After the Download: Journeys in the App Universe

RealityMine

Through interviews and conversations, After the Download explores how people really use apps and other digital platforms — and what that means for the businesses that own and build them. Hosted by RealityMine®, the series dives into the data behind everyday digital behavior, as well as the marketplace forces that drive app and platform strategy and tactics. Each episode features discussions with product leaders, data scientists, editors and journalists, and RealityMine®’s own experts – discover emerging trends, explore best practices, and the uncover the hidden signals that shape success in the app economy. Hosted by RealityMine® CEO Chris Havemann, After the Download delivers the inspiration and insight you need to win in today’s digital marketplace.

Season 1

  1. Data, Trust and Decision Making in the Digital Economy

    Episode 1

    Data, Trust and Decision Making in the Digital Economy

    In today’s marketplace, the decisions consumers make – and the digital journeys they take – are essential strategic intelligence. But the difficulty of locating, evaluating, and putting this data into action sometimes seems insurmountable.   The inaugural episode of After the Download dives deep into the intricacies of consumer behavior and its links to smarter digital strategies, exploring the implications of AI technologies, challenges around accuracy and trust, and the best ways to navigate a walled garden world.

   In our first episode, RealityMine CEO Chris Havemann talks with RealityMine COO Chris Shaw and co-founder Rolfe Swinton about After the Download, the new podcast for C-suite decision makers and anyone who relies on consumer data.   Topics Discussed:   ·      How AI is shaping consumer behavior – and what this means for apps and other digital brands   ·      The crucial roles of trust and privacy in gathering and working with consumer data   ·      Challenges that today’s Big Tech platforms face   ·      Best practices for integrating consumer behavioral data into decision making
   We value your input and invite you to help shape our future episodes.

   Is there a specific corner of the data industry you’re curious about, or a 'must-have' guest you’d love to hear from?

   Whether you have a topic suggestion or are interested in joining us as a guest on After the Download, we would love to connect with you.

   Reach out to us at appintel@realitymine.com

    39 min
  2. The Social Side of Content Discovery: An App Entrepreneur's Story

    Episode 2

    The Social Side of Content Discovery: An App Entrepreneur's Story

    The algorithm knows your history. It has no idea what you're in the mood for today. RealityMine® CEO Chris Havemann talks to Rohan Jacob, founder of Nokio, a social discovery app built around one counterintuitive goal: get users off the platform as fast as possible. Your decision about what to watch is the point, not how long you spend scrolling to get there. Rohan breaks audiences into three groups: ▪️ The 1% who create and review ▪️ The 9% who engage with that content ▪️ And the 90% who just watch, quietly, without leaving a trace Most platforms optimize almost entirely for the top tier while the vast majority remains invisible to them. On AI, Rohan's take is sharp: recommendation tools can approximate preference, but they can't replicate social trust. Knowing what someone watched isn't the same as knowing what they'd tell you to watch. That gap matters well beyond streaming. Who are the 90% in your category, making decisions every week through conversations no platform can see?

    28 min

  3. Episode 3

    Where Consumer Loyalty, Value & Data Converge: User acquisition in today's app marketplace

    Downloads are flatlining across most categories yet revenue is growing. That gap tells you everything about where the industry is heading: it's no longer a volume game. It's a value game. In the latest episode of After the Download, RealityMine® CEO Chris Havemann sat down with Josh Berrios, Google Principal Growth Manager Mobile App Partnerships. Josh's three takeaways for app businesses right now: → Data maturity. Your acquisition strategy is only as good as the signals you're sharing with your channels. If what you're optimizing for in a campaign doesn't match the users you actually want, you're not doing yourself any favors. → Master iOS. Attribution is still messy post-Apple's privacy changes, and some businesses are pulling back from iOS investment because of it. Josh's view: that's a costly mistake. iOS users are among the most valuable in any market. Imperfect measurement is not a reason to underinvest. → Invest in creative. Speak to each of your user personas specifically. A contractor and a homeowner using the same app should not be seeing the same ad. AI tools are making it faster to get this right, but only if you're intentional about it. There's also a lot in this episode on AI's real impact on consumer discovery, what genuine user loyalty looks like, and why product obsession is still the most durable growth strategy.

    33 min
  4. How AI Is Disrupting Today’s Marketing Landscape - with Marketing Science Professional Ankur Jalan

    Episode 4

    How AI Is Disrupting Today’s Marketing Landscape - with Marketing Science Professional Ankur Jalan

    “What do I do with these "likes"?” In the latest episode of After the Download, Chris Havemann sits down with Ankur Jalan, as he explains how that question kicked off his career as a freelance marketing scientist 15 years ago. With experience at Facebook, Snapchat, and Discord, Ankur talks about where the measurement world has landed — and why in many ways it's harder now than it's ever been. A few things that stood out from the conversation: 🔹 Everyone now understands what they're trying to measure. The challenge is that cross-platform attribution is getting harder, not easier, as walled gardens multiply and privacy rules tighten. 🔹 AI is leveling the creative playing field — and creating a lot of noise in the process. Any business can now spin up a thousand creative variants. The creative director who knows how to cut through the resulting clutter becomes more valuable, not less. 🔹 Measurement teams that report into marketing are compromised by design. If your measurement function has an incentive to make media look good, it will. Neutrality isn't a nice-to-have. And on LLMs changing consumer discovery: "I'm sure it's given Google sleepless nights."

    36 min
  5. Can Big Tech save trust? The playbook for building consumer confidence in Al

    Episode 5

    Can Big Tech save trust? The playbook for building consumer confidence in Al

    Artificial intelligence is rapidly becoming part of everyday life—but consumer trust in the technology is becoming more complicated. In this episode, we explore the growing tension between AI adoption and public skepticism, and what that means for brands, marketers, and business leaders. The conversation examines why consumers continue to embrace AI-powered tools while simultaneously expressing concerns about privacy, authenticity, environmental impact, and corporate responsibility. From shifting attitudes toward generative AI marketing to the rise of “human-first” brand messaging, the episode looks at how trust is becoming a key competitive advantage in the AI era. Listeners will also hear insights into: Why some consumers are actively seeking brands that minimize AI use How younger audiences are redefining digital trust The hidden infrastructure and societal costs behind AI expansion Why authentic human experiences may become even more valuable as AI grows more pervasive How organizations can adopt AI strategically without becoming overly dependent on it Whether you’re a marketer, executive, entrepreneur, or technology leader, this discussion offers practical insight into the future of consumer behavior and the evolving relationship between people and intelligent technology.

    39 min

  6. Season 1 Trailer

    Coming Soon: The Podcast for Product, Brand and Data Strategists

    Through interviews and conversations, After the Download: Journeys in the App Universe will explore how people really use apps and other digital platforms — and what that means for the businesses that own and build them. Hosted by RealityMine®, this new series will dive deep into the data behind everyday digital behavior, as well as the marketplace forces that drive app and platform, strategy and tactics. On each episode we will have discussions with product leaders, data scientists, editors and journalists, and RealityMine®’s own experts – to discover emerging trends, explore best practices, and the uncover the hidden signals that shape success in the app economy. Hosted by RealityMine CEO Chris Havemann, the After the Download podcast will deliver the inspiration and insight you need to win in today’s digital marketplace. If you are a product, brand or data professional this is one podcast you won’t want to miss. Subscribe now! https://www.realitymine.com/

    2 min

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Through interviews and conversations, After the Download explores how people really use apps and other digital platforms — and what that means for the businesses that own and build them. Hosted by RealityMine®, the series dives into the data behind everyday digital behavior, as well as the marketplace forces that drive app and platform strategy and tactics. Each episode features discussions with product leaders, data scientists, editors and journalists, and RealityMine®’s own experts – discover emerging trends, explore best practices, and the uncover the hidden signals that shape success in the app economy. Hosted by RealityMine® CEO Chris Havemann, After the Download delivers the inspiration and insight you need to win in today’s digital marketplace.

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