Making Love Podcast

Roy & Tish

Married in 4 months. 30 years later… still obsessed with each other. Yeah—we’ve got some things to say.  Welcome to The Making Love Podcast. What if marriage wasn’t something you just maintained… But something you intentionally built, protected, and genuinely enjoyed? We combine biblical truth with real-life, practical wisdom to help you create a marriage that’s:  Strong in faith  Deeply connected  And actually fun We talk about the real stuff:  How to keep communication open (even when it’s hard)  How to avoid emotional shutdown  Understanding your spouse’s “marriage language”  Navigating entrepreneur + non-entrepreneur dynamics  And building a love that keeps growing—not fading We’re pastors, parents of 3 grown sons, and grandparents… but at the end of the day, we’re still choosing each other—and still having fun doing it. This isn’t about perfection. It’s about building a marriage that lasts—and feels alive along the way.

  1. 2d ago

    Blank Check of Forgiveness

    Does a marriage really require a blank check of forgiveness? Pastor Roy's answer starts with a no and ends with a yes, and he explains exactly how both can be true. In this episode of The Making Love Podcast, Tish and Pastor Roy take on forgiveness as it actually plays out at home, from a soup and half a sandwich that did not count as lunch to hurts that are much heavier to carry. They start with the small stuff, the socks on the floor and the clothes not folded right, because small offenses that never get forgiven pile up until everything makes you upset. Pastor Roy points to the small foxes that spoil the vine. Then they get to what forgiveness is and is not. Pastor Roy describes it as an internal release of the connection an injury creates, not a verdict of not guilty and not pretending nothing happened. Tish shares how she came to forgive after the physical and emotional abuse of her first marriage, and how she knew it had finally taken hold: the name could be said and it had zero effect on her. Pastor Roy is clear that forgiving is not the same as staying in the same place. If someone refuses to do better, you have to rethink whether you forgive together or forgive separate. If someone is trying and learning, you give grace, because you never punish a learner. The conversation turns practical. Why do couples drag up the last argument? Pastor Roy says it starts with the wrong framework: when you feel the need to win, you go looking for weapons, and in marriage there is no way to win a fight. Tish adds that it is not only about forgiving, it is the speed with which we decide to do it. Listen for Pastor Roy's hay bale analogy about why holding feelings in the middle becomes a fire hazard in a marriage, and his honest take on needing to downshift while Tish goes from drag to reverse. They close with what to do after years of unforgiveness: ask whether holding on is helping or hurting, start with willingness, and pray for help to release it. Your turn: share your own story of forgiveness in the comments. Tish and Pastor Roy want to hear from the Making Love community. If this episode spoke to you, send it to someone who means the world to you. 0:02 Welcome and the big question: does marriage require a blank check of forgiveness? 2:52 What forgiveness really is, and why it does not mean pretending you were never hurt. 5:16 Tish shares her experience of forgiving after abuse in her first marriage and how she recognized she had released it. 8:42 Forgiving together or forgiving separately when someone refuses to change. 10:42 Why couples bring up old arguments and why trying to win a fight hurts the marriage. 17:01 Pastor Roy's hay bale analogy shows how unresolved resentment becomes a fire hazard in a marriage. 20:26 Where to begin after years of unforgiveness: willingness, honest reflection, and prayer. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Blank Check of Forgiveness
  2. Oct 1

    Married to a Dreamer: How to Build the Vision Together

    On the Making Love Podcast, Tish Times and Pastor Roy Times talk honestly about being married to a dreamer. Tish has launched more ventures than the two can count, and Roy remembers the early excitement of her seeing possibilities he could not. When an electric bill was due, her spontaneous garage sale brought in more than enough to pay it. But as her ambitions grew into longer projects, the future was harder for him to picture. He supported her, yet he did not always understand what she was building or how the next investment would affect their family. Tish has run her current business for 16 years and now coaches women entrepreneurs. Looking back, she sees that she expected Roy to come along for each new idea without always explaining the vision. Roy admits he could have asked more questions instead of simply standing back and trusting her to figure it out. Their conversation makes room for both sides: the dreamer afraid that sharing a fragile idea will invite doubt, and the spouse who wants to help but cannot invest in a future they cannot see. Faith does not mean refusing to talk about the plan. They find that intimacy and trust make it possible to share the vision, hear the concerns and build something together. Their story has funny and humbling moments. Roy jokes that there are not enough fingers to count the businesses Tish has tried. She remembers the sales ventures that came before her current work and a long drive to a business event in Dallas, with Roy at the wheel and a workday waiting for her on Monday. She thanks him for taking that ride. It is easy to praise a spouse for believing in a dream after it pays off. It is harder, and more important, to notice the effort and uncertainty they carried before the outcome was clear. They also get practical about money. Tish raises the danger of dipping into family savings for a business opportunity without talking to your spouse. Roy reminds listeners that the spouse is already invested in the dream, whether or not their name is on the business. What would success cost the marriage if it takes every evening together? What would a setback cost if the two never agreed on the risk? Communication before the decision gives both people a chance to understand the stakes and find a way forward. It is not a choice between saying yes to every opportunity and saying no to every dream. Their roles are changing, too. Tish asks whether walking beside her through years of pivots and uncertainty prepared Roy for his own calling to pastor. Roy says he has learned that changing course does not mean losing faith or abandoning the goal. Now they can see how the lessons of entrepreneurship, ministry and marriage meet: make a plan, be willing to adjust it and remember that your spouse is a partner, not a spectator. The hardest question comes when a dream is succeeding. Roy asks what good a thriving career does if a spouse or children experience only your absence. Tish shares a boundary she set around evening business events so she could be at home, and recalls how the movie Click challenged her not to fast forward through the people she was working so hard for. They are not saying to give up on ambition. They are asking couples to make sure the dream leaves room for the relationship that matters most. If you are the dreamer, how can you make your dream something your spouse can see and take part in? If you love a dreamer, what question could help you understand instead of merely watching from the sidelines? Listen to Tish and Pastor Roy explore how to keep faith, friendship and shared purpose at the heart of the journey. Share this episode with someone building a dream alongside the person they love, and follow the Making Love Podcast for more honest conversations about growing together. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Married to a Dreamer: How to Build the Vision Together
  3. Sep 17

    Two Love Maps, One Family: Blending Without Breaking

    Blended families do not come with a manual. Sometimes they come with a three year old who gives the game away at bedtime prayer. In this episode of the Making Love Podcast, Tish Times and Pastor Roy Times get personal about raising children in a blended family, starting with the night little Lavelle ended his prayer with "and Lord, thank you for my new daddy." Tish was mortified. Roy did not flinch. And that was pretty much the whole marriage in preview. From there it is the real stuff. Roy admits he was freaking out seventy percent of the time as a brand new parent, and credits the people he could call who talked him through it. Tish confesses he thought she was mean for giving a five year old an iron, but points out that same young man now runs his household, pays his bills, and yes, can press his own pants. Together they tackle the question every couple with kids eventually hits: what happens when two people raised completely differently try to raise children as one? Their answer is equal parts honest and practical. Parents have to get on the same page, which means some of what you planned to do as a parent has to make room for how your spouse was raised. Kids already know exactly what they can get from each parent, so a divided front never stays secret for long. And for anyone stepping into a family that started before them, Tish drops the sentence that changed everything for Roy: there are no barriers, you are their father, get in there and raise these kids. Whether you are blending a family, raising littles, or just trying to co parent without losing your mind, this one will make you laugh and leave you with something to use tonight. The Making Love Podcast with Tish Times and Pastor Roy Times is where love gets real, faith leads the way, and marriage becomes something you actually enjoy. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Two Love Maps, One Family: Blending Without Breaking
  4. Sep 3

    The Real Secret to Keeping A Marriage Sexy For Life

    Can you keep a marriage sexy for life? Absolutely. But here’s the catch: attraction doesn’t necessarily disappear in a long-term relationship. Sometimes, we simply stop feeding it. In this episode of the Making Love Podcast, we’re talking about what it really takes to keep desire, attraction, confidence, romance, and connection alive throughout the seasons of marriage. And we’re starting with one of the biggest attraction killers of all: comparison. It’s easy to look at someone younger, someone who looks different, or someone who seems to have something your spouse doesn’t and start wondering, “What if?” But comparison can rob you of the opportunity to appreciate the person you actually chose. As we say in this episode, you can’t compare apples to apple seeds. Instead of wondering what someone else’s fruit tastes like, learn to appreciate the flavor of the fruit you have. Yes, we went there. And yes, even the Bible has something to say about romance. Solomon is basically the original R&B album. So if you think romance, desire, and intimacy don't belong in a faith centered conversation about marriage, think again. But keeping a marriage sexy isn't just about physical attraction. In fact, one of the biggest revelations in this conversation is that sexy starts with confidence. We get real about body image, self-perception, aging, and the ways we can carry insecurities into our relationships. One of our hosts shares her own journey with struggling to see herself accurately, even when the evidence clearly said otherwise. Sometimes your spouse can tell you you're beautiful a hundred times, but if you don't believe it about yourself, their words can only go so far. Your spouse can encourage your confidence. They can affirm you. They can remind you how they see you. But ultimately, confidence cannot be handed to you by another person. What someone else gives you is validation. True confidence has to come from within. For one of our hosts, that shift happened through a powerful revelation about identity and confidence. She realized that her confidence didn't need to be based on how she looked, how other people perceived her, or whether she measured up to someone else's standard. It was rooted in understanding who she was and who God said she was. And that changed everything. We also take a deeper look at attraction and the role our minds play in maintaining it. When you've been married for years, your spouse isn't suddenly a completely different person. So when attraction begins to fade, it's worth asking a different question: What has changed about the way I'm thinking? Because attraction isn't only about the body. It's about the brain, the heart, the way we perceive our spouse, and the story we tell ourselves about them. Keeping it sexy means continuing to see your spouse, appreciate your spouse, pursue your spouse, and choose your spouse through every season of life. It means accepting that bodies change. Life changes. Age changes. Circumstances change. But that doesn't mean intimacy and attraction have to disappear. You can have sex without having a sexy relationship. A truly intimate marriage requires something deeper: the ability to accept yourself, accept your spouse, and enjoy the person standing in front of you rather than constantly wishing they were someone else. In This Episode • Why attraction doesn't have to disappear in a long-term marriage • The surprising danger of comparing your spouse to other people • Why comparison can destroy appreciation and desire • How to appreciate the "fruit" you already have • What Song of Solomon teaches us about romance and marriage • The connection between confidence and feeling sexy • How body image and self-perception can affect intimacy • Why your spouse can't give you confidence, but can support it • The difference between confidence and validation • How your mindset can influence attraction • Why attraction is about more than physical appearance • How to navigate changing bodies and different seasons of marriage • Why accepting yourself can transform your relationship • How to keep pursuing, appreciating, and choosing your spouse • The difference between having sex and having a truly sexy relationship The Real Secret to Keeping It Sexy The secret isn't trying to make your spouse stay exactly the way they were when you first met. It's learning to see them again and again. It's choosing appreciation over comparison. Confidence over insecurity. Connection over criticism. And curiosity over complacency. Marriage changes because people change. The goal isn't to stop the change. The goal is to keep falling in love with the person you're becoming together. Because keeping it sexy for life isn't about looking 25 forever. It's about continuing to see, desire, appreciate, pursue, and enjoy each other through every season. And that's where the real fun begins. About the Making Love Podcast Making Love Podcast explores what it really takes to build a lasting marriage and meaningful connection. Through honest, sometimes funny, and always real conversations, we talk about love, intimacy, communication, relationships, faith, and the everyday choices that help couples keep making love and connection a priority. Because when love is made, it doesn't just last. It gets better. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    The Real Secret to Keeping A Marriage Sexy For Life
  5. Aug 20

    After Domestic Abuse: Healing, Breaking the Cycle, and Building a Healthy Marriage

    What happens after you leave an abusive relationship? Leaving may be the first step toward freedom, but healing doesn't necessarily end when the relationship does. In this deeply personal episode of The Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy, Tish shares her experience of surviving an abusive marriage and the emotional work required to move forward. Together, they explore how abuse can affect trust, communication, confidence, and future relationships. This isn't only a conversation about leaving. It's about what happens after you leave and realize you still have healing to do. When the Relationship Ends, But the Impact Remains Tish explains that leaving an abusive marriage was only one part of her journey. The fear, emotional wounds, expectations, and relationship patterns she carried afterward didn't simply disappear. She had to confront what the experience had taught her about love, marriage, herself, and what she believed a relationship should look like. Healing required intentionality, self-awareness, and learning that her past did not have to determine her future. The Red Flags We Sometimes Ignore Tish also talks honestly about recognizing warning signs but convincing herself things would eventually change. Maybe marriage would make things better. Maybe having a baby would change things. Maybe changing circumstances would change the person. This conversation isn't about blaming someone for remaining in an abusive relationship. It's about understanding how hope, love, fear, and family expectations can make it difficult to acknowledge what is happening. What Did We Learn About Marriage From Our Families? Tish and Pastor Roy explore another important question: How much of our relationship language comes from what we watched growing up? The way our parents communicated, handled conflict, expressed anger, used silence, or resolved problems can influence our own relationships. Sometimes we carry those patterns into marriage without realizing it. Creating a healthy marriage may require identifying those behaviors and intentionally deciding which patterns need to continue and which need to stop. Abuse Doesn't Only Happen to Women Pastor Roy reminds listeners that domestic violence and abusive relationships can affect men as well. Abuse isn't always easy to recognize, and it doesn't always look the same from one relationship to another. Control, intimidation, manipulation, anger, and unhealthy communication can all be part of dysfunctional relationship patterns. The important thing is recognizing that abuse is serious and that people deserve safety, support, and a path forward. How Do You Help Someone You Love? What do you do when you believe someone you love is in an unhealthy or abusive relationship? Do you speak up? Do you stay out of it? What if they become angry with you? Tish shares from her experience working with organizations focused on family violence and helping people understand that there can be another path. Sometimes the hardest conversation is the one someone desperately needs to hear. Healing Enough to Love Again Perhaps the heart of this episode is what happens when someone who has experienced abuse chooses to love again. How do you learn to trust? How do you communicate without assuming the worst? How do you recognize when your past is affecting your present? And how do two imperfect people build a healthy marriage when they both bring their own experiences into the relationship? Tish and Pastor Roy talk honestly about grace, communication, healing, and the intentional work required to create a healthier relationship. Because a healthy marriage isn't simply something you find. It's something you build together. In This Episode Surviving an abusive marriageHealing after domestic violenceEmotional effects of abuseRecognizing relationship red flagsWhy people sometimes ignore warning signsDomestic violence and unhealthy relationshipsHow family history influences marriageBreaking unhealthy relationship patternsRebuilding trust after abuseMarriage communicationHelping someone in an abusive relationshipCreating a healthy marriage after abuseFaith, grace, and healingLearning to love againJoin the Conversation Have you ever realized that something you learned about relationships growing up was affecting your own relationship? Maybe it was the way you handled conflict. Maybe it was anger, silence, fear, or believing that love meant simply staying no matter what. Tell us in the comments. Your story or perspective may help someone else recognize a pattern they haven't been able to put into words. About The Making Love Podcast The Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy is where love gets real, faith leads the way, and marriage becomes something you can actually enjoy. Through honest conversations about marriage, communication, intimacy, faith, friendship, conflict, and connection, Tish and Pastor Roy explore what it takes to build a relationship that lasts. Because when love is made, it doesn't just last. It gets better every day. domestic violence, surviving abuse, abusive marriage, healing from abuse, emotional abuse, domestic abuse recovery, healthy marriage, marriage after abuse, rebuilding trust, relationship red flags, toxic relationships, marriage communication, healthy relationships, Christian marriage, faith and marriage, overcoming abuse, relationship healing, breaking unhealthy relationship patterns, The Making Love Podcast, Tish and Pastor Roy #MakingLovePodcast #SurvivingAbuse #HealingFromAbuse #HealthyMarriage #MarriageAfterAbuse #DomesticViolenceAwareness #RelationshipHealing #EmotionalAbuse #HealthyRelationships #ChristianMarriage #MarriageCommunication #FaithAndMarriage Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    After Domestic Abuse: Healing, Breaking the Cycle, and Building a Healthy Marriage
  6. Aug 6

    Part 2 Developing Your Marital Language, Marriage Communication That Actually Works Faith Filled and Real

    Welcome back to Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy where love gets real, faith leads the way, and marriage becomes something you actually enjoy (yes… even during the hard conversations). And today? We are diving into something that will either make you laugh, pause, or gently nudge your elbow like… “Hey… we should probably talk about this.” Marital Language. Because let’s be honest, Sometimes it’s not what you said… …it’s exactly how you said it. The Big Idea (That Changes Everything) You don’t just have a relationship… You are building a language together. In Part 2, Tish and Pastor Roy unpack: Why serving your spouse is not weakness it is wisdomHow the way you communicate can either heal or hurtWhy your marriage needs its own language not your parents’ versionAnd how intentional communication builds deeper connectionBecause if you don’t learn how to love your spouse their way… You might be speaking… and they’re still not hearing you. Let’s Talk About “That One Phrase…” You know the one. The thing you said that sounded totally normal to you… …but somehow turned into a full situation  Yeah… this episode goes there. Tish and Pastor Roy share how many of our reactions come from: What we saw growing up What we heard repeatedly What we thought was normal But here’s the truth: Just because you learned it… doesn’t mean it works. Unlearning Is Part of Loving One of the most powerful takeaways: Don’t use my language… use my process. In other words: Don’t copy someone else’s marriageDon’t repeat what didn’t workDon’t assume your spouse “should understand”Instead: Learn your spouse Study what speaks to them Build something that actually works for your relationship The Silence We Don’t Talk About Here’s where it gets real… Silence in marriage can mean two completely different things: In immature relationships → silence feels like tension In healthy, growing marriages → silence feels like peace That shift? That’s growth. That’s trust. That’s connection. Awwww… yeah, that one hits. Love Languages… But Make It Real Life This episode also touches on something we all overlook: Touch is communication. Presence is communication. Even sitting in the same room counts. It is not always about big gestures, Sometimes it is: Sitting together while watching different showsA simple touch on the armChoosing connection in small, everyday momentsAnd honestly… that is where real love lives. Faith-filled without feeling heavyHonest without being harshPractical without being boringmarriage communication, Christian marriage podcast, marital language, relationship advice Christian, healthy marriage tips, communication in marriage, love languages explained, faith based relationships, marriage growth podcast, Tish and Pastor Roy, Making Love Podcast, relationship communication tips, how to improve marriage communication, couples communication skills Final Thought Marriage is not about getting it perfect. It is about learning, growing, laughing, and sometimes saying: “Hey… that didn’t come out right. Let me try again.” Because when love is built intentionally— it does not just last… It gets better every day. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Part 2 Developing Your Marital Language, Marriage Communication That Actually Works Faith Filled and Real
  7. Jul 30

    When Conflict Hits How Strong Couples Fight Together, Not Against Each Other

    Time to put down your differences for this powerful and deeply transparent episode of the Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy, the conversation explores a truth that can completely transform any marriage, learning how to fight together instead of against each other. Conflict is inevitable. Life brings pressure, mistakes, setbacks, and unexpected challenges. The real question is not whether couples will face conflict, but how they choose to respond when it comes. This episode invites you to shift your perspective from blame and division to unity and strategy. Through raw storytelling and real life experiences, Tish and Pastor Roy open up about one of the most difficult seasons in their marriage, a time marked by financial loss, broken communication, and emotional distance. What could have torn them apart instead became the foundation for a deeper understanding of partnership, accountability, and trust. They challenge listeners to consider a new approach. What if, in moments of frustration, instead of pointing fingers, you paused and recognized that the real problem is not your spouse, but the situation standing in front of both of you. What if you chose to stand side by side and face it together. This episode highlights the importance of communication, vulnerability, and letting go of fear based decisions that create distance. It reminds couples that unity is not automatic, it is intentional. Fighting together means protecting the relationship, even in the middle of pain. If you have ever felt misunderstood, overwhelmed, or on the verge of giving up during hard seasons, this conversation will encourage you to rethink conflict and rediscover the strength that comes from standing together. Because the strongest marriages are not the ones without struggles, they are the ones that refuse to let those struggles come between them. #marriage conflict resolution, how to fight fair in marriage, relationship communication, couples conflict advice, healthy marriage habits, overcoming relationship struggles, marriage podcast, building strong relationships, emotional connection in marriage, teamwork in marriage. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    When Conflict Hits How Strong Couples Fight Together, Not Against Each Other
  8. Jul 23

    Investing in Your Marriage Why Time and Shared Experiences Matter Most

    Because when love is invested, it does not just last, it gets better every day. In this fun episode of the Making Love Podcast with Tish and Pastor Roy, the conversation turns to one of the most overlooked keys to a thriving relationship, intentional investment in your marriage. While many people pour time, energy, and money into building careers or businesses, this episode gently challenges couples to consider how much they are truly investing in their most important partnership. Through honest reflection and personal stories, Tish and Pastor Roy explore how real connection is built not through material gifts, but through shared experiences, meaningful time together, and a willingness to grow side by side. From trying new foods and traveling together to creating special moments even during financially tight seasons, they remind listeners that investment does not have to be expensive to be powerful. Some of the most meaningful memories come from simple, intentional choices to prioritize one another. This episode also highlights the importance of continuing to date your spouse, embracing new experiences together, and staying curious about who your partner is becoming. Marriage is not static, it is a journey of discovery, and the more you invest, the greater the return. With warmth, humor, and real life insight, this conversation will inspire you to rethink how you spend your time, deepen your connection, and build a marriage that continues to grow stronger every day. #investing in your marriage, marriage advice, relationship growth, dating your spouse, marriage podcast, healthy relationships, couples connection, building intimacy, long term relationships, intentional marriage. Tish and Pastor Roy Times have been making love and making it last for more than three decades. They met at Joy Center in El Paso, Texas, dated for two whirlwind weeks, got engaged, and married four months later. Thirty-plus years, three grown sons, and two-and-a-half grand-babies, they're still each other's favorite people. Roy serves as the local pastor of Joy Center Phoenix, shepherding his community with the same steadiness he brought to a 13-year career as a government contractor and many years in sales and technology.  Tish is an ordained minister of nearly 20 years and the CEO of Tish Times Sales Agency, where she helps high-achieving women build companies that scale beyond them. Together they bring the head and the heart strategy and Scripture, candor and compassion to every conversation. On the Making Love Podcast, Tish and Roy pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build a marriage rooted in friendship, faith, and purpose. They're not interested in the filtered, picture-perfect version. They're here for the real thing the laughter, the growth, the hard conversations, and the practical, faith-filled tools that help love get better every day. They live in Phoenix, Arizona, where you'll most likely find them loving Jesus, chasing good coffee, and out on a hiking trail together. www.themakinglovepodcast.com

    Investing in Your Marriage Why Time and Shared Experiences Matter Most

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Married in 4 months. 30 years later… still obsessed with each other. Yeah—we’ve got some things to say.  Welcome to The Making Love Podcast. What if marriage wasn’t something you just maintained… But something you intentionally built, protected, and genuinely enjoyed? We combine biblical truth with real-life, practical wisdom to help you create a marriage that’s:  Strong in faith  Deeply connected  And actually fun We talk about the real stuff:  How to keep communication open (even when it’s hard)  How to avoid emotional shutdown  Understanding your spouse’s “marriage language”  Navigating entrepreneur + non-entrepreneur dynamics  And building a love that keeps growing—not fading We’re pastors, parents of 3 grown sons, and grandparents… but at the end of the day, we’re still choosing each other—and still having fun doing it. This isn’t about perfection. It’s about building a marriage that lasts—and feels alive along the way.