Making Love Podcast

Roy & Tish

Married in 4 months. 30 years later… still obsessed with each other. Yeah—we’ve got some things to say.  Welcome to The Making Love Podcast. What if marriage wasn’t something you just maintained… But something you intentionally built, protected, and genuinely enjoyed? We combine biblical truth with real-life, practical wisdom to help you create a marriage that’s:  Strong in faith  Deeply connected  And actually fun We talk about the real stuff:  How to keep communication open (even when it’s hard)  How to avoid emotional shutdown  Understanding your spouse’s “marriage language”  Navigating entrepreneur + non-entrepreneur dynamics  And building a love that keeps growing—not fading We’re pastors, parents of 3 grown sons, and grandparents… but at the end of the day, we’re still choosing each other—and still having fun doing it. This isn’t about perfection. It’s about building a marriage that lasts—and feels alive along the way.

Episodes

  1. 7h ago

    After Domestic Abuse: Healing, Breaking the Cycle, and Building a Healthy Marriage

    What happens after you leave an abusive relationship? Leaving may be the first step toward freedom, but healing doesn't necessarily end when the relationship does. In this deeply personal episode of The Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy, Tish shares her experience of surviving an abusive marriage and the emotional work required to move forward. Together, they explore how abuse can affect trust, communication, confidence, and future relationships. This isn't only a conversation about leaving. It's about what happens after you leave and realize you still have healing to do. When the Relationship Ends, But the Impact Remains Tish explains that leaving an abusive marriage was only one part of her journey. The fear, emotional wounds, expectations, and relationship patterns she carried afterward didn't simply disappear. She had to confront what the experience had taught her about love, marriage, herself, and what she believed a relationship should look like. Healing required intentionality, self-awareness, and learning that her past did not have to determine her future. The Red Flags We Sometimes Ignore Tish also talks honestly about recognizing warning signs but convincing herself things would eventually change. Maybe marriage would make things better. Maybe having a baby would change things. Maybe changing circumstances would change the person. This conversation isn't about blaming someone for remaining in an abusive relationship. It's about understanding how hope, love, fear, and family expectations can make it difficult to acknowledge what is happening. What Did We Learn About Marriage From Our Families? Tish and Pastor Roy explore another important question: How much of our relationship language comes from what we watched growing up? The way our parents communicated, handled conflict, expressed anger, used silence, or resolved problems can influence our own relationships. Sometimes we carry those patterns into marriage without realizing it. Creating a healthy marriage may require identifying those behaviors and intentionally deciding which patterns need to continue and which need to stop. Abuse Doesn't Only Happen to Women Pastor Roy reminds listeners that domestic violence and abusive relationships can affect men as well. Abuse isn't always easy to recognize, and it doesn't always look the same from one relationship to another. Control, intimidation, manipulation, anger, and unhealthy communication can all be part of dysfunctional relationship patterns. The important thing is recognizing that abuse is serious and that people deserve safety, support, and a path forward. How Do You Help Someone You Love? What do you do when you believe someone you love is in an unhealthy or abusive relationship? Do you speak up? Do you stay out of it? What if they become angry with you? Tish shares from her experience working with organizations focused on family violence and helping people understand that there can be another path. Sometimes the hardest conversation is the one someone desperately needs to hear. Healing Enough to Love Again Perhaps the heart of this episode is what happens when someone who has experienced abuse chooses to love again. How do you learn to trust? How do you communicate without assuming the worst? How do you recognize when your past is affecting your present? And how do two imperfect people build a healthy marriage when they both bring their own experiences into the relationship? Tish and Pastor Roy talk honestly about grace, communication, healing, and the intentional work required to create a healthier relationship. Because a healthy marriage isn't simply something you find. It's something you build together. In This Episode Surviving an abusive marriageHealing after domestic violenceEmotional effects of abuseRecognizing relationship red flagsWhy people sometimes ignore warning signsDomestic violence and unhealthy relationshipsHow family history influences marriageBreaking unhealthy relationship patternsRebuilding trust after abuseMarriage communicationHelping someone in an abusive relationshipCreating a healthy marriage after abuseFaith, grace, and healingLearning to love againJoin the Conversation Have you ever realized that something you learned about relationships growing up was affecting your own relationship? Maybe it was the way you handled conflict. Maybe it was anger, silence, fear, or believing that love meant simply staying no matter what. Tell us in the comments. Your story or perspective may help someone else recognize a pattern they haven't been able to put into words. About The Making Love Podcast The Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy is where love gets real, faith leads the way, and marriage becomes something you can actually enjoy. Through honest conversations about marriage, communication, intimacy, faith, friendship, conflict, and connection, Tish and Pastor Roy explore what it takes to build a relationship that lasts. Because when love is made, it doesn't just last. It gets better every day. domestic violence, surviving abuse, abusive marriage, healing from abuse, emotional abuse, domestic abuse recovery, healthy marriage, marriage after abuse, rebuilding trust, relationship red flags, toxic relationships, marriage communication, healthy relationships, Christian marriage, faith and marriage, overcoming abuse, relationship healing, breaking unhealthy relationship patterns, The Making Love Podcast, Tish and Pastor Roy #MakingLovePodcast #SurvivingAbuse #HealingFromAbuse #HealthyMarriage #MarriageAfterAbuse #DomesticViolenceAwareness #RelationshipHealing #EmotionalAbuse #HealthyRelationships #ChristianMarriage #MarriageCommunication #FaithAndMarriage Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    After Domestic Abuse: Healing, Breaking the Cycle, and Building a Healthy Marriage
  2. Aug 6

    Part 2 Developing Your Marital Language, Marriage Communication That Actually Works Faith Filled and Real

    Welcome back to Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy where love gets real, faith leads the way, and marriage becomes something you actually enjoy (yes… even during the hard conversations). And today? We are diving into something that will either make you laugh, pause, or gently nudge your elbow like… “Hey… we should probably talk about this.” Marital Language. Because let’s be honest, Sometimes it’s not what you said… …it’s exactly how you said it. The Big Idea (That Changes Everything) You don’t just have a relationship… You are building a language together. In Part 2, Tish and Pastor Roy unpack: Why serving your spouse is not weakness it is wisdomHow the way you communicate can either heal or hurtWhy your marriage needs its own language not your parents’ versionAnd how intentional communication builds deeper connectionBecause if you don’t learn how to love your spouse their way… You might be speaking… and they’re still not hearing you. Let’s Talk About “That One Phrase…” You know the one. The thing you said that sounded totally normal to you… …but somehow turned into a full situation  Yeah… this episode goes there. Tish and Pastor Roy share how many of our reactions come from: What we saw growing up What we heard repeatedly What we thought was normal But here’s the truth: Just because you learned it… doesn’t mean it works. Unlearning Is Part of Loving One of the most powerful takeaways: Don’t use my language… use my process. In other words: Don’t copy someone else’s marriageDon’t repeat what didn’t workDon’t assume your spouse “should understand”Instead: Learn your spouse Study what speaks to them Build something that actually works for your relationship The Silence We Don’t Talk About Here’s where it gets real… Silence in marriage can mean two completely different things: In immature relationships → silence feels like tension In healthy, growing marriages → silence feels like peace That shift? That’s growth. That’s trust. That’s connection. Awwww… yeah, that one hits. Love Languages… But Make It Real Life This episode also touches on something we all overlook: Touch is communication. Presence is communication. Even sitting in the same room counts. It is not always about big gestures, Sometimes it is: Sitting together while watching different showsA simple touch on the armChoosing connection in small, everyday momentsAnd honestly… that is where real love lives. Faith-filled without feeling heavyHonest without being harshPractical without being boringmarriage communication, Christian marriage podcast, marital language, relationship advice Christian, healthy marriage tips, communication in marriage, love languages explained, faith based relationships, marriage growth podcast, Tish and Pastor Roy, Making Love Podcast, relationship communication tips, how to improve marriage communication, couples communication skills Final Thought Marriage is not about getting it perfect. It is about learning, growing, laughing, and sometimes saying: “Hey… that didn’t come out right. Let me try again.” Because when love is built intentionally— it does not just last… It gets better every day. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Part 2 Developing Your Marital Language, Marriage Communication That Actually Works Faith Filled and Real
  3. Jul 30

    When Conflict Hits How Strong Couples Fight Together, Not Against Each Other

    Time to put down your differences for this powerful and deeply transparent episode of the Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy, the conversation explores a truth that can completely transform any marriage, learning how to fight together instead of against each other. Conflict is inevitable. Life brings pressure, mistakes, setbacks, and unexpected challenges. The real question is not whether couples will face conflict, but how they choose to respond when it comes. This episode invites you to shift your perspective from blame and division to unity and strategy. Through raw storytelling and real life experiences, Tish and Pastor Roy open up about one of the most difficult seasons in their marriage, a time marked by financial loss, broken communication, and emotional distance. What could have torn them apart instead became the foundation for a deeper understanding of partnership, accountability, and trust. They challenge listeners to consider a new approach. What if, in moments of frustration, instead of pointing fingers, you paused and recognized that the real problem is not your spouse, but the situation standing in front of both of you. What if you chose to stand side by side and face it together. This episode highlights the importance of communication, vulnerability, and letting go of fear based decisions that create distance. It reminds couples that unity is not automatic, it is intentional. Fighting together means protecting the relationship, even in the middle of pain. If you have ever felt misunderstood, overwhelmed, or on the verge of giving up during hard seasons, this conversation will encourage you to rethink conflict and rediscover the strength that comes from standing together. Because the strongest marriages are not the ones without struggles, they are the ones that refuse to let those struggles come between them. #marriage conflict resolution, how to fight fair in marriage, relationship communication, couples conflict advice, healthy marriage habits, overcoming relationship struggles, marriage podcast, building strong relationships, emotional connection in marriage, teamwork in marriage. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    When Conflict Hits How Strong Couples Fight Together, Not Against Each Other
  4. Jul 23

    Investing in Your Marriage Why Time and Shared Experiences Matter Most

    Because when love is invested, it does not just last, it gets better every day. In this fun episode of the Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy, the conversation turns to one of the most overlooked keys to a thriving relationship, intentional investment in your marriage. While many people pour time, energy, and money into building careers or businesses, this episode gently challenges couples to consider how much they are truly investing in their most important partnership. Through honest reflection and personal stories, Tish and Pastor Roy explore how real connection is built not through material gifts, but through shared experiences, meaningful time together, and a willingness to grow side by side. From trying new foods and traveling together to creating special moments even during financially tight seasons, they remind listeners that investment does not have to be expensive to be powerful. Some of the most meaningful memories come from simple, intentional choices to prioritize one another. This episode also highlights the importance of continuing to date your spouse, embracing new experiences together, and staying curious about who your partner is becoming. Marriage is not static, it is a journey of discovery, and the more you invest, the greater the return. With warmth, humor, and real life insight, this conversation will inspire you to rethink how you spend your time, deepen your connection, and build a marriage that continues to grow stronger every day. #investing in your marriage, marriage advice, relationship growth, dating your spouse, marriage podcast, healthy relationships, couples connection, building intimacy, long term relationships, intentional marriage. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Investing in Your Marriage Why Time and Shared Experiences Matter Most
  5. Jul 17

    The Secret Language of Marriage: How Couples Miscommunicate And Fix It Fast

    Communication in marriage isn’t just about talking it’s about understanding the language your spouse hears, feels, and responds to. In this eye-opening episode of the Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy, we explore how the way you communicate in marriage evolves and why what worked while dating may no longer work now. From misunderstood jokes to silence that speaks volumes, this conversation dives deep into the hidden meanings behind everyday words. Tish and Pastor Roy share personal stories about how their upbringing, past relationships, and emotional experiences shaped the way they interpret communication and how those differences once caused confusion, frustration, and even hurt. With honesty and warmth, they unpack the powerful realization that love isn’t just expressed through intention it’s received through interpretation. Learning your spouse’s “marital language” can transform tension into connection and misunderstandings into moments of growth. You’ll hear touching reflections on family influence, including how love was modeled through actions like provision, loyalty, and consistency and how those lessons can both help and hinder modern relationships. This episode also highlights the importance of emotional safety, patience, and choosing connection over being “right.” Whether you're newly married or years into your journey, this conversation will leave you reflecting on your own communication patterns and inspire you to love more intentionally. Because when love is made with understanding, it doesn’t just last it grows deeper every single day. #marriage communication, relationship advice, love language in marriage, couples communication tips, healthy marriage habits, emotional connection, relationship growth, marriage podcast, communication in relationships. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    The Secret Language of Marriage: How Couples Miscommunicate And Fix It Fast
  6. Jul 9

    Naked and Unashamed The Truth About Real Intimacy

    What if intimacy is not what you have been taught to believe. In this powerful and thought provoking episode, the conversation goes far beyond the physical and dives into the true essence of connection in marriage. This discussion challenges the common narrative that intimacy begins and ends in the bedroom. Instead, it reveals that real intimacy is built in the everyday moments where trust, safety, and vulnerability are consistently shown. It is about creating a space where both partners feel seen, accepted, and free to be fully themselves without fear of judgment or rejection. Through honest dialogue and meaningful insight, this episode explores the difference between sex and making love, emphasizing that true connection is rooted in emotional and spiritual closeness. It highlights the importance of intentionally building an atmosphere where openness thrives and where both partners can communicate their deepest thoughts, fears, and desires. From learning your spouse deeply to demonstrating trust in small but powerful ways, this conversation offers a fresh perspective on what it means to truly connect. It is not about perfection, but about presence, consistency, and choosing each other daily. Many couples struggle with intimacy not because they lack love, but because they misunderstand what intimacy truly requires. This episode provides clarity and direction, helping couples build a stronger, more meaningful connection that goes far beyond the surface. True intimacy is not found in a single moment, it is built over time through trust, care, and intentional love. When two people create a space where they can be fully known and fully accepted, that is where real connection begins. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Naked and Unashamed The Truth About Real Intimacy
  7. Jul 2

    From Me to We The Real Shift After I Do

    The wedding may be one day, but marriage is a mindset shift that happens every single day after. In this relatable and honest episode, the conversation dives into what it really means to transition from living for yourself to building a life with someone else. From small habits like how you spend your time to bigger moments like showing up for your partner when it matters most, this episode unpacks the real adjustments couples face early in marriage. It is not about giving up who you are, but about learning how to think in terms of we instead of me. Through humor and real life stories, including a memorable first argument that highlights expectations and communication gaps, this episode brings to life the growing pains that come with merging two lifestyles into one shared journey. This is a conversation about awareness, compromise, and learning that love is not just a feeling, it is a series of intentional choices made daily. Many couples enter marriage thinking love will carry them through everything. This episode highlights that while love is essential, understanding, communication, and adjustment are what truly sustain a healthy relationship. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    From Me to We The Real Shift After I Do
  8. Jun 25

    Before You Say I Do What You Really Need to Know

    Before the vows, before the big day, before everything becomes official there are conversations that matter more than anything else. In this episode of the Making Love podcast, we dive into what couples should really be thinking about before getting married and why so many miss the signs that could save them from future heartache. This is not about the fairytale version of love. It is about the real work that builds a lasting marriage. From learning how to truly listen instead of just waiting to respond, to recognizing how family dynamics shape relationship patterns, this conversation pulls back the curtain on what actually prepares couples for life together. We also get into the topics most people avoid Credit and finances Communication habits Sex and expectations Family history and relationship patterns Because the truth is, what you do not talk about before marriage will eventually show up after it. With honesty and humor, we share personal stories from our own relationship including the early days of learning to be fully seen imperfections and all and why transparency is not optional if you want something real. This episode is a reminder that marriage is not built on perfect moments. It is built on honesty, growth, and the willingness to show up fully. Because when love is real, it is not just about saying I do. It is about doing the work that comes after. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Before You Say I Do What You Really Need to Know
  9. Jun 18

    Learning How to Fight Right Without Hurting Each Other

    Welcome back to Making Love the podcast where we keep it real about relationships, marriage, and everything in between. Today’s conversation is one that so many of you have asked for again and again. Learning how to fight right. Because the truth is, the goal in marriage is not to fight. But if you do not know how to disagree, small things turn into big things fast. In this episode, we open up about something that might surprise you. For a long time, we did not argue at all. Not because everything was perfect, but because we were avoiding conflict altogether. On the outside, it probably looked peaceful. But underneath, we were quietly building pressure. We talk honestly about where that came from. For him, it was growing up in a home where he watched a marriage fall apart up close and personal. That experience shaped a deep desire to avoid anything that even felt like conflict. For her, it was the opposite in a different way. There was no visible conflict growing up, but there also was not real communication. No deep conversations. No modeling of how to work through issues. So avoiding hard conversations felt normal. And then there is the layer many people carry but do not always talk about. Past relationships. Pain. Trauma. Fear of what could happen if you say the wrong thing. We get real about how past experiences, including abuse, can quietly shape how you show up in your current marriage. How fear can keep you silent. And how silence, over time, can create distance instead of peace. At some point, everything shifted. We realized that avoiding conflict was not protecting our marriage. It was hurting it. Because what you do not deal with does not disappear. It builds. So we had to learn a new way. In this episode, we talk about what actually helped us move from avoidance to healthy communication. Letting go of fear and understanding the commitment we made to each other Creating a safe space where honesty does not lead to rejection Giving each other grace especially when past wounds show up in present moments Learning not to bring up old, already forgiven issues during new conversations Choosing to love each other well even in the middle of hard moments We also talk about something that does not get said enough. You cannot treat people at work better than the person you come home to. If you are giving patience, grace, and understanding to everyone else but bringing frustration into your home, something has to shift. Your marriage deserves the best of you. Not what is left over. We bring you honest, healing, and deeply relatable for anyone who has ever struggled with communication, avoided hard conversations, or wondered how to handle conflict without damaging the relationship. Because learning how to fight right is really about learning how to love better. And that changes everything. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Learning How to Fight Right Without Hurting Each Other
  10. Jun 11

    The Silent Lessons of Love Growing Up and Growing Together

    Welcome back to the Making Love podcast, where we believe that when love is made with intention, it does not just last, it grows deeper and more meaningful every single day. In this warm and heartfelt episode, we explore a powerful idea that often goes unnoticed. Our first experience with love did not begin in romance. It began at home. Before we ever chose a partner, before we understood connection, we were shaped by the love we witnessed from the people who raised us. We open up about our own stories with honesty and vulnerability. The beauty we saw. The things we longed for. The gaps that quietly shaped our desires. And the unexpected places we found better examples of love, from grandparents to siblings who showed us what partnership, friendship, and genuine connection could look like. This conversation is not about blame. It is about awareness. Because whether we realize it or not, children are always watching. They are learning what love looks like in the everyday moments. How we speak to each other. How we handle distance or closeness. How we show up as partners. We also reflect on the full circle moments as parents ourselves. Hearing your child say, if I cannot have a love like yours, I do not want anything at all, is both humbling and deeply meaningful. It reminds us that the way we love each other becomes a living example for the next generation. Listen closely, we talk about How early family experiences shape relationship expectations The difference between loyalty, partnership, and true connection Why some people learn what they want and others learn what they do not want How healing and new examples can redefine your vision of love What it means to model a relationship your children can feel and not just see This is a conversation filled with reflection, grace, and truth. A reminder that love is not just something we find. It is something we learn, unlearn, and choose again. If this episode speaks to you, share it with someone you love. Because the way we understand love can change everything about the way we live it. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    The Silent Lessons of Love Growing Up and Growing Together
  11. Jun 4

    When You Know, You Know: Faith, Fast Love, and Finding The One

    Welcome to the very first episode of the Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy, where love gets real, faith leads the way, and marriage becomes something you can truly enjoy. In this episode, Tish and Pastor Roy take you back to where it all began. What started as a simple introduction at a church singles barbecue quickly turned into something neither of them expected. From first impressions that were less than perfect to a connection that couldn’t be ignored, their story is anything but ordinary. They open up about their whirlwind journey, meeting, getting engaged within weeks, and married just months later. While they don’t recommend following their exact timeline, they share the deeper truth behind it all: faith, clarity, and a strong sense of purpose. Tish also shares a powerful moment of personal conviction after coming out of a difficult past relationship, including the letter she wrote describing exactly what she wanted in a husband and how Pastor Roy checked every box. Together, they reflect on the conversations, confirmations, and spiritual alignment that made it clear they were meant to build a life together. This episode is filled with laughter, honesty, and real perspective on love, timing, and trusting God’s plan—even when it doesn’t look like everyone else’s. If you’re married, dating, healing, or simply believing for something real, this conversation will challenge what you think you know about love and remind you that when it’s right, it’s undeniable. Because when love is made with intention, faith, and friendship, it doesn’t just last, it gets better every day. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    When You Know, You Know: Faith, Fast Love, and Finding The One
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    Welcome to the Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy

    Welcome to the Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy. This is where love gets real, faith leads the way, and marriage becomes something you actually enjoy. We’re talking laughter, connection, and the kind of conversations that challenge what you thought you knew while giving you practical, faith-filled ways to make something that lasts. Whether you’re married, dating, or just curious, this is your time to grow together, have fun, and create a relationship rooted in friendship, purpose, and connection. Because when love is MADE, it doesn’t just last, it gets better every day. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

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Married in 4 months. 30 years later… still obsessed with each other. Yeah—we’ve got some things to say.  Welcome to The Making Love Podcast. What if marriage wasn’t something you just maintained… But something you intentionally built, protected, and genuinely enjoyed? We combine biblical truth with real-life, practical wisdom to help you create a marriage that’s:  Strong in faith  Deeply connected  And actually fun We talk about the real stuff:  How to keep communication open (even when it’s hard)  How to avoid emotional shutdown  Understanding your spouse’s “marriage language”  Navigating entrepreneur + non-entrepreneur dynamics  And building a love that keeps growing—not fading We’re pastors, parents of 3 grown sons, and grandparents… but at the end of the day, we’re still choosing each other—and still having fun doing it. This isn’t about perfection. It’s about building a marriage that lasts—and feels alive along the way.