Meta-Conscious Leaders

Meta-Conscious Leaders

Reframing Business Leadership with Higher Purpose blending philosophy, science and spirituality with leadership practice

  1. Jun 22

    Leading from a DEEPER INTELLIGENCE with Joel Monk (#36)

    Joel Monk on Consciousness, Wisdom, AI and the Future of Leadership In this profound and practical conversation, Greg Suart is joined by Joel Monk, leadership coach, facilitator, teacher and co-founder of Coaches Rising. What if leadership is not primarily about having the answers? What if the most important capacity a leader can develop is the ability to listen — not only to data, strategy and analysis, but to a deeper intelligence that emerges through awareness, embodiment and relationship? Joel's journey has been anything but conventional. From art school and nightclub DJing to a spiritual pilgrimage through India and decades of work exploring human development, coaching, consciousness and transformational leadership, he has devoted his life to understanding how people access deeper levels of wisdom and possibility. Together Greg and Joel explore: - Why many leaders are trapped in a self-improvement paradigm - The difference between knowledge and wisdom - How intuition can inform decision-making - Why uncertainty may be one of leadership's greatest gifts - The role of embodiment in effective leadership - Internal Family Systems (IFS) and the hidden drivers of behaviour - Consciousness and the emerging post-materialist worldview - Interdependence, systems thinking and organisational design - AI and what it reveals about uniquely human capacities - Leadership as relationship rather than control - The question: "What does life want with me?" At a time when technology is accelerating, complexity is increasing and certainty is becoming harder to find, Joel argues that the future belongs not to those who can process the most information, but to those who can cultivate wisdom, presence and deeper forms of knowing. This is a conversation for business leaders, entrepreneurs, coaches and anyone interested in the evolution of leadership in a rapidly changing world. ──────────────────────── FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT Joel Monk: Coaches Rising: https://www.coachesrising.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joel-monk-33952613/ ──────────────────────── CHAPTERS 00:00 – The inner and outer journey of leadership 03:46 – Joel's path from DJ and artist to leadership coach 08:47 – India, awakening and the dissolution of self 15:39 – What is "deeper intelligence"? 18:04 – Knowledge versus wisdom in the age of AI 26:32 – Nervous systems, embodiment and leadership 27:51 – From self-improvement to unfoldment 30:26 – Internal Family Systems (IFS) explained 35:07 – Decision-making in uncertainty 40:29 – Bernardo Kastrup and consciousness as fundamental 47:39 – From separation to interdependence 55:29 – Leadership as relationship rather than individual performance 59:50 – Organisations as living ecosystems 1:04:56 – AI and the future of human leadership 1:08:06 – "Life, what do you want with me?" 1:09:37 – What consciousness is asking of leaders today

  2. Jun 8

    Fawzia Koofi: Conflict ~ Consciousness ~ Peace Making (#35)

    "The deeper question is whether human consciousness can evolve faster than the systems, fears and identities that keep reproducing conflict." — Fawzia Koofi At a time when division appears to be deepening across politics, business, communities and culture, former Afghan parliamentarian and peace negotiator Fawzia Koofi invites us to look beyond the visible manifestations of conflict and examine the forces that give rise to it. Fawzia's life has unfolded at the centre of some of the defining struggles of our age. As one of Afghanistan's most prominent political leaders, a former Vice President of the National Assembly, women's rights advocate, and member of the Afghan peace negotiation team, she has spent decades working in environments shaped by violence, instability, competing identities and profound inequality. Drawing upon her experiences negotiating directly with the Taliban, surviving assassination attempts, representing women and victims of war, and continuing her humanitarian work from exile, Fawzia offers a rare perspective on leadership under extreme pressure. Fawzia answers questions of the nature of conflict, the meaning of peace, the role of justice, and the qualities required of leaders navigating a world of increasing complexity. The conversation moves beyond geopolitics into questions that affect every organisation, every community and every leader. ~ How do we create space for different realities to coexist? ~ What happens when power is unequal? ~ How do we work with anger without becoming defined by it? ~ What role do purpose, faith, listening and human dignity play in building trust? And perhaps most importantly: ~ Can human consciousness mature quickly enough to meet the challenges of our time? ──────────────────────── ABOUT FAWZIA KOOFI Fawzia Koofi is one of Afghanistan's most distinguished political leaders and internationally recognised advocates for democracy, peace and women's rights. Born in Badakhshan Province, she rose from a childhood shaped by war and discrimination to become the first woman elected to the Afghan Parliament from her province and later Vice President of the National Assembly. For more than two decades she worked at the heart of Afghan public life, championing education, healthcare, human rights and the inclusion of women in political decision-making. Following the collapse of the Afghan Republic in 2021, she continued her advocacy from exile whilst remaining deeply connected to events inside her homeland. ──────────────────────── FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT Fawzia Koofi: Website: https://fawziakoofi.org LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fawziakoofi/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fawziakoofi77/?hl=en SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast is sponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk ──────────────────────── CHAPTERS 00:00 Introduction — Conflict, Consciousness and Peace-Making 02:40 Why This Conversation Matters for Leaders 03:40 Understanding the Nature of Modern Conflict 06:00 Leadership in an Era of Complexity and Change 12:00 Is Conflict an Opportunity for Growth? 17:20 Justice, Fairness and the Roots of Conflict 18:15 What Is Peace? 23:45 Peace, Leadership and Organisational Culture 25:40 Anger, Frustration and the Human Condition 30:30 Negotiating with the Taliban 34:50 Creating Space and Finding Your Voice 35:15 Women, Humanity and Peace-Building 39:10 Preparing Yourself for Difficult Conversations 42:30 Faith, Purpose and Inner Strength 49:30 Forgiveness, Retaliation and Moral Courage 53:50 Success, Failure and Long-Term Change 55:40 Consciousness, Intention and Leadership Presence 01:02:20 Negotiating When Power Is Unequal 01:06:00 Humanity, Values and Standing on the Right Side of History 01:08:25 Final Reflections for Leaders 01:09:40 Supporting Fawzia's Work 01:11:05 Closing Thoughts

  3. May 26

    Love, Fear and the Future of Leadership

    What place does love have in leadership and organisations? Can love coexist with performance, accountability and business reality — or is it something modern workplaces have suppressed? In this profound and deeply human conversation, Greg Suart speaks with leadership consultant, coach and researcher Helena Clayton about her award-winning inquiry into “Leading with Love” and why conversations about love may be among the most important conversations we can now have. Helena Clayton is a leadership and organisational development consultant with more than 25 years’ experience across UK organisations including the UK Civil Service, Jaguar Land Rover, Ernst & Young and London Business School. Formerly a director at Roffey Park Institute, Helena’s research explores the role of love, fear, vulnerability and human connection in leadership and organisational life. Together, Greg and Helena explore: • Why love is universally recognised but culturally suppressed • The role of fear in organisational life • Love as a leadership practice rather than sentiment • Why vulnerability is often perceived as weakness • The tension between humanity and extractive business culture • Whether love may be fundamental to consciousness and reality itself • How organisations might become more human, connected and alive. This is not a sentimental conversation. It is a radical inquiry into the future of leadership, work and human flourishing. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION about Helena Clayton Her website: https://helenaclayton.co.uk 🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/helena-clayton-b245553/ SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast is sponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk ________________________________________🔑 Key Themes • Leadership and love • Fear in organisations • Psychological safety • Conscious leadership • Vulnerability and creativity • Organisational culture • Meta-consciousness • Human-centred business • Emotional intelligence • Spirituality and leadership ________________________________________ ⏱️ CHAPTERS 00:00 — When “love taps you on the shoulder” 00:41 — Introduction to Helena Clayton & the inquiry into love 02:21 — Why love in leadership was once taboo 04:10 — Personal development, healing & loveless workplaces 05:37 — Love as purpose, calling and shadow work 07:16 — “We are beings of love” & the state of the world 09:14 — What does “love” actually mean in leadership? 10:35 — The five forms of love identified in Helena’s research 13:38 — Vulnerability, creativity & “Acts of Love for Tough Times” 15:00 — Self-love, radical acceptance & loving kindness practice 17:34 — Love as a verb, presence and radiance 20:44 — Love as a wide-angled lens 21:16 — Is love the fabric of reality? 23:16 — Why love matters in organisations 25:05 — The Roffey Park research: 90% say love matters 27:53 — The business case for love 30:55 — What does a loving organisation look like? 33:06 — What creates unloving organisations? 36:10 — Love, capitalism & cultural suppression 38:31 — Why love threatens organisational norms 40:30 — Love, trauma & healing in organisations 41:25 — Emotional intelligence, empathy & masculinity 42:58 — Fear as the “water table” of organisations 44:12 — Fear, separation & consciousness 45:21 — “Love is universally recognised but culturally suppressed” 46:23 — Helena’s simple daily practice: “Is this loving?” 46:52 — Where to find Helena Clayton 47:40 — Greg’s reflections & closing thoughts

  4. May 13

    Leadership at the Bow Wave of Evolution with Peter Merry (#33)

    Peter Merry on Consciousness, Emergence & the Future of Leadership. What if leadership is evolving in lock step with humanity?In this fascinating and wide-ranging conversation, Peter Merry joins Meta-Conscious Leaders to explore the emerging frontier of leadership, consciousness, systems thinking, and human evolution. Peter is a futures thinker, systems innovator, author of Evolutionary Leadership, co-founder of Wyrd Technologies, and founder of the Science & Consciousness Conference. Together with Greg Suart they explore why today’s leadership challenges are not merely technical, but developmental - and why the future may belong to leaders capable of integrating rational intelligence with intuition, presence, coherence, and deeper awareness. Covering: • The evolution of human consciousness and leadership • Spiral Dynamics and developmental psychology • Measurable coherence in groups • Technologies designed to detect the effects of consciousness itself Peter also shares insights into: • Synchronicity and emergence, • The breakdown and breakthrough of our current systems, • The rise of “whole performers” over “high performers”, • How future leadership may increasingly involve hosting the conditions for collective intelligence and emergence. Peter also talks about his extraordinary work with: • Wyrd Lights, Wyrdoscope • The legacy of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research (PEAR) Lab, • Experiments suggesting that human consciousness measurably affects random systems and group coherence. This is a profound and yet deeply scientific exploration of: leadership, consciousness, evolution, interconnectedness, and the future of humanity itself. _______________________________________ For more information about Peter Merry He is the author of: Evolutionary Leadership; Leading from the Field; Why Work? (links below) Peter is also: • Co-founder & CEO of Wyrd Technologies • Co-founder of the Science & Consciousness Conference • A long-time contributor to Ubiquity University ________________________________________ Links Links🌐 Peter Merry: https://petermerry.org/ 🌐 Book: Evolutionary Leaders: https://petermerry.org/evolutionary-l... 🌐 Wyrd Technologies: https://gowyrd.org/tech/ ubiquity 🌐 Ubiquity University: https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/ 🌐 Science and Consciousness Conference: https://broughtonsanctuary.co.uk/retr... ________________________________________ Key Takeaways • Leadership evolves as human consciousness evolves • The future demands leaders who can hold complexity, paradox, and uncertainty • Rational intelligence alone is no longer sufficient • Presence, intuition, and coherence are increasingly essential leadership capacities • Younger generations are rapidly moving beyond purely profit-driven organisational models • Consciousness may not merely be subjective - it may have measurable effects in systems and groups • The future of leadership may be less about control and more about creating conditions for emergence ________________________________________ Chapters 00:00 – Emergence, consciousness & nonlinear change 02:17 – Peter Merry’s background & entrepreneurial journey 06:41 – Why Evolutionary Leadership matters now 08:58 – Humanity at a nonlinear tipping point 15:59 – Spiral Dynamics & the evolution of leadership 27:43 – Whole Performers vs High Performers 31:02 – Characteristics of elevated leadership consciousness 36:59 – Wyrd Technologies & measurable coherence 40:44 – PEAR Lab & consciousness research 49:20 – Group coherence, emergence & the Wyrd Light 56:21 – The future applications of consciousness technology 58:34 – Presence, mindfulness & inner development 01:00:26 – Science & Consciousness Conference 01:03:13 – Peter’s advice for leaders under pressure 01:05:10 – Final reflections & closing thoughts

  5. Apr 19

    Zen and the Art of Leadership with Zen Master Roshido (#32)

    In this powerful Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast Zen Master Roshido (Juergen Wollborn) shares with Greg Suart a rare journey: from landscape architect and founder of a multi-million Euro business to Zen Master – integrating deep spiritual awakening with real-world business leadership. From a childhood moment of awe in the forest to decades of disciplined Zen practice, Jürgen reveals how inner stillness became the foundation for outer success — and ultimately, conscious exit. This is not a story about escaping business. It’s about transforming how we show up within it. In a world of rising pressure, noise, and distraction, Jürgen offers a radically different path: 👉 Lead from presence, not pressure 👉 Build people, not just profit 👉 Act from being, not constant doing This is leadership for the next era. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION Juergen Roshido Wollborn: https://roshido.org/ https://www.wollborn.com/ On LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juergen-roshido-wollborn/ SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast is sponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk ______________________________________⚡ KEY TAKEAWAYS • True leadership begins with inner development, not external control • Meditation builds focus, resilience, and the ability to move through discomfort • Conscious businesses invest in people as the real capital • Presence can be embedded into physical environments, culture, and decision-making • Growth is not just professional — it is deeply personal and human • “Doing” without “being” leads to burnout and fragmentation • The future of leadership is integration — not separation — of inner and outer worlds • Stillness is not passive — it is the source of clarity and power • Pressure in the world is increasing — and so is the need for consciousness • Leadership is evolving from control → awareness → creation ________________________________________⏱️ CHAPTERS (approximate timings) 00:00 – Introduction: Business Meets Consciousness 02:00 – A Childhood Awakening in Nature 05:00 – Discovering Zen & Early Training 09:00 – Building a Business Alongside Spiritual Practice 13:00 – From Employee to Entrepreneur 30:00 – Scaling the Business & Finding a Mentor 34:00 – Meditation as a Leadership Advantage 38:00 – People as the True Capital 44:00 – Designing Zen Spaces & Healing Environments 49:00 – The Decision to Sell the Business 52:00 – What Zen Really Is (Beyond Religion) 01:08:00 – Awakening & States of Consciousness 01:20:00 – Identity, Ego & Seeing Through the Illusion 01:25:00 – The Pressure of Modern Life 01:27:00 – Doing vs Being in Leadership 01:32:00 – The Role of Leaders in Today’s World

  6. Apr 12

    My Life is NOT ABOUT ME! with Duro Oye (#31)

    What does it truly mean to lead in a world that feels increasingly fragmented, uncertain, and in flux? In this episode of Meta-Conscious Leaders, Greg speaks with Duro Oye—founder of 20/20 Levels—a pioneering organisation that has empowered thousands of young people to unlock their potential and step into meaningful futures. But this conversation goes far beyond youth development. Duro works at the sharp edge of society, where systemic challenges meet lived experience. And what he reveals is both confronting and deeply hopeful: the greatest gap in society is not one of skill—but of self-awareness. From his early life growing up on a council estate, to a profound journey of identity, faith, and purpose, Duro shares how leadership begins not with what we do—but with who we are. His work challenges the assumptions we hold about young people, opportunity, and the structures that shape our lives. Together, we explore a world in transition—one that may feel like breakdown, but could equally be an invitation to radical change. What if the systems we’ve built are no longer fit for purpose? What if leadership itself must evolve? This is a conversation about identity, consciousness, business, and society—but above all, it is about contribution. Because as Duro reminds us: “My life is not solely about me… but about the impact I leave on the world.” Key Takeaways • The greatest gap in society is not skill, but self-awareness • Leadership begins with Being, not Doing • Identity is the foundation of purpose and meaningful action • Many systems were built without developing the people within them • We are living in a time that demands choice, courage, and clarity of belief • Radical change requires questioning everything we assume to be true • Young people don’t lack talent—they lack access and opportunity • Low expectation culture is one of the most damaging societal forces • Business must evolve from profit-only to purpose-driven impact • The future is built when wisdom (elders) meets energy (youth) • Intergenerational collaboration is a massive, underutilised opportunity • True leadership is selfless, empathetic, and service-oriented ⏱️ Chapter Breakdown (Approximate Timings) 00:00 — Opening & Introduction 02:20 — Early Life & Identity Formation 05:00 — Faith, Belief & Personal Purpose 6:30 — Humanity at a Crossroads: Crisis or Awakening? 11:30 — Radical Change: Rethinking Everything 14:30 — Education System: Fit for Purpose? 17:30 — Opportunity vs Talent: The Real Gap 20:00 — Self-Awareness & Identity as Foundations 24:00 — Purpose, Legacy & Generational Responsibility 29:00 — Wealth, Power & Intergenerational Imbalance 34:00 — Consciousness Shift: Who Must We Become? 38:00 — Eldership & Youthship: Building the Future Together 42:30 — Business, Purpose & Leadership Responsibility 47:00 — Empathy & the Evolution of Leadership 50:00 — Engaging the Next Generation (20/20 Levels) 53:00 — Closing Reflections

  7. Mar 18

    The Second Mountain - Why Success wasn't Enough with Neil Smith

    In this episode of Meta-Conscious Leaders, Neil Smith shares with Greg Suart a powerful story of what happens when outward success stops being enough. After building a highly successful career in television with Betty TV and Fremantle, including titles such as The Undateables, Bear Grylls Mission Survive, The Apprentice, Grand Designs and many more, Neil found himself asking deeper questions — about resilience, purpose and what it truly means to live well. Beneath the energy and achievement of the media world, there was a growing realisation: success alone does not equip us for the psychological demands of modern life. What followed was a journey inward. Through meditation, breathwork and deep personal exploration, Neil began to understand something both ancient and urgent — that the mind, like the body, can be trained. That insight became the foundation of Mettle,a mental fitness platform designed specifically to help men build resilience, regulate stress and develop inner strength. This conversation explores the tension between achievementand fulfilment, the hidden cost of high performance, and the emerging role of business as a vehicle not just for profit, but for human development. At its heart, this is a story about the second mountain — and what we find when we start to climb it. FOR MORE INFORMATION ON NEIL AND HIS WORK: Mettle – The Toolkit for Men’s Minds: https://bemettle.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/neil-s-smith/ Contact:  info@BeMettle.com SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast issponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk KEY TAKEAWAYS • Success does not automatically lead to fulfilment — many high performers reach a point where deeper meaning is required • Mental health for men needs reframing — “mental fitness” is more accessible and actionable • The mind can be trained through simple, repeatable practices such as breathwork and meditation • High-performance environments often mask stress, burnout and emotional suppression • Inner work is not separate from leadership — it fundamentally changes how we lead and relate • The future of business is shifting toward purpose, impact and human development • Men are facing a growing crisis of meaning, identity and emotional expression • Resilience is not innate — it is a trainable capability ________________________________________ CHAPTERS 00:00 — Introduction: From Television to Transformation: Neil’s journey from media success to inner exploration 04:30 — Life at the Top of Television: Building Betty TV and the reality behind success 10:15 — When Success Isn’t Enough: The early signs of deeper questioning 16:40 — The Inner Search Begins: Meditation, breathwork and exploring the mind 24:10 — The Cost of High Performance: Stress, pressure and what men don’t talk about 31:25 — The Moment of Realisation: Understanding that the mind can be trained 38:50 — Leaving the Old World Behind: The decision to step away from television 45:10 — Founding Mettle: A new mission: mental fitness for men 52:30 — Why Men Are Struggling: The deeper societal and psychological crisis 59:40 — Rethinking Business and Purpose: Profit, impact and the future of leadership 1:06:00 — The Second Mountain: What life is really asking of us 1:10:30 — Closing Reflections: What Mettle means today

  8. Mar 2

    "Scaling Kindness - Underpinning Business" with Tessa Clarke (#29)

    What does it take to build a business that serves people,planet and profit - without compromise? In this episode of Meta-Conscious Leaders, Greg Suartspeaks with the brilliant and inspirational Tessa Clarke, co-founder and CEO of Olio, the global food-sharing platform redistributing surplus food and household items through local communities. What began as a personal refusal to waste perfectly goodfood has evolved into a movement. Olio has helped redistribute over 135 million meals and millions of household items, while attracting more than $50 million in investment capital. But this conversation goes far beyond startup success. For more information: Olio:  https://olioapp.com/en/ Tessa Clarke: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tessaclarkeolio/ Sign up for the Better Business Act: https://betterbusinessact.org/ Tessa shares the deeper philosophy behind Olio - a beliefthat waste is not just a logistical issue, but a moral one. She explores how modern disconnection has fuelled both food waste and social fragmentation, and how rebuilding community is central to solving both. Together we discuss: • Why food waste is a systems failure • The tension between impact and profitability • Building a B Corp rooted in regenerative principles • The Better Business Act and redefining fiduciary duty • AI, responsibility, and scaling positive impact • Whether we are witnessing a broader shift in business consciousness If you’re interested in the future of business, sustainability and systems change, this conversation is essential viewing.   SPONSORED BY: This Meta-Conscious Leaders podcast issponsored by Ultimate Goal Ltd: Partners in Personal, Leadership & Business Growth, Developing Personal Mastery, Emotional Intelligence and Transcendent Leadership https://www.ultimategoal.co.uk   TAKEAWAYS • Nature is the world's most precious and finite resource. • Monetizing sustainability is a significant challenge. • The Better Business Act aims to hold companies accountable. • Profit should not be the sole end goal for businesses. • We must price the value that nature provides. • Pollution and waste have hidden costs that need addressing. • Company directors should face consequences for environmental harm. • Jail time could change business practices rapidly. • Sustainability requires a collective effort from all sectors. • Corporate responsibility is essential for solving societal problems. CHAPTERS 00:00  Introduction to Meta-Conscious Leaders and Tessa Clark 02:22  Tessa's Ethos and Background 06:00  The Moral Imperative of Food Waste 08:14  The Birth of Olio: A Personal Journey 12:14  Olio's Business Model and Community Impact 15:47  Understanding Food Waste Statistics 19:39  The Role of Community in Reducing Waste 22:46  Challenges and Resilience in Business 26:34  Harnessing AI for Positive Impact 29:56  Balancing Purpose and Profit in Business 32:52  The Better Business Act: A New Path for Corporations 36:03  Reforming Fiduciary Responsibilities for a Sustainable Future 37:24  Olio's Business Model: Profitability and Purpose in Harmony 43:51  Innovative Governance: Community Engagement and Ownership 50:05  Navigating the Future: Agility and Growth in Business 52:51  The Shift in Consciousness: Business, Humanity, and Spirituality 57:23  Business Leadership: A Catalyst for Social Change 01:01:30  Hope and Community: The Power of Collective Action 01:04:28  Introduction to Tessa's Leadership 01:04:28  The Impact of the Better Business Act

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