Beneath the Surface Podcast

Christie

What if there’s more to the Bible, and the world around us, than what we’ve been taught? Beneath the Surface goes deeper into the conversations many people are curious about but rarely hear discussed. From the unseen realm, spiritual warfare and the supernatural to powerful testimonies of people who have walked through darkness, deception, trauma, the New Age and the occult and found Jesus on the other side. We explore Scripture, ask hard questions, challenge cultural narratives and examine the things that are often dismissed, misunderstood or simply left unexplained. Some episodes will make you think. Some may challenge what you believe. And some will remind you just how powerfully Jesus is still transforming lives. We’re not here to tell you what to think. We’re here to dig deeper, bring everything back to Scripture and encourage you to seek the Truth for yourself. Unseen Battles. Real Stories. Biblical Truths. Come curious. We’re going beneath the surface.

  1. Oct 2

    Root Cause w/ Sarah from Nature's Pantry Farm

    Beneath the Surface with Sarah Fischer from Nature’s Pantry FarmChristie Waggoner sits down with Sarah Fischer of Nature’s Pantry Farm to unpack how a nursing career, a family farm, and a growing concern about food quality led Sarah into regenerative farming. They dig into why food prices, health issues, and farming practices are all connected, and why more families are looking for local, chemical-free food. In this episode, they explore the difference between conventional agriculture and regenerative farming, the real cost of producing food, and why many people are rethinking what goes on their family’s table. The conversation is rooted in faith, stewardship, and practical hope for families who want healthier options. Key Topics Sarah shares how her journey started in nursing school at Mayo Clinic, where she first heard that people were getting sicker and would require more from healthcare.She explains how her dad’s questions about rising illness led him to investigate food production, chemicals, and the connection between farming practices and human health.The conversation focuses on glyphosate, Roundup, and the World Health Organization’s classification of glyphosate as a probable carcinogen, which helped push Sarah toward changing how her family ate and farmed.Sarah describes the transition from conventional farming to regenerative farming, including learning through books, YouTube, Joel Salatin’s work, and local community demand.Christie and Sarah discuss the hidden economics of food, including government subsidies, low grocery prices, rising input costs, and why conventional food can appear cheap only because someone else is paying part of the bill.They compare the true cost of local meat with the cost of convenience, including examples like bulk beef purchases, butcher fees, and fast food costs for a family.The episode highlights how regenerative farming works in practice, with daily cattle moves, long rest periods for soil recovery, and a focus on rebuilding microbiology in the land.Christie and Sarah emphasize health, prevention, and personal responsibility, especially for families dealing with autoimmune issues, thyroid problems, allergies, and anxiety about what they are eating.The discussion broadens into faith and stewardship, with references to Psalm 24, Leviticus 25, Matthew 6, and the idea that the earth belongs to God and should be cared for accordingly.They end with hope, encouraging listeners to support local farmers, ask questions, build grassroots community networks, and vote with their dollars. Matthew 6:31-34 "So do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?" or "What shall we drink?" or "What shall we wear? For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore don't worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

  2. Sep 9

    Restored at the Foundation: When Jesus Rebuilds Everything

    What happens when Jesus doesn’t simply improve your life—but rebuilds it from the foundation up? In this episode, Christie sits down with husband-and-wife team Sutton and Rachel Ward for an honest conversation about addiction, sobriety, health, purpose, marriage, and the restoring power of Jesus Christ. Rachel and Sutton share their journey of overcoming health challenges and finding strength in faith and prayer. The conversation covers Rachel's health struggles, the diagnosis and prognosis, navigating treatment and lifestyle changes, working with family and faith, and a health crisis with divine intervention. The chapters cover the fight for life, the turning point, the diagnosis and hospitalization, the journey to recovery, the role of faith and determination, the impact of water and healing, the spiritual and mental transformation, and the discovery of healing water. Together, Sutton and Rachel are the team behind High Vibration Hydration, a movement rooted in the belief that lasting transformation begins by addressing the foundation: your water, your body, your purpose, and—most importantly—your relationship with God. We also discuss why caring for our physical health matters when we want to fulfill the purpose God has placed on our lives. Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, and stewardship isn’t about perfection—it’s about becoming healthy, present, and available for what God is calling us to do. No matter how broken the foundation may feel, Jesus is still in the business of restoration. Your past does not disqualify you, and the places that once held pain can become part of the testimony God uses to reach someone else. Connect with Sutton and Rachel: Instagram: Rachel — @heyrachel.ward Sutton — @svtton_ward High Vibration Hydration: www.highvibrationhydration.com Martin’s Water Treatment: www.martinswatertreatment.com Listen, share, and send this episode to someone who needs the reminder that Jesus can rebuild everything.

    Restored at the Foundation: When Jesus Rebuilds Everything
  3. Sep 1

    The Contract Jesus Broke

    What happens when a spiritual experience that promises healing, enlightenment, and freedom becomes something much darker? In this episode of Beneath the Surface, Christie sits down with Tyler Schoettle to hear his incredible testimony—from his younger years and spiritual searching to entering the world of ayahuasca, indigenous ceremonies, spirit guides, and eventually a spiritual battle that changed everything. Tyler shares how he believed he was connecting with spiritual beings that were guiding him toward truth. During an ayahuasca ceremony, however, he entered into an agreement with these entities—an agreement he would later come to understand very differently. What once appeared spiritual, enlightening, and even beautiful began revealing a much darker reality. Tyler opens up about the spiritual attacks that followed, the deception he experienced, and the moment he began recognizing that the beings he believed were helping him were not what they claimed to be. And ultimately, he shares how Jesus Christ changed the entire story. We talk about: • Tyler’s life before ayahuasca and what led him to seek deeper spiritual experiences • His involvement with ayahuasca ceremonies and indigenous spiritual practices • The “spirit guides” and entities he encountered • The agreement he made during ceremony and why he describes it as signing away his soul • The spiritual attacks that followed • How something that appeared to offer healing became deception • The moment Tyler began questioning who—or what—he was actually communicating with • Spiritual warfare and the reality behind counterfeit spirituality • How Jesus broke the agreement and brought Tyler back to truth • What Tyler would tell someone considering ayahuasca today This conversation isn’t about sensationalizing the supernatural. It’s about asking a deeper question: Just because something is spiritual… does that mean it comes from God? The Bible warns us to “test the spirits to see whether they are from God.” — 1 John 4:1 Tyler’s story is a powerful reminder that not every spiritual experience is what it appears to be—and that no agreement, deception, bondage, or darkness is beyond the authority of Jesus Christ. If this episode makes you think of someone who is exploring ayahuasca, psychedelics, New Age spirituality, spirit guides, manifestation, or alternative spiritual practices, send it to them. And if Tyler’s story resonates with you, tell us in the comments: Have you ever experienced something that initially felt spiritual or good, but later realized it wasn’t what you thought it was? 🎙️ Beneath the Surface Podcast Real Stories. Biblical Truth. Deeper Questions. 👉Subscribe for more conversations about faith, testimony, spiritual warfare, biblical truth, and the things happening beneath the surface. #BeneathTheSurfacePodcast #Ayahuasca #JesusChrist #SpiritualWarfare #ChristianTestimony

    The Contract Jesus Broke
  4. Aug 25

    There's Beauty In The Breakdown

    When everything falls apart...Christie sits down with Joslyn Nicholson for a raw conversation about childhood loss, trauma, addiction, abuse, and the long road back to peace. Joslyn shares how Jesus met her in the middle of chaos and how healing has become both deeply spiritual and deeply embodied.This episode matters for anyone who feels stuck, spiritually exhausted, or unsure why prayer alone has not shifted their pain. Christie and Joslyn talk candidly about nervous system healing, deliverance, and what lasting freedom can actually look like. Key topicsJoslyn shares that her trauma began at age 5, when she learned her mother was dying of cancer and had to process that loss as a child.She describes how her mother’s faith shaped her early life, including nightly prayer and Bible reading, and how that spiritual foundation stayed with her even in darkness.In this episode, Joslyn explains how her mother’s death led to severe anxiety, insomnia, phobias, disordered eating, and a growing desperation to reconnect with her.She opens up about turning to witchcraft, Ouija boards, and the occult in childhood and early adolescence as a way to reach her mother.Joslyn shares how grief, dysfunction, and lack of emotional safety at home contributed to rebellion, drug use, promiscuity, and a double life as a high-performing student and athlete.She recounts a violent abusive relationship in adulthood, including stalking, manipulation, sexual degradation, and being held at gunpoint.Christie and Joslyn discuss the difference between spiritual warfare and trauma responses, and why some wounds cannot be healed by prayer alone if the root is never addressed.Joslyn explains her work in trauma-informed Christian coaching, including inner healing, somatic tools, prophetic prayer, and deliverance.She describes how she uses gentle regulation, body awareness, and Holy Spirit-led prayer to help clients move through shutdown, fear, rejection, and fragmentation.Christie and Joslyn both emphasize that healing is not just “trying harder” spiritually. It is a process of truth replacing lies, safety replacing shame, and Christ meeting people at the root.Key frameworksHealing the root, not just the symptomRegulation before revelationTrauma-informed ministry that makes room for the Holy SpiritGentle somatic work with prayer and prophetic listeningDeliverance as both spiritual warfare and inner restorationNotable quotes“Stay close to Jesus. Always stay close to Jesus.” “Healing is experiencing God where it used to feel unsafe.” “You were not made for this. You were made for more.” Action itemsIf prayer, fasting, and Bible reading have not brought lasting change, consider whether a deeper wound needs attention.Look for trauma-informed support that also makes room for faith and prayer.Stop minimizing pain just because someone else “had it worse.”Pay attention to patterns of shutdown, hypervigilance, and rumination as possible signs of unresolved trauma.Seek spaces where you can be seen, heard, and witnessed without judgment. Follow Joslyn for true trauma healing on Instagram @joslyncreates or joslyncreates.store Full Video Episodes on YouTube @Beneath-the_Surface_podcast Follow BTS on Socials: Instagram: @bneath.the.surface TikTok: @beneath.the.surface.pod X: @BeneathSurfPod Facebook: Beneath The Surface Podcast

  5. Aug 11

    Jesus Met Her In A Witchcraft Ritual

    Olivia shares her journey from witchcraft and the occult to encountering Jesus in the midst of a ritual. She describes her experiences with new age practices, demonic encounters, and the deceptive allure of the occult. Her encounter with Jesus brought peace and fulfillment, leading to a transformation in her life. She also discusses the counterfeit nature of the occult and the requirement of repentance in the kingdom of God. The conversation delves into the challenges of trusting in an unseen God, the journey to finding freedom in Christ, and the establishment of a biblical trauma-informed ministry. It also explores the importance of renewing the mind with scripture and the need for equipping churches to address trauma and abuse. The conversation delves into the importance of a supernatural worldview and a kingdom perspective, the significance of raising a generation of spiritual warriors, and the need for spiritual healing and preparation for the end times. Takeaways Encountering Jesus in the midst of darkness can bring overwhelming peace and love.The occult offers a counterfeit of the kingdom of God, lacking the requirement of repentance.Freedom in Christ comes from knowing God's character and nature, and renewing the mind with scripture is essential for experiencing this freedom.Equipping churches to address trauma and abuse in a biblical way is crucial for helping individuals who have experienced hardship. Supernatural worldview and kingdom perspective are essential for spiritual understanding.Spiritual healing and preparation for the end times are important aspects of faithHow the law of attraction, visualization, and "energy work" opened the door to deeper occult practices.Why counterfeit spiritual experiences can feel loving, safe, and even holy.How new age teachings keep people trapped on a hamster wheel of pain, trauma, and escalationThe difference between spiritual encounters without repentance and true freedom in Christ. Chapters 00:00 Encountering Jesus in the Occult05:03 The Deceptive Allure of the Occult10:06 The Counterfeit Nature of the Occult20:04 The Requirement of Repentance35:53 Trusting in an Unseen God39:02 Journey to Freedom in Christ43:13 Establishing a Biblical Trauma-Informed Ministry01:00:47 Supernatural Worldview and Kingdom Perspective01:01:14 Raising a Generation of Spiritual Warriors01:03:25 Spiritual Healing and Preparation for the End Times Melissa and Christie also unpack the role of trauma, attachment, and false religion in shaping how people see God. Olivia shares how a Christian coffee shop friend, Jerilyn, changed everything simply by loving her first, praying for her, and eventually leading her to Jesus.The conversation goes even deeper into what freedom in Christ actually feels like, why renewing your mind with Scripture is non-negotiable, and how Olivia's story led her into biblical counseling, Bible college, and ministry work through Wall of Fire. https://walloffire-ohio.org If you've ever wondered why the occult feels so alluring, why so many people are drawn to new age spirituality, or how God really rescues someone from deception, this episode will challenge you, encourage you, and point you back to the only truth that actually sets people free. Olivia Page @olive.branch.faith

  6. Jun 26

    Lilith Exposed

    Lilith Exposed | Origins, Myth & the Demonic Agenda Who is Lilith? Is she really Adam’s first wife, or is that one of the most widespread myths in modern culture? In this episode of Beneath the Surface, we separate biblical truth from centuries of folklore, mythology, and occult tradition. We trace Lilith’s origins from ancient Mesopotamian culture through Jewish tradition, examine the only place the name “Lilith” appears in the Bible, and discuss how her story has evolved into a powerful symbol within New Age spirituality, witchcraft, and popular culture. We’ll explore questions like: Is Lilith actually found in Scripture? Where did the story of Adam’s “first wife” originate? What does Isaiah 34 really say? How do ancient Mesopotamian beliefs connect to Lilith? Why has modern culture embraced her as a symbol of empowerment? What can Christians learn about spiritual discernment from this topic? We’ll also examine the broader biblical themes of rebellion, deception, spiritual warfare, and the importance of testing every claim against God’s Word. Rather than building doctrine on folklore or internet speculation, we’ll look carefully at the historical context, the Hebrew text, and what Scripture clearly teaches. Whether you’ve heard Lilith discussed in connection with ancient mythology, occult practices, feminism, or spiritual warfare, this conversation will equip you to think critically and biblically about one of history’s most mysterious figures. “Test everything; hold fast what is good.” — 1 Thessalonians 5:21 If this episode encourages you, be sure to like, subscribe, and share so more people can discover the truth beneath the surface. #Lilith #SpiritualWarfare #BeneathTheSurface #ChristianPodcast #BiblicalTruth #AncientHistory #Isaiah34 #SpiritualDiscernment #BibleStudy #Occult #Mythology #JesusChrist #Faith #Apologetics #Deliverance

  7. Jun 17

    Deliverance + Spiritual Freedom

    This episode of Beneath the Surface Melissa and Christie dive into the themes of repentance, forgiveness, and the role of faith in finding freedom from spiritual oppression. The conversation delves into the process of deliverance and the steps involved in achieving freedom from strongholds and generational patterns. It emphasizes the importance of forgiveness, renouncing sin, breaking strongholds, and receiving the Holy Spirit's healing. The legacy of faith and healing is discussed, highlighting the impact on future generations. Takeaways Spiritual deliverance involves repentance, forgiveness, and a deep commitment to faith.Confession of sin brings darkness into the light and invites healing and accountability.Fear and anxiety are considered as sins and are rooted in a lack of faith. Forgiveness releases bitterness and aligns the heart with Christ's teachings.Renouncing sin involves rejecting previous influences and agreements with fear, lies, and ungodly practices.Deliverance involves breaking strongholds, commanding spirits to leave, and receiving the Holy Spirit's healing.The legacy of faith and healing impacts future generations, breaking generational patterns and creating a new trajectory of freedom and healing. Chapters 00:00 The Role of Repentance and Forgiveness40:33 The Power of Forgiveness and Release50:11 Breaking Strongholds and Commanding Spirits01:00:28 Renouncing Sin and Receiving Healing01:10:57 Creating a New Legacy of Faith

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What if there’s more to the Bible, and the world around us, than what we’ve been taught? Beneath the Surface goes deeper into the conversations many people are curious about but rarely hear discussed. From the unseen realm, spiritual warfare and the supernatural to powerful testimonies of people who have walked through darkness, deception, trauma, the New Age and the occult and found Jesus on the other side. We explore Scripture, ask hard questions, challenge cultural narratives and examine the things that are often dismissed, misunderstood or simply left unexplained. Some episodes will make you think. Some may challenge what you believe. And some will remind you just how powerfully Jesus is still transforming lives. We’re not here to tell you what to think. We’re here to dig deeper, bring everything back to Scripture and encourage you to seek the Truth for yourself. Unseen Battles. Real Stories. Biblical Truths. Come curious. We’re going beneath the surface.