The Whole Pack

Where animal care professionals come together for the animals.

The Whole Pack brings together professionals across the animal care world to explore the many ways we support animals and the humans who love them. Hosted by Melissa Sherman and Sunny Gandara, the podcast features honest conversations with practitioners, educators, and experts from different modalities, all working toward the same goal of animals thriving. thewholepack.substack.com

  1. When to Refer Out: Knowing When a Client or Case Is No Longer the Right Fit

    5d ago

    When to Refer Out: Knowing When a Client or Case Is No Longer the Right Fit

    In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny explore one of the hardest parts of working in the holistic pet space: knowing when to refer out a case or let go of a client relationship that is no longer serving the animal. They discuss intuition, compliance, burnout, boundaries, scarcity, difficult client dynamics, and how referrals can actually become a form of deeper support rather than failure. This conversation also explores the importance of collaboration, building trusted referral networks, and staying grounded in integrity while navigating emotionally complex cases. Timestamps: 01:55 Melissa’s First Referral Experience 04:50 Sunny’s Chronic Cat Case 09:28 Ignoring Intuition 11:20 Discovery Calls + Readiness 18:00 Referral Networks 22:00 Scarcity + Difficult Cases 26:00 Collaboration Between Practitioners 31:30 Referrals + Integrity Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health. If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow The Whole Pack: Instagram: @thewholepack_ Facebook: @thewholepack YouTube: @thewholepack Connect with the hosts: Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek Website: calmingcreek.com Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

    36 min
  2. The Comparison Trap: Social Media, Self-Doubt, and Losing Your Voice in Holistic Pet Care

    May 26

    The Comparison Trap: Social Media, Self-Doubt, and Losing Your Voice in Holistic Pet Care

    In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny explore how social media comparison impacts holistic pet professionals and animal care practitioners. They discuss the pressure to keep up online, comparison and self-doubt, pricing anxiety, perfectionism, visibility, and how easy it is to lose your authentic voice while trying to follow trends or perform for the algorithm. This conversation also explores how comparison affects confidence, creativity, and nervous system regulation, and how to create healthier boundaries with social media while still growing your business. An honest discussion about staying grounded in your own work, trusting your voice, and building a business that feels aligned instead of performative. Timestamps 00:34 The Comparison Trap03:40 Why It Gets Personal08:20 Comparison + Triggers09:45 Losing Your Voice11:25 Pricing Anxiety18:00 Auditing Your Feed24:00 Content Batching28:15 Returning to Your Why33:15 Final Thoughts Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health. If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow The Whole Pack: Instagram: @thewholepack_ Facebook: @thewholepack YouTube: @thewholepack Connect with the hosts: Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek ebsite: calmingcreek.com Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

    36 min
  3. May 19

    What Happens When a Vet and Holistic Pet Coach Actually Work Together

    In this special episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny welcome their first guest, Dr. Michelle Rocque of Full Circle Veterinary Hospital. Together, they explore what real collaboration between veterinarians and holistic pet professionals can look like, and why integrative care may be the future of pet wellness. They discuss corporate veterinary medicine and burnout, nutrition and raw feeding, vaccine titers, communication in veterinary care, and how collaborative care can create better outcomes for animals and their people. This is an honest, hopeful conversation about what happens when practitioners stop competing and start working together. Timestamps: 00:33 Introducing Dr. Michelle Rocque03:03 Dr. Michelle’s Integrative Journey08:58 Corporate Vet Medicine17:00 Challenges in Veterinary Practice20:20 How the Collaboration Started27:16 Raw Feeding + Veterinary Resistance31:00 Nutrition in Vet School35:05 Why This Collaboration Matters About Dr. Michelle Rocque Dr. Michelle Rocque is the owner of Full Circle Veterinary Hospital in the Hudson Valley region of New York. Her practice integrates conventional veterinary medicine with holistic modalities including nutrition, herbal medicine, homeopathy, and nutraceutical support. Website: fullcirclevethospital.com Phone: 845-234-4417 Facebook: Full Circle Veterinary Hospital Instagram: @full_circle_vet Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health. If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow The Whole Pack: Instagram: @thewholepack_ Facebook: @thewholepack YouTube: @thewholepack Connect with the hosts: Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek Website: calmingcreek.com Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

    40 min
  4. How to Start a Holistic Pet Business: Marketing, Niching, and Getting Your First Clients

    May 12

    How to Start a Holistic Pet Business: Marketing, Niching, and Getting Your First Clients

    In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny talk about what it really looks like to start a holistic pet business when you have little or no business experience. They explore: > how to get your first clients > why conversations matter more than perfect branding > how to niche down without boxing yourself in > visibility, perfectionism, and fear of being seen > and why “done” is often better than perfect This episode is filled with practical advice for holistic pet professionals, animal communicators, pet coaches, and wellness practitioners trying to turn their passion into a sustainable business. Timestamps 00:05 Starting a Holistic Pet Business05:03 Conversations vs. Perfect Websites07:44 Sell It Before You Build It11:10 Talking About What You Do15:15 Niching Down20:27 Visibility + Fear24:20 Charging From Day One30:30 Action Over Perfection Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health. If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow The Whole Pack: Instagram: @thewholepack_ Facebook: @thewholepack YouTube: @thewholepack Connect with the hosts: Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek Website: calmingcreek.com Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

    42 min
  5. Money Mindset for Holistic Pet Professionals: Why You’re Undercharging and Burning Out

    May 5

    Money Mindset for Holistic Pet Professionals: Why You’re Undercharging and Burning Out

    In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny dive into money mindset in the holistic pet space and why so many practitioners struggle to charge what they’re worth. They explore how undercharging, overgiving, and scarcity thinking lead to burnout, and why helping animals and making money are not opposites. This conversation covers: * the real reason caregivers undervalue their work * how pricing impacts your energy, clients, and sustainability * why financial stability is essential to helping more animals * and how to shift from scarcity into a more supportive mindset If you’ve ever felt guilty charging for your work, this episode will challenge that and offer a different way forward. Timestamps 02:26 Undercharging + Overdelivering05:11 Value of Your Work09:35 Boundaries + Overgiving13:01 Burnout + Financial Stress15:17 Sustainable Pricing21:31 Shifting Into Service24:20 Client Alignment30:10 Rethinking Money Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health. If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow The Whole Pack: Instagram: @thewholepack_ Facebook: @thewholepack YouTube: @thewholepack Connect with the hosts: Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek Website: calmingcreek.com Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

    36 min
  6. Imposter Syndrome in Holistic Pet Care: Why You Still Don’t Feel Qualified

    Apr 28

    Imposter Syndrome in Holistic Pet Care: Why You Still Don’t Feel Qualified

    In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny dive into imposter syndrome - how it shows up in the holistic pet space and why it doesn’t magically disappear with more experience. From second-guessing yourself during sessions to feeling like you’re not qualified enough, they unpack the common patterns many practitioners face, especially in work that requires intuition, emotional presence, and trust. They explore how imposter syndrome is often rooted in fear, perfectionism, and the pressure to prove yourself, and why it can lead to over-preparing, undercharging, and holding yourself back from opportunities. 00:33 What Imposter Syndrome Feels Like 01:34 Why It Shows Up (Even With Experience) 03:05 Women, Confidence + Conditioning 08:30 Perfectionism as Procrastination 12:00 Letting Go of Comparison 13:30 Tools to Move Through Fear 21:00 Finding Your People 24:00 What We Wish We Knew 27:00 Intuitive Work + Trust Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health. If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow The Whole Pack: Instagram: @thewholepack_ Facebook: @thewholepack YouTube: @thewholepack Connect with the hosts: Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek Website: calmingcreek.com Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

    31 min
  7. Compassion Fatigue and When Caring Starts to Cost You

    Apr 21

    Compassion Fatigue and When Caring Starts to Cost You

    In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny explore compassion fatigue. The quiet, cumulative burnout that can happen when you’re constantly holding space for animals and the people who love them. Whether you’re a veterinarian, vet tech, rescue worker, pet health coach, or animal communicator, the emotional weight of this work can build over time, especially when self-care falls to the bottom of the list. They walk through the subtle, and not-so-subtle, signs of compassion fatigue, including irritability, impatience, avoidance, emotional numbness, physical exhaustion, negative self-talk, and imposter syndrome. They also unpack why it happens, how repeated exposure to stress and trauma, combined with the pressure to stay “professional,” can quietly disconnect you from yourself. A powerful story of a veterinarian moving from euthanasia directly into a puppy visit highlights the emotional whiplash many professionals experience and the importance of extending compassion not just to animals and clients, but to ourselves. This conversation offers grounded, practical ways to both prevent and recover from burnout, including setting boundaries, creating supportive routines, prioritizing rest and nutrition, and incorporating simple nervous system resets like movement, breath, sound, and time in nature. If you’ve been feeling stretched thin, disconnected, or questioning your capacity, this episode is a reminder that you’re not alone and there are ways to come back to yourself. 01:42 Signs of Compassion Fatigue 04:05 Shelter Trauma + Emotional Detachment 05:38 Why It Happens + Self-Compassion 09:13 From Loss to Puppy Visit (Real-Life Vet Story) 12:38 Guilt + The Pressure of Being “On” 13:36 Quick Resets + Supportive Self-Care 17:55 Daily Routines to Prevent Burnout 20:27 Community, Empathy + Shared Experience 24:41 Boundaries, Rates + Resentment  27:47 Wrap Up Time Off and Listener Qs  Enjoying the podcast? Follow, share, and leave a review, it helps more people find The Whole Pack and supports the work we’re doing. Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health. Follow The Whole Pack: Instagram: @thewholepack_ Facebook: @thewholepack YouTube: @thewholepack Connect with the hosts: Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek Website: calmingcreek.com Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

    32 min
  8. The Divide in Pet Care: Why Vets & Holistic Practitioners Need to Work Together

    Apr 14

    The Divide in Pet Care: Why Vets & Holistic Practitioners Need to Work Together

    In this episode of The Whole Pack, Melissa and Sunny explore the growing divide between conventional veterinary medicine and holistic pet care, and how pets and their guardians often end up caught in the middle. They unpack how social media, unvetted advice, and ego-driven messaging can amplify confusion, leaving pet parents overwhelmed and unsure who to trust. The conversation highlights key contributors to this divide, including industry influence in veterinary education, inconsistent standards in holistic certifications, and branding that positions practitioners as “anti-vet” or “anti-holistic.” Rather than choosing sides, Melissa and Sunny advocate for a more integrated approach. They emphasize the importance of diagnostics like blood work alongside nutrition, lifestyle, and holistic support, and encourage practitioners to stay within their scope while continuing to learn and collaborate. Sunny shares a real-life example of building a successful partnership with her veterinarian, Dr. Michelle, illustrating how coordinated care, clear communication, and mutual respect can lead to better outcomes, including the management of a complex IBD case. This episode is a call to shift out of competition and into collaboration. Whether you’re a veterinarian or a holistic practitioner, the invitation is simple: start conversations, build relationships, and focus on what truly matters, supporting the animal. What You’ll Hear in This Episode: * Why pets and their guardians often feel stuck between conflicting advice * The role of social media in spreading confusion and misinformation * How ego and “tribalism” impact pet care decisions * The gaps and strengths on both the veterinary and holistic sides * Why diagnostics and holistic support work best together * How to build trust and collaborate across disciplines * A real-world example of integrative care in action * Practical ways practitioners can begin working together Enjoyed this episode? We’d love your support. Follow, share, and leave a review to help more people find The Whole Pack. 01:47 Social Media Misinformation 03:09 Why The Divide Exists 05:22 Credentials And Collaboration 13:39 Building Vet Partnerships 18:22 Professional Collaboration Tips 20:21 Beyond Vets Working Together 23:42 Call To Collaborate Disclaimer: This podcast is intended for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional veterinary or medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult your veterinarian or a qualified professional regarding your animal’s health. If you enjoyed this conversation, consider subscribing to The Whole Pack on Substack or wherever you listen to podcasts. Follow The Whole Pack: Instagram: @thewholepack_ Facebook: @thewholepack YouTube: @thewholepack Connect with the hosts: Melissa Sherman – Calming Creek Website: calmingcreek.com Instagram: @calmingcreekhealing Sunny Gandara – Nacho Average Dog Health Coach Website: nachoaveragedoghealthcoach.com Instagram: @nachoaveragedoghealthcoach This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thewholepack.substack.com

    27 min

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The Whole Pack brings together professionals across the animal care world to explore the many ways we support animals and the humans who love them. Hosted by Melissa Sherman and Sunny Gandara, the podcast features honest conversations with practitioners, educators, and experts from different modalities, all working toward the same goal of animals thriving. thewholepack.substack.com

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