Wine into Water

Jen Asplund & Lydia Rosencrants

 Wine Into Water is a podcast about faith in the seasons that feel ordinary, heavy, or unresolved—when the miracle we’re praying for hasn’t come and life keeps moving anyway. Through honest conversations and spiritual reflection, we explore how to recognize God’s presence, purpose, and abundance in the middle of the mundane. 

  1. 3d ago

    What Do You Do in an Unmiraculous Season?

    What Do You Do in an Unmiraculous Season? What do you do when life feels like a great deal of effort with very little visible payoff? In this episode of Wine Into Water, we finally turn directly toward the question at the heart of the podcast: What does it mean to live through an unmiraculous season? These are the seasons where the joy meter feels low and the logistical meter feels high. The days are filled with appointments, pickups, work, dishes, caregiving, waiting, and responsibilities that matter but do not always feel meaningful. We may be doing everything we know to do and still see no evidence that anything is changing. Jen shares what this season has looked like in her own life: intentionally doing less paid work, managing summer schedules, driving children to tutoring and appointments, preparing for a book that is not yet for sale, and shepherding twenty-two young children through Vacation Bible School. The work is real, but the fruit is often invisible. Lydia describes an unmiraculous season as the experience of a seed beneath the soil. Life may be present, but there is no evidence of growth. The darkness feels cold, the waiting has no clear deadline, and we have very little control over what will eventually emerge. Together, they wrestle with one of the hardest parts of these seasons: knowing what to do with them. Should we stop striving and rest? Work harder? Pray more? Read more Scripture? Take on another spiritual practice? Sometimes even our attempts to draw closer to God become additional activity in a life that already feels overwhelmingly full. They also talk honestly about resentment. It is easy to feel forgotten, underused, stuck, or frustrated with God when we believe we are capable of more than the work in front of us. Jen remembers being told to “bloom where you are planted” during a difficult corporate season and wanting nothing to do with the advice. Lydia offers a different way to understand the waiting: perhaps we are not stuck. Perhaps we are positioned. Looking to Joseph, Ruth, Naomi, the Israelites gathering manna, and Jesus' thirty quiet years before His public ministry, they explore the possibility that God is doing important work long before we can understand or recognize it. Ruth did not know that gathering leftover grain for one more day of survival would lead her into Boaz's field and eventually place her in the family line of Christ. She was simply faithful to the work in front of her. The conversation also turns toward grief and the miracles hidden inside ordinary life. Lydia reflects on losing both of her parents and recognizing too late how miraculous it was to eat breakfast with her father each morning. So much of what we call ordinary only reveals itself as sacred once it is gone. What if waiting well does not mean enjoying every moment or pretending that loss, uncertainty, and frustration do not hurt? What if it means learning to notice today's bread, today's breath, today's people, and today's work without demanding that they become something bigger before we call them enough? This episode is for anyone who feels buried beneath the soil, frustrated by invisible progress, or unsure whether God is doing anything at all. It is an invitation to release the need to force the outcome, pay attention to what is already present, and trust that hidden growth is still growth. Because maybe an unmiraculous season is not a season without miracles. Maybe it is a season in which we are learning how to see them.

  2. Aug 26

    What Makes the Lies More Convincing Than the Truth?

    What Makes the Lies More Convincing Than the Truth? Why is it so easy to believe the voice that says we are failing—and so difficult to believe the God who says we are loved? In this episode of Wine Into Water, we have an honest conversation about the lies that take root in our minds, the spiritual battle behind them, and why they often feel more believable than the truth. Some lies have been with us for so long that we no longer recognize them as lies. They may have begun with something said in childhood, a painful relationship, a moment of failure, a cultural expectation, or a conclusion we drew from a specific experience and then applied to the rest of our lives. Over time, they become familiar stories: I have to earn love. Everything depends on me. I am not enough. I am going to fail. God has forgotten me. Lydia reflects on how much easier it can feel to believe that love must be earned than to accept that God's love is freely and unconditionally given. Jen shares the fears that have surfaced while writing and preparing to release her book—the questions about whether the work is good enough, whether anyone will read it, and whether one vulnerable doubt might somehow prove that everything else in her life is falling apart. Together, they explore why vulnerability often becomes an entry point for lies. Sometimes the attacks come during painful seasons, but they can also grow louder when something good is happening—when we are creating, obeying, stepping into a calling, or putting meaningful work into the world. The conversation turns toward spiritual warfare and the importance of recognizing the arena we are standing in. For many Christians, the enemy is rarely discussed, and his lies are easily mistaken for ordinary anxiety, personal failure, or conflict with another person. But Scripture repeatedly describes a spiritual battle and calls Satan the father of lies. Jen and Lydia discuss what happens when we try to fight a spiritual battle using only the tools of the world. Breathing exercises, productivity strategies, positive thinking, and even professional support may all have value, but they cannot replace the truth of Scripture. If we do not know God's Word, we will struggle to recognize when a thought contradicts His character. Drawing from 2 Corinthians 10, Ephesians 6, Philippians 4, the Garden of Eden, and Psalm 23, they talk about taking thoughts captive, putting on the armor of God, and learning to distinguish the voice of love from the voice of accusation. They also acknowledge that sometimes we are too exhausted to hold up the shield of faith by ourselves. That is where community becomes essential. The same vulnerability the enemy tries to exploit can become the doorway to freedom when it is shared with someone trustworthy. Saying the lie out loud often exposes how distorted it has become. A faithful friend can pray, speak truth, and hold up our shield when we no longer have the strength to do it alone. This episode is for anyone who has ever been caught in a spiral, believed something they knew was not true, or wondered why fear sounds louder than faith. It is a reminder that the lies may continue to come, but they do not get the final word. Because the enemy may know where we are vulnerable. But God has given us His truth, His presence, His armor, and one another.

  3. Aug 12

    What Does It Mean to Abide?

    What Does It Mean to Abide? Jesus tells us to abide in Him—but what does that actually look like in an ordinary life? In this episode of Wine Into Water, we turn to the image of the vine and the branches in John 15 and wrestle with a word many Christians have heard their entire lives without ever fully understanding. We know we are supposed to abide, or remain, in Christ. But is abiding something we do? Is it a discipline we master? Is it more prayer, more Scripture, more obedience, or more effort? Jen begins with a simple image from her garden. She can water the plants, improve the soil, protect them from insects, and create the right conditions for growth. But she cannot make a plant grow or force it to produce fruit. The life within the plant does that on its own. That image opens a deeper conversation about the Christian life and our instinct to manufacture spiritual growth. So often, when we do not see enough love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, or self-control in ourselves, we respond by trying harder. We treat the fruit of the Spirit like a spiritual scorecard and assume that if we were better Christians, our lives would look more impressive. But Jesus does not tell the branch to manufacture fruit. He tells it to remain connected to the vine. Together, Jen and Lydia explore why that invitation can be so difficult to accept. Lydia reflects on the struggle to receive grace as a genuinely free gift and the part of us that still believes we must earn love, forgiveness, and belonging. Jen shares the image of a child whose crib railing has been removed but who continues to stay in bed and cry for help, unable to believe that freedom has already been given. They talk about the prisons we continue living in even after Jesus has opened the door: fear, shame, control, performance, and the belief that everything depends on us. They consider why we often behave as though we are still separated from God, even though Scripture tells us that His Spirit already lives within us. The conversation also moves toward surrender. Abiding is not simply spending ten minutes with God in the morning or attending church once a week. It is a continual posture of dependence. It means trusting that His timing is better than ours, His provision is enough, and His presence matters more than the outcomes we are trying to control. Drawing from Romans 7, Psalm 23, Mary Magdalene at the empty tomb, and the table God prepares in the presence of our enemies, Jen and Lydia reflect on what happens when we stop staring at the problem and turn toward the One who has been beside us all along. This episode is for anyone who has ever tried to fix themselves, force spiritual growth, or earn what God has already freely given. It is a reminder that fruit is not proof that we are trying hard enough. Fruit is evidence that we are connected to the source of life. Because maybe abiding is not another thing to accomplish. Maybe it is finally believing that Jesus is already near—and choosing to remain.

  4. Jul 29

    What Is a Proverbs 31 Woman?

    What Is a Proverbs 31 Woman? Is Proverbs 31 meant to inspire women—or leave them feeling like they will never be enough? In this episode of Wine Into Water, we wrestle with one of the most celebrated, complicated, and sometimes weaponized passages in Scripture: the description of the Proverbs 31 woman. She runs a household, raises children, serves the poor, buys property, plants a vineyard, manages a business, supports her husband, rises before dawn, works late into the night, and somehow does it all with strength, dignity, wisdom, and joy. For women already carrying the pressure to be everything to everyone, the passage can begin to feel less like encouragement and more like an impossible performance review. Together, we explore what Proverbs 31 may have been intended to communicate and how easily we turn it into a checklist. Lydia reflects on her own tendency toward achievement, people-pleasing, and performance, and the temptation to read the passage as a list of standards she must meet to become a woman of noble character. Jen shares the story of Rachel Held Evans, who spent a year attempting to follow the passage literally and ultimately concluded that it was never intended to function as a list of tasks women must complete. The conversation turns toward the larger structure of Proverbs, where wisdom is repeatedly personified as a woman. What if the woman described in the final chapter is not simply an ideal wife every woman must imitate? What if she is also a picture of wisdom itself—a life shaped by trust in God rather than fear, striving, or scarcity? We consider how the passage has sometimes been used to place an impossible burden on women, especially those who are single, do not have children, live in poverty, work outside the home, remain at home, or simply do not see themselves reflected in every detail. We also return to the story of Mary and Martha and the reminder that the work itself is not necessarily the problem. The deeper question is the posture of the heart doing it. As the conversation unfolds, Jen and Lydia begin to notice something often missed in the passage: this woman does not seem crushed by her responsibilities. She appears strong, capable, generous, and even joyful. She can laugh at the days to come, not because she controls every outcome, but because she trusts the God who does. They reflect honestly on the way stress, busyness, and the belief that everything depends on us affect the people around us. What would our children say about the way we carry our lives? Would they call us blessed—or would they describe us as tired, hurried, overwhelmed, and unavailable? This episode is for any woman who has ever read Proverbs 31 and felt inspired, exhausted, defensive, inadequate, or all four at once. It is an invitation to stop treating the passage as a spiritual scorecard and begin seeing it as a blessing: a picture of what becomes possible when a woman lives from the wisdom, strength, and abundance of God. Because maybe a Proverbs 31 woman is not a woman who does everything. Maybe she is a woman who remembers that God has already given her what she needs to do the work He has placed before her.

  5. Jul 16

    Would I Still Obey If No One Ever Knew

    Would I Still Obey If Nobody Ever Knew? What does it really mean to let your light shine without living for the approval of other people? In this episode of Wine Into Water, we wrestle with two teachings of Jesus that seem, at first glance, to contradict one another. In one passage, He tells us to let our light shine before others so they may see our good works and glorify God. Just a few verses later, He warns us not to practice our righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. So which is it? Together, we explore the difference between living a life that points people toward God and living a life that seeks attention for ourselves. We talk about how easy it is to confuse recognition with significance, especially in a world built on achievement, promotions, awards, followers, and external validation. What happens when nobody notices your faithfulness? And how do we keep obeying when the applause never comes? Jen reflects on the challenge of integrating faith into secular leadership, sharing stories from her corporate career about learning to lead with love in environments where openly expressing faith often felt unwelcome. Lydia explores the shifting opinions of people throughout Scripture—from Paul and the shipwreck to Jesus entering Jerusalem on Palm Sunday—and reminds us why building our identity on the approval of others will always leave us chasing a moving target. As the conversation unfolds, a deeper truth begins to emerge. Perhaps Jesus wasn't giving two competing commands at all. Perhaps He was inviting us into a different way of living—one where our motivation is always God's approval, but the overflow naturally becomes visible to the people around us. A life transformed by Christ can't help but shine, not because it's trying to be noticed, but because His presence changes every room we enter. Together, we also wrestle with fear, perfectionism, toxic workplaces, surrender, and the exhausting pressure of believing everything depends on us. We reflect on what it looks like to carry the presence of Christ into ordinary conversations, difficult leadership moments, and seasons where obedience feels lonely or misunderstood. This episode is for anyone who has ever wondered whether their quiet faithfulness matters, struggled with people-pleasing, or felt torn between wanting to honor God and wanting to be seen by others. It's a reminder that the opinions of people will always shift, but God's never do. Because maybe the brightest light isn't found in being noticed. Maybe it's found in faithfully living for an audience of One.

  6. Jul 1

    Why Is It So Hard to Sabbath?

    Why Is It So Hard to Sabbath? If God made keeping the Sabbath one of the Ten Commandments, why is it the one we seem most comfortable ignoring? In this episode of Wine Into Water, we wrestle with one of the most overlooked practices in the Christian life: Sabbath. Why does resting feel so difficult? Why do we feel guilty when we're not being productive? And if God doesn't need our work, why does He care so much that we stop? Together, we explore the tension between living in a culture that celebrates hustle and achievement while following a God who repeatedly invites us to slow down. We reflect on how easily our identity becomes tied to what we accomplish, and why taking a day to rest can feel more uncomfortable than working through exhaustion. Looking at the stories of Creation, the Israelites in the wilderness, and Jesus' teaching on the Sabbath, we discover that this commandment was never simply about taking a day off. It's about trust. It's about freedom. It's about remembering that we are no longer slaves to productivity, performance, or the belief that everything depends on us. Jen shares the irony of wanting her local grocery store to stay open on Sundays while admiring the faith it takes for Christian business owners to close their doors. Lydia reflects on the challenge of staying connected to work in a world where emails and notifications never stop, and together they wrestle with how modern life has made true rest increasingly difficult. As the conversation unfolds, a deeper question begins to emerge: What if Sabbath isn't simply a gift God gave us? What if it's a reminder of what we were created for? Perhaps the invitation has never just been to stop working, but to return to the One we were made to be with. Whether you've never practiced Sabbath, struggle to slow down, or simply feel exhausted by the pace of life, this episode is an invitation to consider that God's command isn't another burden to carry. It's an invitation to delight, to trust, and to remember that His love—and His provision—were never dependent on your productivity. Because maybe the deepest rest we long for isn't found in doing less. Maybe it's found in being with the One we were made for.

  7. Jun 17

    Why Don't I Hear God?

    Why Don’t I Hear God? If God is always with us, why are there seasons when He feels completely silent? In this episode of Wine Into Water, we tackle one of the most common—and most painful—questions of faith: Why don’t I hear God? Whether you're in a season where heaven feels quiet, where prayers seem unanswered, or where you're wondering if God is speaking and you simply can't hear Him, this conversation is for you. Together, we explore the stories of Scripture that remind us we're not alone in asking this question. From David's cries in the Psalms to Habakkuk's frustration, from Job's suffering to Elijah's whisper, the Bible is filled with people who wrestled with God's silence. Rather than explaining away the tension, Scripture invites us into it—and shows us what faithful endurance looks like when answers don't come. We discuss the difference between God's silence and His absence, and why silence is not necessarily a sign that something is wrong with your faith. We wrestle with our tendency to assume that God's quietness must be our fault, and consider the possibility that some seasons of silence are simply part of the journey of walking with Him. The conversation also turns toward the realities of modern life: our busyness, distractions, endless notifications, and the pressure to stay productive. How can we hear a whisper in a world that never stops shouting? What if part of the challenge isn't that God isn't speaking, but that we've forgotten how to be still long enough to listen? Along the way, Jen and Lydia share the practices that have helped them recognize God's presence in everyday life—from Scripture and prayer to worship music, community, nature, and the unexpected "echoes" that often reveal His guidance over time. They reflect on the importance of paying attention, cultivating a posture of expectancy, and remembering that God often speaks in ways that are quieter and more subtle than we expect. This episode is for anyone who has ever wondered whether God hears them, whether they missed His voice, or whether they're walking through a season where heaven feels closed. It's a reminder that God's silence is not abandonment, that faith often grows in the waiting, and that the God who promises never to leave us is still present—even when we cannot hear Him clearly. Because sometimes the question isn't whether God is speaking. Sometimes it's whether we've made space to listen.

  8. Jun 4

    Why Does Everything Seem to Change the Moment We Say it Out Loud?

    Why does everything seem to change the moment we say it out loud? Have you ever carried a fear, a doubt, or a story in your head for weeks—only to speak it out loud and immediately realize it wasn’t true? In this episode of Wine Into Water, we explore the surprising power of confession, conversation, and bringing things into the light. Together, we wrestle with a question many of us have experienced but rarely stop to examine: Why do the thoughts that seem so overwhelming in our minds often lose their power the moment we say them out loud? Through personal stories about anxiety, fear, shame, and the narratives we quietly build in our heads, we discuss how isolation gives lies room to grow. We talk about the stories we tell ourselves, the assumptions we make about other people, and the ways fear can slowly shape our hearts when it remains hidden in the dark. Drawing from Scripture, we explore the connection between truth, light, community, repentance, and freedom. We reflect on why God designed us for relationship, why the enemy's strategy has always been isolation, and why speaking honestly with trusted people can become one of the most powerful tools for spiritual growth. We also wrestle with the reality that many people have been hurt by the very communities that were meant to provide safety, making vulnerability feel risky even when it's desperately needed. Along the way, we discuss shame, the courage required to speak hard things out loud, and the difference between living in secrecy and living in truth. We consider how repentance may be less about informing God of something He already knows and more about stepping out of silence so healing can begin. This episode is for anyone who feels trapped in their own thoughts, stuck in cycles of anxiety, shame, fear, or self-doubt. It's for the person carrying a secret burden, rehearsing conversations that never happen, or believing stories they would immediately question if they heard themselves say them out loud. Because maybe freedom doesn't begin when circumstances change. Maybe it begins when we stop carrying things alone.

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 Wine Into Water is a podcast about faith in the seasons that feel ordinary, heavy, or unresolved—when the miracle we’re praying for hasn’t come and life keeps moving anyway. Through honest conversations and spiritual reflection, we explore how to recognize God’s presence, purpose, and abundance in the middle of the mundane.