investigate her identity.The arrest and the charges brought against herCharity's guilty plea, her sentence, and her release from jail.💬 Join the Conversation What do you think Charity's motive was? It seems to have started as a way for an insecure woman to feel wanted, but it went way too far. 📚 Sources Click here for a full list of the sources for this episode ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Share this episode with someone who would find it interestingBuy our merch on Amazon!Follow/subscribe so you don’t miss what’s nextbuymeacoffee.com/crimechats

  7. Sep 22

    The Zion Society Cult: What Happened Behind the Walls of Northwood?

    In the quiet Northwood neighborhood of northern Ogden, Utah, rows of single-family homes sat on beautifully manicured lawns. From the outside, the community seemed to be tight-knit, warm, and welcoming. But behind closed doors was a world of absolute control, secrecy, and heinous abuse led by one man: Arvin Shreeve. In this episode of Crime Chats, we’re diving into the disturbing story of the Zion Society Cult, including how Shreeve gained power over his followers, how abuse was hidden in plain sight, and how one survivor finally broke her silence in 1991. The Zion Society is a disturbing example of how abuse and coercive control can exist behind an outwardly ordinary (or even idyllic) community. What makes this case especially chilling is how long the group was able to maintain that appearance before one survivor finally broke the silence. ⚠️ HUGE Trigger Warning This episode discusses horrific child sexual abuse, sexual exploitation, coercive control, religious manipulation, polygamy, and the psychological abuse of women and children. Listener discretion is strongly advised. 🔎 What We Cover The seemingly ordinary Ogden, Utah neighborhood where the Zion Society operated in plain sightArvin Shreeve, the self-proclaimed prophet and leader of the groupHow the Zion Society used religion, manipulation, isolation, and coercive control to maintain power over its membersHow vulnerable women and families were recruited into the groupThe grooming and sexual exploitation of children within the Zion SocietyThe disturbing ways members were conditioned to accept behavior that would otherwise be unthinkableThe survivor whose decision to walk into a police station in 1991 finally set the investigation in motionDetective Mike King and the investigation that followedThe massive 1991 police raid on NorthwoodWhat investigators discovered inside the Zion Society homesThe challenges law enforcement faced when trying to protect children who had been raised to distrust the outside worldThe arrests, criminal charges, and eventual prosecution of members of the group💬 Join the Conversation How does one man convince an entire community that control is actually salvation? What are your thoughts on how justice was carried out in this case? 📰 Sources Click here for a full list of the sources for this episode. 📚 Further Reading King, M. R. (2021). Deceived: An investigative memoir of the Zion Society Cult. Profiling Evil, LLC. (Click here to order from our affiliate link)

  8. Sep 16

    The 7M Cult: Inside the Church That Controlled TikTok Dancers (part 2 of 2)

    For the first case in our Cults & Con Artists theme, Hilary takes us down the rabbit hole of 7M Films, TikTok dancers, and Shekinah Church pastor Robert Shinn. What appeared to be an opportunity for young dancers trying to make it in Los Angeles became something much darker. Allegedly. As former members began speaking out, families described isolation, financial control, manipulation, and devastating changes in their relationships with loved ones. In this two-part episode, we look at how 7M came to be, the people caught up in it, the allegations against its founder, and the warning signs that can make a high-control group difficult to recognize from the inside. 🔎 What We Cover • The Wilking sisters and how their TikTok fame led them to Los Angeles • Miranda Wilking's involvement with 7M Films • Robert Shinn and the creation of 7M Films • Shekinah Church and its connection to 7M • How dancers were recruited into the organization • The role of religion and spiritual authority • Allegations of financial and emotional control • The allegations made by former members against Robert Shinn • Allegations involving forced labor and sexual abuse • The TikTok movement that brought the story to millions of people • The civil lawsuits surrounding Shinn, 7M, and former members • The federal investigation into allegations including sex trafficking, money laundering, tax evasion, and pandemic-related fraud • The similarities between the experiences described by former Shekinah members and former 7M dancers • What actually makes a cult a cult and why people don't necessarily realize they're in one 💬 Join the Discussion If Christianity explicitly warns us to “beware false prophets,” why do we seem to be so drawn to people who claim to have a special connection to God? What is it about certainty, charisma, and spiritual authority that makes us believe them? 📚 Sources Click here for a list of the sources that were used for this episode ☕ Support the Show If you’re enjoying Crime Chats and want to support more deep dives like this: Share this episode with someone who would find it interestingBuy our merch on Amazon!Follow/subscribe so you don’t miss what’s nextbuymeacoffee.com/crimechats

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Crime Chats is a casual true crime podcast where we get together and chat about the crimes we can’t stop thinking about. From infamous cases and unsolved mysteries to shocking criminal behavior and courtroom chaos. No scripts, no stiff narration, just casual conversations between real-life best friends. We'll share our honest opinions, theories, and the occasional dark joke every now and then. In each episode, we'll chat about a case that’s been living rent-free in our minds. If you love true crime podcasts, unsolved cases, crime discussion, hearing two friends break down criminal cases in a relatable, conversational way, and you don't mind the occasional colorful language, Crime Chats is for you.

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  • Creator
    Lisa Iacoletti and Hilary Morrow
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    47
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Lisa Iacoletti & Hilary Morrow 2026
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    Crime Chats