A man who spent a decade as a pastor, building a church from a dozen people to 750 across three locations, sat down on this podcast, took a breath, and let three unseen beings speak through his body for nearly fifteen minutes. One of them called itself "the light of Christ." This episode is David Trotter's account of how that happened, and what came through live. Timestamps: 00:00 – Ego death experience — "your calling has not been revoked" 02:54 – The moment at 18 he first heard the call to be a pastor 04:21 – His parents reveal they always sensed his calling 06:38 – Becomes an associate pastor at 25 as the church explodes to 1,000 people 08:56 – The fear of losing friends and respect when you leave a faith community 09:33 – Advice on deconstruction: "be wise about who you process this with" 12:33 – Why not having all the answers anymore is freeing 14:54 – The pivot to marketing, filmmaking, and the Inspiration Rising podcast 15:40 – The sound bath that "rocked his world" 19:04 – Discovering "unseen friends" and automatic writing 23:29 – The medicine ceremony message that changed his life 25:38 – A third being appears — David's complicated relationship with Jesus 34:25 – Live channeling begins on the podcast 45:13 – How to tell true intuition from fear-based "static" 53:39 – Awakened Magazine, upcoming books, and 2026 expo dates In this episode: David describes the moment at 18, kneeling at a youth conference on December 31, 1990, when he first sensed God say, "I want you to be a pastor."He recounts becoming an associate pastor at Rock Harbor in Orange County at 25, watching it grow from 100 to 1,000 people within months, then later growing his own church from a dozen people to 750 with a dozen staff and three locations before hitting burnout and leaving ministry in 2008.David walks through his slow "deconstruction" process — starting with the question of LGBTQ inclusion, then the question of heaven and hell (influenced by Rob Bell's Love Wins), and eventually questioning whether heaven exists at all.He describes a 5-MeO-DMT ("bufo") experience that triggered a full ego death, a tearful life review, and the message: "Your calling has not been revoked. You are a messenger of love and light."David explains how light language and channeling emerged spontaneously during medicine ceremonies and, later, during regression hypnotherapy sessions — without medicine.Live on the podcast, David channels for the first time on Pamela's show, delivering a message centered on intuition and the "static" of fear that blocks it. Resources mentioned: Awakened Magazine (www.awakenedmagazine.com); Awakened Hearts (book series); Sacred Bonds (upcoming anthology, Mother's Day 2026); Inspiration Rising (podcast); Behind the Lids (breathwork/meditation studio); New Living Expo (San Rafael, CA, April 17–19, 2026) Follow Live the Call with Pamela Downes for more conversations like this and find David Trotter's work at www.awakenedmagazine.com. Connect with Pamela Website https://spirit-calling.com/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/spiritcallingpamela YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@spiritcallingpamela LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/pameladownes/ This show is produced by Twisted Spur Media Ltd. Disclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during Live The Call Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Pamela Downes and/or her affiliates. Pamela Downes, Live The Call Podcast is not responsible for and do not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. Mentioned in this episode: Pamela Downes and San Qing AWAKEN & ACTIVATE: A MULTIDIMENSIONAL EXPERIENCE July 10th-11th 2026 https://immortaltaoistrites.com/pamela-downes
