Assurance Unknown

Kai-Fan Chang

Assurance Unknown, a podcast about all the untold stories in the high assurance IT product security evaluation and certification industry. This is a podcast hosted by Kai-Fan Chang, who worked in IT product security evaluation and certification for about 20 years. I will interview the people who are in my view a big part of my personal journey in this industry and also people who helped shaping this industry. There is no way to predict or plan the future without knowing the past. And I am curious about all the unknown stories, to me, along the way. I am welcoming you to join my journey to discover how the industry has come to be. Hopefully to find a way to go forward together!

Episodes

  1. May 29

    Assurance Unknown with Kai-Fan Chang and Ernst Bovelander

    Welcome to the second episode of Assurance Unknown. My guest for this episode is Ernst Bovelander. Ernst was the CEO of Brightsight for many years and played quite an important role for both Brightsight and for my career. In the interview we went into his career from his first job at the hardware security group of TNO, which became Brightsight. And his return to Brightsight to take over one of the previous owners Jan Pieters as the CEO. He had two tasks, one is to make Brightsight more "professional", the other is to prepare the company for a sale. We can hear the whole process from his point of view, which if we purely look at the two tasks, he had quite good results. We also went into the process of the growth and expansion of Brightsight. Overall a very interesting story of the history of Brightsight and high assurance payment security. When Ernst was talking about making Brightsight more "professional", I was already thinking what does "more professional" actually mean? I wrote a blog post about it as the complimentary content and I welcome you all to share your views and comments on that. You can find the blogpost here: https://certcle.substack.com/p/what-is-a-professional-lab Hope you enjoy this episode. I am keeping a monthly update cycle at this moment so the episodes are still in the long format. Feel free to leave your comments and join the conversation. Do not forget to subscribe and like the video if you do! Thanks!

    1h 43m

  2. Apr 21

    Assurance Unknown with Kai-Fan Chang and Martin Schaffer

    Welcome to the first episode of Assurance Unknown podcast, a podcast about the untold stories of the high assurance security evaluation and certification industry. My guest of this episode is Martin Schaffer. We touched upon different topics in this episode including: The career path of Martin in this industry and how he created a dedicated security evaluation and certification department in NXPWhat was the strategy of NXP in choosing the evaluation labs for different productsWhy a faster CC evaluation and certification process was needed and how smart CC was bornThe creation of SESIP for the security evaluation of IoT products and how the idea of composition was appliedThe challenges for the future of security evaluation and certification in the era of AI For a full experience of the podcast, please also check out the following channels: blog: https://substack.com/@certcle instagram: @certcle my company website: www.certcle.com Hope you enjoy the episode and feel free to comment, ask questions, and share your ideas with me. Special thanks to Narasimha for the cover art and Shiqi for the intro and outro music!

    1h 16m
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Assurance Unknown, a podcast about all the untold stories in the high assurance IT product security evaluation and certification industry. This is a podcast hosted by Kai-Fan Chang, who worked in IT product security evaluation and certification for about 20 years. I will interview the people who are in my view a big part of my personal journey in this industry and also people who helped shaping this industry. There is no way to predict or plan the future without knowing the past. And I am curious about all the unknown stories, to me, along the way. I am welcoming you to join my journey to discover how the industry has come to be. Hopefully to find a way to go forward together!

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  • Creator
    Kai-Fan Chang
  • Years Active
    2K
  • Episodes
    2
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © 2026 Kai-Fan Chang