Why Start With the Chaos? (with Jake Doran)Guest BioJake Doran is SVP, Client Success & Transformation at MResult, where he helps healthcare and life sciences organizations turn data, AI, and technology ambition into operating impact. He has more than 25 years in life sciences technology. Most recently he was Vice President, Digital and Head of IT at Lykos Therapeutics (formerly MAPS PBC), leading technology as the company moved from clinical research startup toward commercial readiness. Before that he was Head of Global R&D IT at Bausch Health, and Chief Technology Officer for the Regulatory Affairs business at Genpact, where he launched one of the industry's first AI-powered intelligent automation platforms for Regulatory Affairs. Jake founded LiST Innovations, a consultancy focused on regulatory data standards, governance, and RIM transformation planning, and still takes select advisory work through it, including a fractional CIO role at an emerging biotech. Earlier he spent eight years at Janssen (Johnson & Johnson), where he led a regulatory platform implementation that consolidated 21 legacy systems, and seven years at Schering-Plough managing Regulatory CMC Publishing & Technology. He has served on the Board of Directors of the IRISS Forum and holds a bachelor's degree in Biology from Fairleigh Dickinson University. Key TopicsSmall companies, big advantage? Jake argues that early- and late-stage clinical companies can build an AI-forward organization in a way legacy enterprises can't. Legacy companies all have systems now, but they lack process discipline, standards adoption, and enforcement of people actually putting data into those systems. In his framing, AI doesn't fix garbage in, garbage out. It just lets you see the mess faster. Why start with the chaos? Matt calls change management the bigger issue. He floats a reference-modeled starting database, even a templated spreadsheet, where maybe 60% of data points are identical across every pharma company. His question for Jake: when you walk into a blank-slate startup with a small budget and one product, is information management even a priority? Pick your mess, and when to pay for it. Jake's answer is "yes and no." Manufacturing has to be buttoned up early, whether in-house or through a CDMO, because batch records and product release are coming. The shared drives, Gmail accounts, Box, and Dropbox sprawl from a company's early days? Some of that just gets pushed aside. Why does the industry let startups suffer first? His simple answer is budget and resources. At some point, maybe late Phase 2, a company becomes an acquisition target or a likely approval and has to clean house. Until then, why buy an eTMF when you can build a folder structure that mirrors the TMF Reference Model yourself? The shed with no floor. Matt's metaphor: nobody outside a regulated industry would throw up a plywood shed, forget the floor, then bolt on a kitchen and electrical. Jake's addition: you don't get to go back and add the floor. You buy the next parcel of land and build it again. He calls data remediation probably the most expensive activity the industry goes through. AI-assisted cleanup, with a human in the loop. Jake walks through migrating a home-built TMF into a real system. Train an LLM on the reference model, run your extract through it, have someone compare the output against your master data model to catch hallucination, then document and validate the whole process before loading it into a validated system. That's far easier now than it used to be. Standards take forever. Jake works closely with the IRISS Forum and talks standards constantly. He recalls a roughly 10-year standards initiative presented at the DIA RSIDM Forum in February, and can't see why it takes a decade to define standards for things the industry has done for 100 years. Matt argues the industry keeps letting perfect be the enemy of good. Ship a good-enough standard, update it annually, stop handing out five-year adoption windows. Jake names the root cause as bureaucracy and fiefdoms. Functions do things their own way, throw it over the fence, and let regulatory piece it together. The real "secret sauce," in his view, is CROs, sponsors, academia, and health authorities working in the same environment. The patient angle. Matt recalls a DIA panel 15 to 18 years ago declaring patient records would never be shared. Now we hand our data to banking apps, social media, and AI tools. Jake notes that de-identification isn't that hard, asks why large practices don't run closed-loop record sharing, and admits he uploads his ring, scale, and physical results to his AI companion anyway. Clever isn't enough. Jake is bullish on AI. He cites a recent article on clinical control towers that pulled data from disparate systems into one view, and argues dashboards give point-in-time visibility, not trends, analytics, or checks against protocol expectations. He describes an AI conference in New York where people claiming healthcare expertise couldn't explain what a protocol is. AI still has to be defensible, traceable, and backed by an audit trail. And just as the industry moved from data centers to cloud faster than anyone expected, he thinks the jump to predictive, connected analytics is coming sooner rather than later. Notable Quotes"AI just accelerates how much faster you can see the mess, right? But it... doesn't fix the mess." — Jake Doran "They'll deploy Copilot to 75,000 people, which may help you draft an email and schedule a meeting and whatnot." — Jake Doran "Why start with the chaos? I guess is my point." — Matt Neal "I can build a folder structure anywhere that replicates a TMF reference model. So why would I go buy?" — Jake Doran "You make bad decisions initially; they just get compounded over time." — Jake Doran "I don't understand why it takes 10 years to define standards for things that we've been doing for 100 years." — Jake Doran "I can remember vividly conversations that I had in previous career where we couldn't come to agreement internally on what we call the product." — Jake Doran "Everybody do what you need to do, throw it over the fence, and let regulatory piece it all together." — Jake Doran "We know as technologists that the limitation is not technology." — Matt Neal "It can't be just clever, right?... It still has to be defensible. It still has to be traceable." — Jake Doran Quotes are verbatim from the transcript; ellipses mark removed filler or repeated words. Who Should ListenHeads of regulatory operations and RIM, especially anyone building the function at an early-stage or single-asset biotech. Clinical operations and TMF leads weighing build vs. buy. IT and digital leaders in life sciences deciding where AI actually moves the needle. Standards people at IRISS, DIA, and CDISC who are tired of decade-long timelines. And founders and executives who will eventually pay for the cleanup they skip today. ReferencesGuest Jake Doran on LinkedInOrganizations & Standards IRISS Forum — non-profit for implementation of regulatory information and submission standardsCDISC TMF Reference Model — industry taxonomy for Trial Master File content, now under CDISCEvents DIA Regulatory Submissions, Information, and Document Management (RSIDM) Forum 2026 — February 2–4, 2026, North Bethesda, MD Operations Utopia - Where Regops, Innovation, Technology, and Execution Meet. Disclaimer: This podcast reflects only the opinion of the podcaster and guests and does not reflect those of their organizations, system vendors, or service provider Original show theme "Little Sammy" by Matt Neal