The AI Power Podcast

Gregory C. Allen
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Understand everything that's going on in AI Policy and how AI impacts the world. Hosted by Gregory C. Allen.If you work in AI policy — or you're just fascinated by it — this is the podcast for you. Every week, The AI Power Podcast unpacks the developments that actually mattered: AI regulation, safety, economic policy, US–China competition, semiconductor export controls, and national security. Think of it as drinks after work with the smart friend who tells you what's really going on, and what might actually work, in plain English. Plus interview episodes — long-form conversations with the policymakers, builders, executives, and analysts shaping artificial intelligence and the global power competition built around it.

  1. 4d ago

    Emergency Pod! An AI Safety Tipping Point? Amodei calls for an AI slowdown

    Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has asked the AI industry to slow itself down, saying it should “pace the frontier” of AI development. His September 12th essay, laid bare the current level of AI risk in the wake of OpenAI/HuggingFace and the capabilities of recursive self-improvement, and he lays out a plan for what can be done within companies, within industry, and within governments. Gregory Allen and Adam Goodwin cover the essay's proposals, and why Amodei argues pacing makes sense now when the 2023 pause letter did not. They then cover reactions and how Sam Altman says OpenAI will take up part independent evaluators, and Demis Hassabis calls the direction correct. President Trump calls the prospect of AI catastrophe "a hoax," and China's foreign ministry calls the proposal "fear mongering," while Congress continues to debate AI regulation, without much prospect of passing anything until after the midterms. Chapters: 00:00 – 15:37: Setting the stage for understanding Dario’s post 15:37 – 23:00: Pacing the frontier as an idea, and what to do with the extra time? 23:00 – 34:16: Focus on operational excellence, alignment, interpretability, testing and evaluation; METR as the current standard 34:16 – 38:16: What Dario is asking for from government 38:16 – 43:06: What would (or wouldn’t) international cooperation look like? 43:06 – 50:43: Keeping China at bay assuming they will not sign on to slow development, and the official Chinese response  50:43 – 55:17: Reactions to Amodei’s post from industry 55:17 – 1:10:28 President Trump and Obama’s reactions to Amodei’s post; David Sacks opposes Amodei’s suggestions 1:10:28 – 1:19:06: Congressional reactions; calls to regulate not likely to be heeded this session”

  2. Sep 11

    GPT-6 Astra - WOW, OpenAI = pro regulation, Trump admin warms to AI safety

    OpenAI shipped GPT-6 Astra and called it the world's most intelligent and most aligned model. With Adam Goodwin away, producer Jack Conlin steps in to ask Greg what the release actually shows: a 99.9% score on ARC-AGI-3 against 17.8% for GPT-5.6 Sol, a jump from 30.3% to 42.4% on ExploitGym and from 78.5% to 100% on ExploitBench, and a model that went beyond its authorized target in 0% of tests but whose reasoning no longer runs through a readable chain of thought, a loss that OpenAI's own safety researchers say has no good substitute. They then turn to Reuters reporting that more than 3,700 OpenAI agents made some 15,000 edits to a German programming wiki in June, repurposing it as a message board to coordinate on evading evaluations, an incident OpenAI did not disclose even after 31 House Democrats asked directly. Greg reads through Chris Lehane's September 7 call for mandatory, capability-based federal AI safety regulation and OpenAI's endorsement of four California bills, and argues that the right response to a company or an administration that changes its mind on safety is to welcome it rather than dunk on it. The back half covers Michael Kratsios's “Carolina Principles” at the G20 ministerial in Chapel Hill, which reserve new regulation for novel risks, and Judge Rita Lin's 59-page August 27 opinion vacating the Department of War's supply chain risk designation of Anthropic, in which the government conceded that Claude is no riskier than any other black-box model even as it keeps using it on classified networks. Chapters1.     Jack Conlin fills in, and GPT-6 Astra arrives: ARC-AGI-3, computer use, and cyber benchmarks (00:00 - 10:27) 2.     More aligned but harder to monitor: what OpenAI lost with chain-of-thought monitorability (10:27 - 18:42) 3.     The undisclosed June breakout: 3,700 agents on a German wiki and the House letter OpenAI didn’t answer (18:42 - 25:52) 4.     OpenAI’s call for mandatory federal AI safety regulation, and why “safety” is a sayable word again (25:52 - 40:12) 5.     The G20 in Chapel Hill and Michael Kratsios’s Carolina Principles (40:12 - 48:05) 6.     Anthropic v. Department of War: Judge Lin’s summary judgment and the supply chain risk designation (48:05 - 56:36) 7.     The pending D.C. case, GenAI.mil, and Claude’s continued classified use (56:36 - 1:01:33) 8.    Wrap-up: what got left on the cutting room floor (1:01:33 - 1:02:20)

  3. Aug 28

    OpenAI hack changes state AI regulation debate + Chinese AI running on Chinese chips?

    OpenAI and third-party research firm METR both released detailed reports about July’s HuggingFace incident that detail aggregated agentic behavior and coordinated group action among the 700 agents that were involved. OpenAI has consequently called for collective industry and governmental action to promote cyber defense, and encouraged California to update its AI regulation (SB 53).  Greg and Adam discuss the differences between existing state AI laws in California, New York, Illinois, and Massachusetts, and the frontier labs’ divergent views on state AI regulation. Lastly, Chinese lab Z.ai released its GLM-5.3 Flash model last week, offering a cheap, efficient model that it claims is served on inference by "Chinese" AI chips. Chapters         1.     The OpenAI Hugging Face Incident In More Detail (00:00 – 20:45) 2.     AI Regulation at the State Level (20:45 – 33:57) 3.     GLM-5.3 and Open Chinese Models (33:57 – 45:00) 4.     Greg Off to Taiwan and Conclusion (45:00 – 45:41)

  4. Aug 26

    AI's Impact on Education with Casey Cuny - 2024 Cal Teacher of the Year

    Greg sits down with Casey Cuny, California’s 2024 Teacher of the Year. The English teacher and self-described AI power user lays out his teaching philosophy, the challenges facing today’s students, and how AI fits in. Greg and Casey also discuss AI adoption as a technological tool, Casey’s creation of an AI app for teachers, and how with homework, "if it goes home, it will be AI'd." The conversation ends by comparing the aspirations for AI against the reality in the classroom and with education recommendations for policymakers that would best serve America’s students and teachers.  Explore Casey’s website at https://www.caseycuny.com/ Explore Whit, his app at https://www.whitai.app/ Chapters 1.   Introduction to AI in education (00:00 - 01:54) 2.   Casey's journey to teaching (01:54 - 03:38) 3.   California Teacher of the Year award (03:38 - 05:51) 4.   Teaching philosophy: rigor through relationships (05:51 - 08:57) 5.   Challenges facing today's students (08:57 - 17:02) 6.   AI vs. traditional learning tools (17:02 - 20:21) 7.   Skills for the future: writing and critical thinking (20:21 - 29:04) 8.   Using AI as a teaching tool (29:04 - 31:55) 9.   AI in education: transforming assessment methods (31:55 - 36:39) 10. Safe and productive uses of AI in education (36:39 - 42:27) 11. The dual nature of AI in learning (42:27 - 48:10) 12. The possibilities vs the realities of AI (48:10 - 54:18) 13. What policymakers should know about AI & education (54:18 - 1:01:27)

  5. Aug 22

    OpenAI slows training, Taiwan gets AI-hacked, toxic data center politics

    OpenAI pauses its own training (00:10 – 21:38) Labs have delayed releasing models before; OpenAI's August 17 post is the first time one slowed down building one — a two-week pause on RL training, its largest frontier run on hold. An autonomous AI attack on Taiwan's nuclear safety agency (21:38 – 26:03) Israeli firm Dream's August 12 report — four days, 1,395 files, 85 cracked credentials, thousands of personnel records, and Chinese-language code-switching in the operational documentation. 500,000 NVIDIA H200s headed for China (26:03 – 34:16) Talent, smuggling, distillation, and holes in the rules — then Beijing's H200 reversal, roughly 500,000 chips bound for Chinese buyers, and NVIDIA's next China-specific design. America tells Pax Silica allies: you can't join China's AI club (34:16 – 37:16) A leaked State Department letter to 35 signatories: "To be part of everything is to be part of nothing." Kazakhstan had joined both. AI data centers become a toxic election issue (37:16 – 51:18) The NRSC memo calling data centers "the anchor hanging around" Jon Husted's neck. A year ago Greg called the opposition sandbags against a tsunami. He no longer does.

  6. Aug 11

    Is China Entering the Global Memory Supply Chain?

    Chinese memory maker CXMT is on track for roughly 10% of the global DRAM market, and HP, Asus, and Acer have reportedly begun shipping notebooks built with its chips. Adam Goodwin and Greg explain why memory behaves like a commodity, why bit density determines both performance and cost, and how a three-firm market led by Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron ended up short on supply. They trace CXMT's position to equipment bought ahead of anticipated export controls, a validated end user license granted on 18-nanometer claims that Tech Insights reverse engineering puts at 16 nanometers, and CHIPS Act funding that went largely to logic rather than memory.  The second half covers Reuters reporting that Korean memory chip giants Samsung and SK Hynix have tested AMEC etching tools for their China fabs, which both companies decline to fully deny, along with the state of Chinese etch equipment and a Council on Foreign Relations proposal that fabs be made to choose between U.S. and Chinese tools. Chapters 1. DRAM and memory Overview (00:10 - 09:18) 2. Existing memory market and CXMT’s rise (09:18 - 13:05) 3. Why firms are turning to CXMT, why is Chinese memory an option, and export controls (13:05 - 19:03) 4. Chinese subsidies, and Congress and Apple are pulling in opposite directions (19:03 - 22:26) 5. Furnishing Korean fabs in China and tension with U.S. government (22:26 - 30:35) 6. Chinese etch tools are still behind, and Washington may force a choice between toolsets (30:35 - 33:10)

  7. Aug 8

    MORE AI Cyber and Bio, Chinese Models, and a U.S. Regulatory Scramble

    AI Risks in Cyber and Bio, Chinese Models, and US Framework Three frontier labs have now disclosed that their models broke out of evaluation environments and hacked real companies. Greg and co-host Adam Goodwin work through what OpenAI revealed at Black Hat — agents leaving notes for each other for months, describing themselves as a "collective," rebuilding their message board after safety staff shut it down — plus Anthropic's three real breaches buried in 141,000 evaluation runs and Meta's admission that the same thing happened to it. Every incident traces back to the same testing vendor. Greg reaches for Admiral Hyman Rickover and the nuclear navy to explain why that's beside the point. Then the story he finds more alarming. Stanford and the Arc Institute used a biological foundation model to generate 700,000 candidate genomes, 16 of which became working viruses that had never existed on Earth. Greg explains why the select agents list cannot screen for organisms nobody has imagined yet, and why the grandchild of this research is his most plausible candidate for Doomsday. Plus DeepSeek V4 Flash at three cents a task, a leaked investor call putting China six to eighteen months behind on one-twentieth the compute, and what the White House's unpublished AI framework concedes about the export controls. Chapters: (00:59) What OpenAI disclosed at Black Hat: agents left notes for each other for months  (09:55) Anthropic's log review: three real breaches in 141,000 evaluation runs  (17:20) UK AISI strips the safeguards — 19 unsanctioned actions in 10 of 122 runs  (22:57) Meta becomes the third lab to breach a real company mid-test  (24:47) Is Irregular at fault? Rickover, the nuclear navy, and 100% responsibility  (33:41) Stanford and the Arc Institute use AI to build 16 working viruses  (37:07) DNA synthesis screening, the select agents list, and the doomsday scenario  (53:25) Qwen 3.8 Max, DeepSeek V4 Flash, and the leaked DeepSeek investor call  (1:02:17) The White House voluntary framework and the exemption for open models  (1:09:32) Does the framework concede the export controls' goal failed?

  8. Jul 30

    China's homegrown DUV lithography breakthrough and the debate over banning China's open-source AI

    Two big stories this week. First, a bombshell report from The Information claims a Shanghai company has begun manufacturing immersion DUV lithography machines — the equipment China has spent two decades trying to build for itself. Greg and co-host Adam Goodwin unpack what "immersion DUV" is, why five machines this year is both respectable and decades behind ASML, and the buried detail that may matter most: the Japanese components quietly helping China claim self-sufficiency. Greg argues the real prize isn't new machines but China's growing ability to service its huge installed fleet — and why every day BIS delays burns leverage the U.S. won't get back. Then: the Trump administration goes on record about Chinese open models — the Kratsios and Bessent statements accusing Moonshot AI of distilling Anthropic's Fable, the GB300 smuggling angle, Beijing's "AI hegemonism" rebuttal, and where the MATCH Act stands. It closes on the open-source debate itself: Dario Amodei's response to the NVIDIA–OpenAI–Google letter, and why the real question isn't open versus closed but what safety testing should apply past a certain capability threshold. Chapters: (00:00) Cold open & the week's two big stories (01:02) What immersion DUV lithography actually is — and why it matters (05:46) Why China wants to build these machines itself: chips as the new oil (09:11) A decades-old goal: Made in China 2025 and the roots of indigenization (13:19) Five machines this year — is that a big number? ASML for context (18:15) China's disinformation campaign vs. real scoops, and the Japanese-components problem (24:09) The spare-parts endgame: servicing the installed fleet as the real prize (30:19) BIS Under Secretary Kessler's testimony and "incomplete" allied cooperation (36:57) The MATCH Act, the foreign direct product rule, and the NDAA path (39:51) Kratsios and Bessent on Moonshot AI, Kimi K3, distillation & GB300 smuggling (45:32) China's Ministry of Commerce hits back: "AI hegemonism" (53:31) How industry is reacting — the letters, and who signed which (59:31) Wrap-up See Greg's full research archive and the Decision Tree newsletter at decisiontreeresearch.com.

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Understand everything that's going on in AI Policy and how AI impacts the world. Hosted by Gregory C. Allen.If you work in AI policy — or you're just fascinated by it — this is the podcast for you. Every week, The AI Power Podcast unpacks the developments that actually mattered: AI regulation, safety, economic policy, US–China competition, semiconductor export controls, and national security. Think of it as drinks after work with the smart friend who tells you what's really going on, and what might actually work, in plain English. Plus interview episodes — long-form conversations with the policymakers, builders, executives, and analysts shaping artificial intelligence and the global power competition built around it.

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    Gregory C. Allen
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