Vulnerability in leadership is the conversation almost no one wants to have out loud. We praise the people who push through, stay strong, and never complain. We hand them the promotion and the pat on the back. And we rarely ask what it is costing them when they finally get home. In this episode of Got Your Six, Dr. Traci sits down with Captain Steve Mills, a retired US Navy chaplain who has spent more than three decades walking beside people through combat, crisis, grief, and now hospice care. Steve has done the death notifications. He has sat in silence with a sailor who just needed someone to be there. He has buried two siblings and built a fort in his backyard to honor his brother. He knows what real strength looks like, and it is not silence. Together they take apart one of the biggest misconceptions in leadership: that strength and suffering always look different. Sometimes the strongest person in the room is simply the one who has learned to hide the pain the best. Steve and Dr. Traci talk about the conversations leaders avoid, starting with the ones they refuse to have with themselves. They get honest about fear, rejection, grief, burnout, and the rising rate of suicide among veterans and the people we lead every single day. This one is raw, real, and no fluff. If you are leading while exhausted, carrying more than people can see, or quietly wondering how much longer you can hold it together, this conversation is for you. In this episode, you’ll discover: What vulnerability in leadership actually looks like, and why it is a strength and not a weakness The conversations leaders avoid most, starting with the ones they will not have with themselves Why strength is not the absence of struggle How servant leadership builds trust faster than authority ever will What a "ministry of presence" teaches us about showing up for the people we lead Why silence feels safe, and how it quietly isolates the people everyone depends on How to create emotional safety so honesty is not punished at work or at home What grief does when we ignore it, and why Steve says to embrace it instead of avoid it The link between leader burnout, mental health, and veteran suicide Simple, science-backed ways to release the pressure: humor, movement, mirror work, and real connection We talk about: 00:00 The conversation most leaders are afraid to have out loud 02:30 Meet Captain Steve Mills: Navy chaplain, firefighter, and hospice chaplain 04:00 "You can't do it alone": the helicopter crash that changed everything 06:30 From a wheelchair to six marathons: Steve's story 08:30 Becoming a Navy chaplain and the leaders who made or broke the mission 11:00 Life in thirds: firefighting, chaplaincy, and hospice 12:30 "Keep walking": the tagline behind the man 15:30 The conversations leaders avoid, and why they start with yourself 17:30 Servant leadership and the fear of being rejected 20:00 Vulnerability in leadership: why we hide it and what it costs 22:00 Silence, processing, and how strong people isolate themselves 25:00 The ministry of presence: being embedded with your people 28:00 The coldest baptism and leading from the front 29:30 Why humor heals and how laughter releases the pressure 31:00 Mirror work: the self work most leaders skip 35:30 Ten minutes of silence: the counseling session Steve never forgot 40:30 What people misunderstand about strength 42:30 Creating environments where honesty is not punished 43:30 "Now is not your time": grief, focus, and the time and place for everything 44:30 When crying is your body releasing the emotion 47:00 Burnout, mental health, and the suicide conversation we keep avoiding 49:00 Anger, faith, and the outlets that keep you whole 53:00 Grief as a gift: sunflowers, Fort Keith, and honoring the people we lose 58:00 Strength is not the absence of struggle: the takeaway 59:00 An invitation to lead with clarity, resilience, and support Resources: Traci is offering one free month inside one of her three membership communities for listeners of this episode. To claim it, schedule a free 20-minute call using the link in the show notes and include one takeaway from this conversation when you book. This is not a sales call. It is simply to make sure you land in the right group for where you are right now: https://drtraci.erbusinessconsulting.com/book-a-discovery-call Connect with Steve Website: https://www.etiw.org/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sdmills Connect with me Leadership Call: https://www.erbusinessconsulting.com/coaching/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-traci-55410868/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrTraciER/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drtraci_battletested/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gotyoursixpodcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@erbusinessconsulting Website: https://www.erbusinessconsulting.com/ https://drtraci.erbusinessconsulting.com/battle-tested-leadership-action-plan #VulnerabilityInLeadership #LeadershipAndMentalHealth #StrengthIsNotSilence