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ESOP Radio is the official ESOP podcast—where real stories of growth, succession, and long-term wealth building are told. Hosted by Trevor Gilmore, CEO of Menke, and Ben Spadt, ESOP Investment Banking Consultant at Menke, the show features conversations with business owners, executives, and advisors who have navigated employee ownership as a strategic path forward. Episodes explore why companies choose ESOPs, how those decisions shape culture and continuity, and what it takes to build durable, long-term ownership structures. Alongside real-world stories, ESOP Radio examines the practical realities behind successful ESOPs, including fiduciary responsibilities, valuation, transaction structure, and regulatory considerations. ESOP Radio is educational in nature and designed for listeners seeking a clear, grounded understanding of employee ownership and long-term succession planning.

  1. APR 27

    From Ultra-Endurance to ESOP Ownership: Building a Resilient Company with Dave Odell

    What does it take to build a company that lasts—and a team that truly owns it? In Episode 20 of ESOP Radio, Trevor Gilmore and Ben Spadt sit down with Dave Odell, CEO of MedBridge and CFO of Tynan Group, a 100% employee-owned company managing high-profile real estate development projects across the West Coast. Dave shares the story behind Tynan Group’s ESOP transition, including why a traditional sale didn’t feel right—and how employee ownership ultimately checked every box. But this episode goes deeper. As an accomplished ultra-endurance athlete (including the 106-mile UTMB race around Mont Blanc), Dave draws powerful parallels between endurance racing and running a business: navigating uncertainty, pushing through low points, and building long-term resilience. From ESOP structure to leadership mindset, this conversation is about playing the long game. Key Topics  Why Tynan Group chose an ESOP over private equity or strategic buyers  What founders often misunderstand about selling their business  Early results from employee ownership (culture, retention, performance)  Lessons from ultra-endurance racing applied to business leadership  Building resilience through uncertainty, downturns, and “low miles”  The importance of team, trust, and long-term thinking Send us Fan Mail Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/Confidential feasibility review: https://www.menke.com

    38 min

  2. APR 13

    How M-Group Used Pre-Funding to Build an Orderly ESOP Transition

    What does an ESOP transition look like when a company starts planning early? In Episode 19 of ESOP Radio, Trevor Gilmore and Ben Spadt sit down with Jeff Bradley and Heather Hines of M-Group, a Bay Area urban planning firm that helps cities and counties shape long-term growth, land use, infrastructure, and livability  Because urban planners think in decades, M-Group approached succession the same way. In this conversation, they share why employee ownership aligned with the firm’s values, how they used ESOP pre-funding to reduce stress on the business, and what they learned about employee communication along the way  In this episode:  Why M-Group saw ESOPs as a fit for a people-driven professional services firm  How pre-funding created a more orderly transition and reduced debt pressure  What employees understood — and misunderstood — when the ESOP was introduced  Why the process increased financial transparency inside the company  How ESOP planning opened broader succession conversations across the firm  Whether employee ownership is helping with client confidence and recruiting One of the clearest takeaways: You cannot really start too early on succession planning. Considering an ESOP? Request a confidential preliminary feasibility review at Menke.com. Send us Fan Mail Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/Confidential feasibility review: https://www.menke.com

    33 min

  3. APR 1

    Why ESOP Companies Command Higher Valuations in AEC

    AEC firms—architecture, engineering, and construction—are seeing a clear trend: ESOP companies are outperforming their peers on valuation. In this episode, Trevor Gilmore and Ben Spadt break down the 2026 data and explain why ESOP-owned companies are commanding higher valuations—and what that means for owners considering succession. In this episode:  Why ESOP companies see ~25% higher value relative to revenue  How backlog drives forward-looking valuation  The impact of S-Corp ESOP tax advantages on cash flow and value  How EBITDA multiples and cap rates are actually determined  Why ESOP companies often carry a lower risk profile This is a practical, data-backed look at valuation—not theory—and why many AEC firms are rethinking how they approach ownership and exit planning. Considering an ESOP? Request a confidential preliminary feasibility review at Menke.com Send us Fan Mail Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/Confidential feasibility review: https://www.menke.com

    14 min

  4. MAR 30

    From $2,000 Startup to 100% Employee-Owned: Art Hoover on Building Matrix HG

    In this episode of ESOP Radio, we sit down with Art Hoover, CEO and Co-Founder of Matrix HG, to talk about his journey from starting a company with just $2,000 to building a successful HVAC business—and ultimately transitioning to 100% employee ownership through an ESOP.  Art shares why he chose an ESOP over private equity, how the transition reshaped his role as CEO, and what it takes to build a company that can thrive long-term without losing its culture. We also dive into leadership, succession planning, and the importance of building a team that can carry the business forward—plus a few unexpected lessons from Art’s passion for racing cars. Whether you're exploring exit options or simply want to build a stronger business, this episode offers practical, real-world insights. 🔑 What You’ll Learn  Why Art chose an ESOP instead of selling to private equity  How employee ownership preserves culture and independence  The mindset shift from founder to ESOP CEO  Why strong leadership teams are critical to ESOP success  How ESOPs impact recruiting, retention, and motivation  Lessons from navigating economic downturns and COVID  The difference between growth and profitable growth  How racing translates to leadership and business discipline Send us Fan Mail Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/Confidential feasibility review: https://www.menke.com

    43 min

  5. MAR 19

    Why Employees Now Expect Equity — Not Just Pay

    A new trend is emerging — and it’s not limited to one region. In this episode of ESOP Radio, Trevor Gilmore and Ben Spade discuss the growing demand for employee ownership, highlighted by recent activity in California’s Central Valley. Employees are no longer satisfied with traditional compensation. Increasingly, they expect “skin in the game” — and companies are responding by implementing ESOPs as both a growth and retention strategy. In this episode: Why employees are prioritizing equity over traditional benefitsHow ESOPs are being used to attract and retain talentThe rise of Gen X owners proactively planning successionPartial vs. full ESOP structures (flexibility matters)The financial impact of employee ownership, including tax advantagesWhy ESOP companies often outperform over the long termThe takeaway: employee ownership is shifting from optional to expected. Considering an ESOP? Request a confidential preliminary feasibility review at Menke.com. Send us Fan Mail Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/Confidential feasibility review: https://www.menke.com

    10 min

  6. MAR 16

    How EOS Strengthens an ESOP Company

    What happens when an ESOP company implements EOS? In this episode of ESOP Radio, Trevor Gilmore and Ben Spadt sit down with Dave Jaeger, CEO of Legacy Utility, and Craig Hettrich, EOS Implementer at The Hetrick Group, to explore how ownership structure and operating discipline work together. Legacy Utility is a growing underground utility contractor that paired employee ownership with EOS to align leadership, improve accountability, and build long-term value. In this episode: What EOS actually is — and why it mattersHow EOS complements an ESOP structureAligning people, performance, and equityLeadership accountability in an employee-owned companyOwnership mindset vs. entitlement mindsetReal operational improvements (including measurable cost savings)Why ESOPs need structure to fully unlock cultureAn ESOP creates ownership. EOS creates alignment. Together, they create execution. Considering an ESOP? Request a confidential preliminary feasibility review at Menke.com. Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/ Menke: https://www.menke.comSend us Fan Mail Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/Confidential feasibility review: https://www.menke.com

    37 min

  7. MAR 2

    Top 10 ESOP Predictions for 2026

    As we begin 2026, what’s ahead for the ESOP market? In this episode of ESOP Radio, Trevor Gilmore and Ben Spade share their Top 10 predictions for the year — from AI-driven owner awareness to partial liquidity strategies, private equity exits, lending trends, and the growing premium on employee ownership culture. In this episode: Why AI and online tools will accelerate ESOP educationThe continued rise of partial ESOPs for Gen X ownersPrivate equity firms exploring ESOPs as an exit strategyIncreased bank appetite for ESOP financingEmployee demand for ownership as a recruiting advantageThe possibility of the first cannabis ESOPBipartisan legislative momentumWhy ESOPs are shifting from “last resort” to strategic toolESOPs are no longer niche. They’re becoming a mainstream succession and competitive strategy. Considering an ESOP? Request a confidential preliminary feasibility review at Menke.com. Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/ Menke: https://www.menke.comSend us Fan Mail Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/Confidential feasibility review: https://www.menke.com

    8 min

  8. FEB 17

    ESOP vs Private Equity: Why This $XXM Contractor Chose Employee Ownership

    What happens when a fast-growing contractor reaches a crossroads: private equity… or employee ownership? In this episode of ESOP Radio, Trevor Gilmore and Ben Spade sit down with Dave Jaeger, CEO of Legacy Utility Group, to unpack the real-world decision between selling to private equity or transitioning to an ESOP. Dave shares: • Why private equity didn’t align with his long-term vision  • How an ESOP created liquidity and a 10-year plan  • How pairing EOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System) with employee ownership strengthened accountability  • The cultural and recruiting impact of becoming employee-owned  • What he would tell himself 3 years before the transaction Legacy Utility operates in a competitive, capital-intensive industry. Yet the ESOP structure allowed them to preserve culture, retain talent, and build long-term value — without sacrificing independence. If you're a founder weighing succession options, this episode offers a candid look at what the decision actually feels like inside the boardroom. 📌 Learn more about ESOP feasibility:  Visit Menke.com 📌 Connect with Trevor Gilmore on LinkedIn 📌 Connect with Ben Spade on LinkedIn Send us Fan Mail Learn more: ESOP Radio: https://www.menke.com/esop-radio/ESOP Boot Camp: https://www.menke.com/esop-boot-camp/Confidential feasibility review: https://www.menke.com

    40 min
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ESOP Radio is the official ESOP podcast—where real stories of growth, succession, and long-term wealth building are told. Hosted by Trevor Gilmore, CEO of Menke, and Ben Spadt, ESOP Investment Banking Consultant at Menke, the show features conversations with business owners, executives, and advisors who have navigated employee ownership as a strategic path forward. Episodes explore why companies choose ESOPs, how those decisions shape culture and continuity, and what it takes to build durable, long-term ownership structures. Alongside real-world stories, ESOP Radio examines the practical realities behind successful ESOPs, including fiduciary responsibilities, valuation, transaction structure, and regulatory considerations. ESOP Radio is educational in nature and designed for listeners seeking a clear, grounded understanding of employee ownership and long-term succession planning.

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