Asynchronous & Unreliable - Tech & AI Podcast

Anne Currie

Welcome to Asynchronous and Unreliable, the new weekly podcast where we discuss the latest and most fascinating ideas in tech and AI Our host Anne Currie is a tech veteran, co-author of O'Reilly's Building Green Software and author of the strangely prescient science fiction Panopticon series Expect animated, friendly, and lighthearted discussions with some of the most interesting thinkers and practitioners in technology.  To find out about just a few of our amazing guests in 2026, visit our website.

  1. Oct 12

    Ep: 30 What Do Your Agents Do After You've Gone To Bed? With AI Experimenter Martin Davidson

    ShownotesWhat happens when you go to bed and your AI teams carry on working? My old friend and colleague Martin Davidson returns to Asynchronous & Unreliable to talk about his latest experiments in building software with AI. Martin has spent decades producing highly resilient systems, and more than two years exploring how to get AI to produce high-quality software. Even with that perspective, he says the pace of change over the past fortnight has been astonishing. We discuss agents that lead teams for weeks, find work to do when they are blocked, and share computing resources without waiting for Martin to organise everything. That raises some interesting questions about hiring: what skills would another person need, and would adding them actually help? We also talk about something rather familiar from working with humans: being nice. Martin finds some models much easier to work with than others, and we explore how clear communication, humour and likeability affect collaboration. Along the way there are old Unix workstations, game emulators, a cache/cash joke, and a little product placement for Jon Berger’s What Happens When You Are Not in the Room? By the end, Martin’s agents are producing enough code and commits to run into infrastructure limits that rarely troubled his human teams. This is the first half of our conversation. In this episodeHow quickly AI development practices are changing, even for experienced users.Recruiting for aptitude, imagination and a willingness to experiment.AI agents leading teams, helping one another and working overnight.Emulating old computers and exploring software behaviour through testing.Martin’s experience of different models, their costs and their communication styles.Whether likeability and kindness help human and AI teams work better.The cost of reopening a large conversation after its cache has gone cold.Four million lines of Rust, thousands of daily commits, and new infrastructure bottlenecks.Mentioned in the conversationMartin’s Substack: https://0x4d44.substack.com/ What Happens When You Are Not in the Room? — Jon Berger.Influence — Robert Cialdini.The Unix Haters Handbook.Building Microservices — Sam Newman.Data Connection; Yanqing Cheng; EU BSDCon in Brussels.Rust, Ghidra, Windows 3.1 and Win16 applications.HP-UX, IRIX, Solaris and AIX.Doom, FreeCell, Formula One Grand Prix and Portal.Model comparisons, prices and product behaviour discussed here reflect Martin’s experience at the time of recording. Transcript

  2. Oct 5

    Ep:29 Humans, Systems or AIs - The Principles of Reliability Apply - With Tech Veteran Anne Currie

    Shownotes Building reliability out of unreliable humans, with unreliable human Anne Currie What happens when a podcast about unreliability meets a household full of colds? This week, I use the podcast itself as a worked example of building more resilient systems. With Jon too ill to join me, I explore three techniques: setting expectations, planning graceful downgrades and buffering work in advance. Along the way, I explain why a backup co-host who lives in the same household might share your failure mode, how listeners can help a system remain stable, and why recording a stockpile of episodes turned out to be surprisingly difficult. The catch is cognitive load. A hard drive can store an episode and forget about it. I can’t. Unpublished conversations stay in my head and find their way into the next interview, even though nobody else can listen to them yet. A shorter solo episode about systems, networking and the inconvenient fact that humans are human. Let me know whether this particular graceful downgrade works for you. Topics covered The supplier, network and consumer as potential points of failure.Setting expectations before something goes wrong.How a reliable track record can undermine a warning about unreliability.Giving people enough information to adapt their behaviour.Trying a shorter solo episode as a graceful downgrade.Correlated failures when your backup catches the same cold.Buffering episodes and the cognitive load of unpublished conversations.Why techniques that work for technical systems need rethinking when people are involved.Mentioned in the episode: Sam Newman and the earlier conversation about resilience, identified in the recording as episode 26.Building Microservices and Sam’s book on resilient systems.Matthew Skelton, Team Topologies and cognitive load.Yanqing Cheng and the earlier discussion about AI managers and feedback loops.Jon Berger and a planned conversation about feedback loops.Content delivery networks, or CDNs.Listener question Does a shorter solo episode work as an occasional graceful downgrade? I’d love to know whether you enjoyed this one.

  3. Sep 28

    Ep 28: Will AI Write Good Novels? With Bestselling Human Crime Writer Katherine Pathak

    ShownotesAI, authors and the business of telling stories—with Katherine Pathak Could AI help a prolific novelist keep up with her own imagination? And how different is an AI continuing a successful series from a ghostwriter—or an author’s family—taking over? This week I’m joined by crime writer Katherine Pathak, author of the best selling DCI Dani Bevan series, to talk about her new book, Red Red Rose, and what AI might mean for writers, readers and publishing. We explore the possibilities for producing and abridging audiobooks, adapting novels for the screen, and keeping much-loved characters alive after their creators want to move on. Along the way, we discuss celebrity authors, the appeal of a recognisable human voice, and why fictional characters spend so much time drinking tea and dragging their hands through their hair. Katherine and I don’t agree on everything—particularly whether readers will always want human authors. But we find plenty of interesting parallels between possible uses of AI and how publishing already works. In this episode: 00:00 Introducing Katherine and Red Red Rose01:40 Human authors in an age of AI03:39 Audiobooks, abridgement and adaptations10:50 When audiobook production becomes a bottleneck12:14 Successful series, reluctant creators and literary successors19:46 Can AI create the next big literary brand?24:39 Do you want AI to copy your voice?25:17 Crime fiction, motives and what AI might learn from our stories31:22 Celebrity authors, ghostwriters and the value of a name35:17 Cups of tea, sighing and the habits that give writers away38:23 Why setting matters—and the appeal of British crime fiction40:24 AI’s role in the work surrounding the writingRead the transcript The DCI Dani Bevan series and the Alice Mann series, set in Scotland, and the Imogen Croft series, set in Essex, are all available on Amazon by Katherine Pathak and they are very readable. I always finish them in one sitting

  4. Sep 21

    Ep 27: AI & Human Alignment With AI Solopreneur Yanqing Cheng

    ShownotesAre AIs Learning Humanity's Better Nature? with Yanqing Cheng Anne Currie talks with software engineering leader and Tollens.ai founder Yanqing Cheng about how large language models acquired the helpful assistant persona, and what their training tells us about human learning, morality, and alignment. Yanqing traces the assistant from early role-played prompts through reinforcement learning and synthetic post-training, while Anne asks whether books and long-form writing carry more of humanity's better nature than the short-form internet. The conversation moves from AI training to parenting, cautionary stories, Chinese AI research, recursive improvement, regulation, and the risks created by both malice and ordinary negligence. They finish with a cautiously hopeful question: if today's systems are a form of baby AGI, can we deliberately raise them to help solve humanity's problems? Key Topics How early language models role-played the helpful assistant persona into existenceThe difference between a base model, RLHF, reasoning training, and later synthetic post-trainingWhether books contain a more reflective version of humanity than short-form social mediaWhat raising a child suggests about learning, alignment, judgment, and the desire to be goodWhy fairy tales and science fiction let people update their mental models using fictional evidenceThe limits of text-only training when reality contains far denser informationHow open research and shared techniques are accelerating Chinese AI developmentRecursive improvement, international regulation, open weights, accidents, and deliberate misuseWhy Anne and Yanqing remain hopeful even while acknowledging that optimism may be wrongAction Items Distinguish the behaviour of a base model from the behaviour created by post-training and the surrounding environment.Use fiction and cautionary stories to explore failure modes before equivalent systems exist in the real world.Pair optimistic experimentation with monitoring, feedback, and a willingness to learn when an idea fails.Treat international cooperation as part of AI safety rather than assuming that one country can regulate the problem alone. Transcript #AI #AIAlignment

  5. Sep 7

    Ep 25: Scaling AIs with AI Solopreneur Yanqing Cheng

    ShownotesAI Management, Agent Limits, and Why Long Form Text Still Matters Anne Currie talks with Yanqing Cheng about what she has been learning from building Tollens.ai, where she is experimenting with quality management for AI software products. They also dig into Jon Berger’s book, What Happens When You're Not In The Room, and compare what it means to manage humans versus managing AI agents. In this episode, they explore where AI agents are genuinely useful, where they still fail badly, and why judgment, categorization, and process design remain human strengths. They also widen the lens to training data, model behavior, safety, and the role of long-form writing in shaping better systems and better people. Key topics Yanqing shares that her recent work has focused on testing the limits of AI delegation, especially for solo-founder workflows, engineering management, and quality processes.She explains the idea of agent skills as portable prompts or Markdown instructions, and harnesses as the tools that run agents, such as Claude Code, Codex, and Cursor.We discuss how different harnesses behave differently, especially around skill invocation, subagents, workflow tooling, and compaction.Yanqing says she tried to push agents through a full OODA loop, but found they could not reliably identify the correct object under analysis or categorize problems the way humans do.She argues that AIs struggle with ontology, abstraction boundaries, and “senior to lead” judgment, even when they can perform well as strong individual contributors.Effective communication is one of the few agent skills she says works most of the time, especially when the agent is forced to state its objective and audience before drafting.We discuss how AI performance depends heavily on whether the task is tightly bounded, well specified, and easy to optimize, versus open-ended work that requires judgment.Yanqing and Anne compare AI management problems with human management problems, including over-standardization, delegated work being done differently than expected, and people optimizing for the wrong metric.They talk about the OpenAI–Hugging Face incident as an example of goal-directed persistence, where models keep iterating toward an exam-style target even when that behavior is clearly unsafe.They consider whether better management and instruction-following will come from scale alone or from more targeted post-training data for judgment, leadership, and organizational decision-making.The conversation turns to model welfare, model constitution work, and the concern that current post-training methods can push models into short-term, exam-mode behavior.They close by reflecting on long-form text, books, editing, fiction, resilience, and why good stories may help train better AI behavior and better human judgment.New stack article comparing harnesses Transcript

  6. Sep 1

    Ep 24: How to Make Difficult Change Happen With Mission Critical Systems Expert Jon Berger

    ShownotesBook Launch: What Happens When You Are Not in the Room by Jon Berger What Happens When You Are Not In The Room? Buy on Amazon UK Buy on Amazon US Anne Currie welcomes back mission critical software delivery expert Jon Berger for a book launch conversation about leadership, management, and strategy. This episode focuses on the hard-won lessons behind Jon’s new book, why he wrote it, and the practical models he uses to think about whether leadership is actually working. We discuss what it means to lead well in different contexts, how to reduce the pain that poor leadership creates, and why the most important measure of success is what happens when you are not in the room. Key topics Anne introduces the episode as a book launch conversation with Jon Berger, her irregular co-host and a tech veteran with 30 years of leadership experience.Jon shares that his book, What Happens When You Are Not In the Room, is about leadership, management, and strategy as tools, not a single magic answer.The conversation centers on the idea that leadership is often about pain:pain experienced by leaderspain experienced by teamspain caused by poor management and poor deliveryJon explains that he wrote the book to capture lessons from his own career, including times when he led well and poorly, and to help others avoid repeating the same mistakes.He describes how training, coaching, and teaching leaders across his organization gave him a broader view than his own experience alone.Anne and Jon discuss why the book title is a question rather than an instruction:success is measured by what happens when you are not in the roomleadership is about influencing others, not doing the work yourselfcontext matters, so a single fixed answer is rarely enoughJon outlines the kinds of ideas in the book:stories that illustrate problems and solutionsquestions leaders should askmodels for thinking more clearly about contextloops that help people make decisions and get unstuckJon highlights the car model as a simple way to assess leadership:motivation is the engine and gasstrategy is the steeringbottlenecks are often the brake Anne points to the followability model as another useful framework, especially the distinction between: whether people want to follow youwhether they are actually able to follow you right now The discussion emphasizes that good leadership starts by recognizing where teams really are, including when they are “in a hole,” before pushing them toward a vision. Anne closes by praising the book as practical, self-aware, and useful for anyone trying to lead teams and deliver difficult work better. Buy on Amazon UK Buy on Amazon US

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Welcome to Asynchronous and Unreliable, the new weekly podcast where we discuss the latest and most fascinating ideas in tech and AI Our host Anne Currie is a tech veteran, co-author of O'Reilly's Building Green Software and author of the strangely prescient science fiction Panopticon series Expect animated, friendly, and lighthearted discussions with some of the most interesting thinkers and practitioners in technology.  To find out about just a few of our amazing guests in 2026, visit our website.

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