For Better Or Work

Lisa Tan & Martin Rawls-Meehan
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This is a podcast for couples who work together or are thinking of working together, but will have relevant takeaways for anyone interested in relationship dynamics.  Each episode will feature a couple that works together, exploring the dynamics of their relationship as a whole. We’ll dive into the pros and cons of working together, how they approach work at work and the mental load at home, success stories, risks, avoiding the “echo chamber”, drawing boundaries and more.

Episodes

  1. May 15

    The Thought Partners: Lori Mihalich-Levin and Jason Levin

    What does it look like to have two entrepreneurs building separate businesses while raising a family?  Lori and Jason met in France as Rotary scholars — and their very first collaboration was planning a weekend trip to Aix-en-Provence. Over two decades later, they're each running their own successful businesses, coaching each other monthly, presenting together at conferences, and raising two kids. Hosts Lisa and Martin explore how this dual-entrepreneur couple has honed complementary skill sets, managed the chaos of early parenthood, and kept their partnership thriving. Lori Mahalich-Levin, JD believes in empowering working parents.  She is the founder and CEO of Mindful Return, author of Back to Work After Baby: How to Plan and Navigate a Mindful Return from Maternity Leave, co-host of the Parents at Work Podcast, and is a Certified Fair Play Facilitator.  100+ employers are proud to offer her signature return-to-work programs to their new parent colleagues as a parental leave benefit.  Lori is mama to two wonderful red-headed boys and is a health care lawyer in private practice.  Her thought leadership has been featured on dozens of podcasts and in publications including Forbes, The Washington Post, New York Times Parenting, and Thrive Global.  Jason Levin believes in the power of authentic relationships.  He is the founder of  Ready Set Launch LLC and the author of Relationships to Infinity: The Art and Science of Keeping in Touch.  Jason’s interactive keynotes, speaking engagements and trainings at AmLaw 100 law firms, Fortune 500 companies and Association conferences have empowered audiences to take their career management and business development strategies to the next level.  He is a frequent guest on  WTTG Fox 5 in Washington, DC and has been quoted in The Wall Street Journal, Money, Fortune and MarketWatch on business development and career management related topics. Jason resides in Washington, DC with his wonderful red headed wife and very active red headed sons. Jason and his wife, Lori Mihalich-Levin, co-host the Parents at Work Podcast. Together, the couple hosts the podcast Parents at Work, available on Apple, Spotify and YouTube. They even interviewed us! Check out the episode from April 6, 2026.  0:00 – Meet the Guests 1:02 – How Lori & Jason Met 4:12 – Founding Stories: Mindful Return & Ready Set Launch 9:54 – Supporting Each Other Through the Early Years 18:17 – Balancing Work Trips & Childcare 24:08 – Law + Business: Complementary Frameworks 29:59 – The Art of Keeping in Touch 38:12 – Monthly Peer Coaching Sessions 43:38 – Fair Play & Dividing Household Domains 47:52 – Working Together at Conferences 49:29 – Lightning Round 53:54 – Episode Recap Resources Mentioned: 📖 Fair Play by Eve Rodsky — book and documentary  📖 The Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande 📖 Back to Work After Baby: How to Plan and Navigate a Mindful Return From Maternity Leave by Lori Mihalich-Levin 📖 Relationships to Infinity by Jason Levin Mindful Return Ready Set Launch Connect with the Guests: Lori Mahalick Levin: mindfulreturn.com Jason Levin: readysetlaunch.net Have questions or have a recommendation for a guest for the podcast? Email lisat@impactteam.net Follow us on Instagram Follow us on LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisamtan/⁠ ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-rawls-meehan-68917118/⁠ For Better or Work with Lisa Tan and Martin Rawls-Meehan is a podcast about couples that work together. We have been married and working together for 14 years and have built a family and many side projects and passions during that time. This podcast is devoted to learning how other couples work together, developing community as we go.

    The Thought Partners: Lori Mihalich-Levin and Jason Levin

  2. Feb 14

    Getting the big stuff right - Gimena Pena Malcampo and Paul Hamel

    Which comes first - the marriage or the company? How do you involve your young children in your business decisions? What do you do when a big opprotunity presents itself with a very tight deadline? These are some of the questions we asked our inaugural guests Gimena Pena Malcampo and Paul Hamel, married couple and co-founders of Pier 1 Marketing and HR Flip. They embody of setting guidelines about the big stuff (go/no go working together rules and company values) and the right collective appetite for strategic decisions. We also really admire the example they've set for their daughter, giving her insight into their brains and work. You can find Gimena and Paul here: https://www.linkedin.com/companies/pier-2-marketing https://www.linkedin.com/company/hrflip https://www.linkedin.com/in/gimenapena/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamelp/ Have questions or have a recommendation for a guest for the podcast? Email lisat@impactteam.net Follow us on Instagram Follow us on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisamtan/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-rawls-meehan-68917118/ For Better or Work with Lisa Tan and Martin Rawls-Meehan is a podcast about couples that work together. We have been married and working together for 14 years and have built a family and many side projects and passions during that time. This podcast is devoted to learning how other couples work together, developing community as we go.

    Getting the big stuff right - Gimena Pena Malcampo and Paul Hamel
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This is a podcast for couples who work together or are thinking of working together, but will have relevant takeaways for anyone interested in relationship dynamics.  Each episode will feature a couple that works together, exploring the dynamics of their relationship as a whole. We’ll dive into the pros and cons of working together, how they approach work at work and the mental load at home, success stories, risks, avoiding the “echo chamber”, drawing boundaries and more.

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  • Creator
    Lisa Tan & Martin Rawls-Meehan
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    2
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Lisa Tan & Martin Rawls-Meehan
  • Show Website
    For Better Or Work