Stubby Talks Transformation

Dave Stubberfield

The podcast for people responsible for making change actually happen in organisations and in life. This isn’t about frameworks, buzzwords, or polished case studies. It’s about the messy middle - the reality between deciding to change and getting change to stick. In each episode, Dave Stubberfield sits down with CEOs, founders, operations leaders and transformation experts to have honest, peer-level conversations about what’s really happening inside organisations. You’ll hear the stories that don’t make it into case studies: navigating silos, firefighting vs improvement, culture lagging behind strategy, leadership pressure and the human side of transformation. If you’re leading change and it feels harder than the theory suggests, this podcast is for you.

Episodes

  1. 2d ago

    Stubby Talks Transformation | Episode 11: Mike Gillespie

    In this episode of Stubby Talks Transformation, Dave Stubberfield sits down with organisational psychologist Mike Gillespie to explore what real change looks like inside organisations — and inside ourselves. The conversation centres on the idea that transformation begins with perspective: when people can step back, see the bigger picture, and understand the human side of change, they’re far more likely to move from resistance to commitment. Mike explains how organisational psychology applies core psychological principles to the workplace, helping people work better together while also improving business outcomes. He introduces the concept behind his book Distancing, co-authored with Captain David Marquet, which focuses on psychological distancing as a practical tool for better decision-making.  The discussion covers self-distancing, third-person reflection, construal level theory, and why getting out of your own head can lead to clearer thinking, better relationships, and stronger leadership. The episode also digs into change management, with Mike emphasising that top-down change rarely works long term unless leaders first understand employees’ fears, motivations, and perspectives. He shares personal reflections on divorce, self-awareness, parenting, and the hard-earned lessons that came from realising how easily people can fool themselves into thinking they’re doing better than they really are. Throughout the conversation, one message stands out: if you want lasting transformation, slow down, listen deeply, and understand the people involved before trying to move them forward. Key Topics: What organisational psychology is and why it mattersWhy work is a powerful place to create meaningful changeThe difference between helping people one-on-one and helping at scaleThe value of starting from curiosity, not certainty, in your careerThe book Distancing and the idea of psychological distancingUsing third-person language to gain clarity and perspectiveSelf-awareness, ego, and how we rationalise our own behaviourHow perspective shapes transformation at both personal and organisational levelsWhy employees resist change when they don’t feel understoodThe importance of purpose, mission, and values in change leadershipThe importance of slowing down and understanding your people before leading change Key Takeaways: People don’t usually resist change itself — they resist change they don’t understand.Perspective is often the first real step in transformation.Self-awareness is not just a personal skill; it is a leadership tool.Compliance may get short-term results, but commitment creates lasting change.• • The best leaders listen before they act.

  2. Mar 18

    Stubby Talks Transformation | Episode 2: Javier Romero

    Stubby Talks Transformation - Episode 2: Javier Romero In this episode of Stubby Talks Transformation, I chat with Javier Romero, founder of Oson Limited, to explore the intricacies of organisational change. They discuss the evolution of Javier's career from social anthropology to consulting, the unique challenges faced by SMEs, and the common misconceptions surrounding organisational design. The conversation emphasises the importance of culture, communication, and empathy in driving successful change initiatives, while also addressing the costs of inaction and the role of technology in transformation. Javier shares insights on the holistic approach to organizational design, the change curve, and the differences in change management practices between the UK and the US. The episode concludes with rapid-fire questions that highlight key takeaways for leaders. Takeaways - Organisational design encompasses all aspects of an organisation. - Culture and communication are critical for effective change. - SMEs often feel excluded from consulting services. - The cost of inaction can compound over time. - Emotions play a significant role in organisational dynamics. - Technology should be considered last in change initiatives. - Leaders must engage employees in the change process. - Misconceptions about organisational design can hinder progress. - Holistic approaches yield better outcomes in transformation. - Effective communication breaks down silos within organisations.

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The podcast for people responsible for making change actually happen in organisations and in life. This isn’t about frameworks, buzzwords, or polished case studies. It’s about the messy middle - the reality between deciding to change and getting change to stick. In each episode, Dave Stubberfield sits down with CEOs, founders, operations leaders and transformation experts to have honest, peer-level conversations about what’s really happening inside organisations. You’ll hear the stories that don’t make it into case studies: navigating silos, firefighting vs improvement, culture lagging behind strategy, leadership pressure and the human side of transformation. If you’re leading change and it feels harder than the theory suggests, this podcast is for you.