Wellness Law Podcast

Barbara Zabawa
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Are you interested in or already have a wellness business? Perhaps you deliver employee wellness services, or practice as a health coach, functional medicine provider, lifestyle or relationship expert, spiritual coach, integrative and holistic health practitioner, or you invent wellness products and devices. Regardless of your role, you need to stay on top of the law that affects the wellness industry. This podcast will feature wellness industry experts and thought leaders and explain how the law affects what they do. You will learn about the latest lawsuits, investigations, and research that can help your wellness business reduce risk and thrive.

  1. 2d ago

    Setting Standards for Health & Wellness Coaching in Healthcare - Jennifer Lundman

    Host Barbara Zabawa interviews Jennifer Lundman, executive director of the Institute for Behavior Change, about why the Institute was founded in the last year to develop credible, sustainable standards for health and wellness coaching—especially for coaches working inside healthcare systems. Lundman describes collaborating with coaches, health systems, and healthcare professionals to confront skepticism and stigma around “wellness,” clarify scope of practice, and build governance, integrity, and evidence for the profession. She shares that the Institute has developed standards, psychometrically validated competencies, and will launch a beta exam soon, with next steps including advocacy, implementation science-based clinical workflows, and research to strengthen generalizable evidence and expand access in underserved communities. They discuss billing codes as still “to be determined” and announce the Catalyst Convening in Columbia, Missouri (July 31 reception; August 1–2 main event), with details at instituteforbehaviorchange.org. 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 01:13 What Is the Institute 03:22 Why Standards Matter 05:09 Healthcare Skepticism and Scope 09:10 Validated Competencies and Exam 10:04 Implementation and Research Pillars 13:12 Protecting Coaching as a Profession 15:43 Billing Codes Reality Check 17:10 Catalyst Convening Details 19:34 Wrap Up and Resources Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com.

    20 min

  2. May 29

    Thriving Under Pressure: The Vascular Impact of Stress in High-Stress Workplaces

    Host Barbara Zabawa welcomes Mark Brezzell, a former cardiovascular perfusionist with over 20 years in medical affairs who now runs a wellness business focused on the vascular impact of stress. Drawing on his experience in cardiac surgery and developing vascular stents, Brezzell explains that many serious vascular conditions stem from lifestyle and long-term stress, and argues for prevention rather than only medical or legal “intervention.” He outlines practical principles for sustainable performance—fresh air, sunshine, rest, hydration, diet, exercise, and reducing processed foods that drive inflammation—and urges individuals to audit daily habits. Brezzell also advises employers and law firms to address organizational contributors to stress by building in breaks, healthy options, and perspectives that reduce burnout, absenteeism, and declining productivity, noting stress is a physiological condition that can manifest over years and increasingly at younger ages. Learn more about Mark's work at https://www.mdbliveconnext.com/about or visit his LinkedIn page. 00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro 01:34 Why Stress and Vascular Health 02:53 Prevention Over Intervention 05:27 Law and Medicine Parallels 07:11 Eight Principles for Performance 10:35 Workplace Culture and Leadership 13:35 Making the Business Case 17:24 Toxic Culture and Warning Signs 19:22 When Stress Becomes Disease 21:43 Employer Incentives and Age 25:14 How to Connect and Final Takeaway 28:16 Podcast Outro and Resources Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com.

    29 min

  3. May 19

    How Third to First Reimagines EPLI to Support Employees and Reduce Toxic Workplace Culture

    Host Barbara Zabawa welcomes Kit Chaskin and Lauren Golanty, co-founders of Third to First, to discuss how traditional Employment Practices Liability Insurance (EPLI) frames employees who report harassment or discrimination as adverse third parties, discouraging reporting and shaping HR and management practices. They explain their “Third to First” endorsement, which converts EPLI to first-party reimbursement coverage for verified employee-on-employee Title VII harms after a company investigation, helping fund efforts to make survivors whole (such as counseling or team transfers) while also supporting accountability for harassers, including potential termination and related claims. The guests share their timeline from early R&D to Fast Company recognition and describe their services helping employers, brokers, and insurers implement the endorsement and roll it out internally to encourage early reporting and safer workplaces. Learn more at https://www.thirdtofirst.com/,  00:00 Welcome and Introductions 02:01 What Is EPLI 03:45 Why EPLI Hurts Workers 06:01 Third to First Solution 06:58 Origin Story and R&D 09:39 How the Endorsement Works 12:16 Training and Systemic Change 14:37 Reporting and HR Trust Gap 16:53 Rollout and Early Reporting 18:53 Services and Business Model 21:03 Who Adopts This 22:38 How to Learn More 24:32 Closing Thanks Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com.

    25 min

  4. Mar 16

    Workplace Bullying, Executive Abuse & Accountability: Kim Williams on the Fair Path Project

    Host Barbara Zabawa interviews Kim Williams, founder of the Fair Path Project, about confronting workplace bullying—especially executive abuse—and its impact on employee wellbeing and organizational culture. Williams, a former U.S. diplomat and veteran HR executive, shares how she was directed into HR, why work is central to people’s lives, and how her own experience being abused by a chief executive revealed gaps in accountability when boards and counsel refuse to act. She explains how Fair Path Project builds leverage for employees and HR through training, consulting, coaching, and “leverage labs,” and highlights emerging accountability via liability insurers that raise premiums or require remediation when companies tolerate harassment and toxic culture. Williams also describes efforts to connect affected workers with attorneys, share creative legal strategies, and quantify the financial cost of keeping a “brilliant jerk.” 00:00 Welcome to the Podcast 00:15 Meet Kim Williams 02:23 Why Work Shapes Wellness 03:25 Surviving Executive Abuse 05:38 What Fair Path Does 15:13 Leverage Labs and Legal Paths 17:23 Coaching HR and Executives Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com.

    20 min

  5. Mar 2

    Lift Our Voices: Ending Forced Arbitration & NDAs to Protect Workplace Wellbeing

    Host Barbara Zabawa welcomes Gretchen Carlson and Julie Roginsky to discuss Lift Our Voices, founded in 2019 to combat workplace silencing through forced arbitration and non-disclosure agreements that often block employees from going to court and speaking about sexual misconduct and other discrimination. Carlson describes her advocacy following her Fox News sexual harassment case and the effort to change laws, while Roginsky explains how an NDA prevented her from helping a rape survivor, motivating her to join the fight. They detail two bipartisan federal laws they helped pass: the Ending Forced Arbitration of Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment Act (effective for misconduct after March 3, 2022) and the Speak Out Act addressing pre-dispute NDAs, plus state-level NDA bans and their broader impact. They also cite research showing NDA bans do not reduce settlements and urge workplace wellness professionals to educate employees about these legal rights. Learn more about Lift Our Voices here. 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 01:23 What Is Lift Our Voices 03:11 Julie’s Story and Founding 05:14 Workplace Wellness Connection 06:32 Ending Forced Arbitration Act 08:42 Speak Out Act and State Wins 12:22 Research and Real World Impact 16:15 Advice for Wellness Leaders 19:23 Closing and How to Help Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com.

    20 min

  6. Jan 27

    Surviving Bully Culture: Workplace Bullying and Legal Insights with Andy Regal

    Welcome to the Wellness Law Podcast! In this episode, host Barbara Zabawa interviews Andy Regal, former executive producer at CNBC and global head of video for the Wall Street Journal. Now focusing on workplace bullying, Andy shares insights from his 25 years in the media industry and his upcoming book, 'Surviving Bully Culture: A Career Navigating Workplace Bullying and a Guide for Healing.' Andy reveals the alarming prevalence of workplace bullying and underscores its legal ambiguities. The discussion highlights practical solutions, including implementing workplace codes of conduct to combat bullying. Tune in to learn about the impact of bullying on employee wellness and productivity, and discover ways to foster a healthier work environment. Visit wellnesslaw.com for more resources and subscribe to stay updated. 00:00 Introduction to the Wellness Law Podcast 00:19 Meet Andy Regal: Media Executive Turned Workplace Bullying Advocate 00:54 The Relevance of Workplace Bullying to Wellness Law 02:15 Understanding Workplace Bullying: Definitions and Personal Experiences 03:19 The Legal Landscape of Workplace Bullying 07:34 Proposed Solutions: Codes of Conduct and Corporate Wellness 11:53 The Impact of Bullying on Employee Wellbeing and Productivity 16:37 Resources and Upcoming Events 19:01 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com.

    20 min

  7. 09/13/2025

    Advocating for Health Coach Reimbursement with Margaret Moore

    In this episode of the Wellness Law Podcast, host Barbara Zabawa welcomes Margaret Moore, also known as Coach Meg, the CEO of Wellcoaches. They discuss Coach Meg's extensive efforts advocating for Medicare reimbursement for health coaching services. They delve into the history and current progress of obtaining recognition and reimbursement for health coaches, the strategic partnership with the medical community, and the role of health coaching in chronic disease management. They also talk about the potential inclusion of health and wellness coaching in the Physician Fee Schedule as well as the importance of coaches being part of the healthcare team. Tune in to learn about the pivotal moment for the health coaching profession and the exciting steps ahead. Follow Coach Meg on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachmeg/. 00:00 Introduction to the Wellness Law Podcast 00:20 Meet Coach Meg: Advocate for Health Coach Rights 01:15 The Journey of Health Coaching Advocacy 03:19 Current Efforts and Government Involvement 05:34 The Importance of Coaching in Healthcare 14:40 Challenges and Misconceptions in Health Coaching 27:32 The Future of Health Coaching and AI 30:36 Conclusion and Contact Information Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com.

    33 min

  8. 08/24/2025

    Navigating Nutrition Laws and Wellness Practice with Darrell Rogers

    Welcome to the Wellness Law Podcast! In this episode, host Barbara Zabawa welcomes Darrell Rogers from the Holistic Council. Together, they discuss critical licensing and nutrition practice issues affecting wellness practitioners. Darryl shares insights from his extensive experience in health and wellness policy and advocacy, including his work on Capitol Hill and with various health organizations. Key topics include the role of state laws in regulating nutrition services, the importance of using appropriate language to avoid legal risks, and the need for professional liability insurance. They also explore the broader implications of health freedom and the impact of consumer empowerment in wellness. Tune in for an engaging conversation that bridges policy, practice, and the future of holistic health. Learn more about the great work done by the Holistic Council by visiting https://holisticcouncil.org/. 00:00 Introduction to the Wellness Law Podcast 00:20 Meet Darrell Rogers: Expert on Nutrition Laws 01:04 Licensing Issues in Nutrition Practice 02:47 First Amendment and Wellness Coaching 05:58 The Concept of Prevention in Medicine 16:08 Legal Risks for Unlicensed Practitioners 18:01 Building Trust in the Wellness Industry 20:11 Supporting the Holistic Council 21:14 Conclusion and Resources Learn more about Wellness Law at www.wellnesslaw.com.

    22 min
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Are you interested in or already have a wellness business? Perhaps you deliver employee wellness services, or practice as a health coach, functional medicine provider, lifestyle or relationship expert, spiritual coach, integrative and holistic health practitioner, or you invent wellness products and devices. Regardless of your role, you need to stay on top of the law that affects the wellness industry. This podcast will feature wellness industry experts and thought leaders and explain how the law affects what they do. You will learn about the latest lawsuits, investigations, and research that can help your wellness business reduce risk and thrive.

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