InsurePodcast

Ben Shaw

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InsurePodcast is Ben Shaw’s interview podcast about the people changing how insurance work gets done. Season 1 went inside independent insurance agencies. Season 2, Post-SaaS Insurtech, examines how AI is changing what insurance technology companies deliver, how they price it, and what customers can build on their platforms.

Oct 13

InsurTech & SaaS #1: Chris Longano

The conversation explores the evolving landscape of SaaS in the insurtech space, focusing on the impact of AI, the shift towards outcome-based selling, and the changing needs of customers. Chris Longano shares insights from his experiences at various companies, including Rhoads and Noldor, highlighting the importance of adaptability and strategic partnerships in the industry. Takeaways AI is reshaping SaaS dynamicsOutcome-based selling is crucial Chapters 00:00 The Evolution of SaaS in Insurtech03:01 Headless SaaS and AI Integration06:00 The Role of Professional Services in AI09:05 Noldor's Approach to Reporting and AI11:48 Outcome-Based Selling in SaaS14:57 Rhoads: A Case Study in Insurtech18:12 Changing Customer Needs in Compliance20:56 The Future of Business Models in Insurtech24:05 Partnerships and OEM Strategies in SaaS
Jun 15

InsurePodcast #11: Eli Diamond

From a workers' compensation adjuster internship in college to building a commercial insurance book at one of the largest brokerages in the world, Eli Diamond has taken a somewhat unconventional path into insurance. Raised in Syracuse, New York, Eli began his career at The Hartford before moving to the agency side, where he discovered he preferred representing business owners rather than carriers. Today he works as a commercial producer at Gallagher following the acquisition of Tompkins Insurance, where he spent the first years of his brokerage career. In this conversation, Eli walks through what life actually looks like for a young producer building a book from scratch. We discuss prospecting, networking, cold calling, and the challenge of earning trust in an industry where many business owners have worked with the same broker for decades. He explains why he views the role as fundamentally consultative rather than sales-driven, and why relationships continue to matter more than almost anything else in commercial insurance. We also spend time on the mechanics of placing business. Eli explains how producers, account managers, marketing teams, wholesalers, and underwriters interact behind the scenes, how carrier appetites actually work in practice, and why certain classes—particularly construction and roofing risks in New York—can be difficult to place. Along the way we discuss cyber insurance, the current market environment, carrier relationships, and the role AI may eventually play in prospecting and account research. Finally, Eli reflects on what has surprised him most during his first few years as a producer, why so many people leave the profession early, and what keeps him motivated despite hearing “no” every day. It’s a candid conversation about persistence, specialization, relationship-building, and what it takes to succeed as a commercial insurance broker in today’s market. Show notes and transcript
Jun 1

InsurePodcast #10: Brian Mahon

Brian Mahon spent a decade inside startups and top-100 firms before launching Igloo Insurance in June 2025. One year in, he joins Ben to talk about what it actually takes to build an independent agency from scratch — and where the work still feels broken. We get into his multi-line book (roughly 60% commercial, 39% personal, the rest life), his cyber-liability niche, and the omnichannel hustle behind finding clients: Erie's brand pull, chambers and referral groups, cold calling done right, and direct mail. Brian walks through a real homeowner's quote from first phone call to bind, explains why personal lines collects more data than commercial, and maps the carrier-appointment maze that nobody hands you a guide for. The back half is about where AI can help an agency: prospect research, policy comparisons and underwriting narratives. Brian compares AI findings with human review and explains why quoting remains difficult to automate across carrier systems, report costs, coverage decisions and binding workflows. A candid, practical look at year one of agency ownership in South Central Pennsylvania. Show notes and transcript
May 23

InsurePodcast #9: Kristyn Ruth with Skye Saleh

Kristyn Ruth runs Think Pink Insurance out of Texas. She started in insurance the way few people do: she'd been selling cars for eighteen years, opened a dealership in 2018, and didn't want to keep referring her finance customers out to other agents — so she got licensed and started writing the policies herself. Eight years later she runs a multi-line operation with seventy-seven agents across forty-plus states, spanning P&C, life, annuities, and group benefits. Her business partner is Skye Saleh, who came from a counseling, medical-administration, and chief people officer background. They met as client and agent, became friends, and formed a separate group benefits agency together in 2024 — Skye bringing the inside-the-HR-department perspective that most benefits brokers don't have. This is the first episode of the show focused on group benefits, and a useful contrast to the personal lines and small commercial conversations that have come before. Skye walks through what a typical day looks like for a benefits broker — getting census data, working through the general agency, the back-and-forth on pricing when the employer hits sticker shock. Kristyn explains the recruiting-led structure of her P&C side: how she finds independent agents through Alignable, how Go High Level holds the agency together, and how she runs the carrier panel across forty states while still picking up three new appointments in a single week. The conversation goes in a different direction from most episodes. Less time on the placement workflow, more time on what Kristyn calls mindset — the part of running an agency that most operators underestimate. We talk about the servicing burden that surprises new agents, the chargeback problem that comes with selling something a customer can't afford long-term, and Kristyn's unusual recruiting philosophy: she'll plug agents into training and back-office support, but she has no patience for producers who won't figure things out themselves. Skye offers the counterweight, framing the same work through the lens of pouring into people and growing the mindset before chasing the close. Show notes and transcript: https://insurepodcast.com/episodes/season-1/group-benefits-multi-state-agency-kristyn-ruth-skye-saleh Kristyn: LinkedIn · Skye: LinkedIn
May 22

InsurePodcast #8: Doug Wenz

Doug Wenz is Vice President at Associated Insurance Services in Plainville, Connecticut. He's been licensed since 2017 and has spent fifteen years in sales — the kind of producer whose LinkedIn tagline reads "Challenging Insurance Industry Norms" and who means it. He got into insurance the way few people do: lightning struck his car overnight, GEICO fought him on the claim, and after he won the fight (and almost didn't get handed the check at the office), he told the story at a BNI meeting where a producer at BearingStar Insurance recruited him on the spot. In the eight years since, Doug has built something unusual. After spending five years at his previous firm running personal lines and learning commercial the hard way, he pivoted to a business model that runs almost entirely on referrals from other producers. A producer at another agency who can't write a New York Labor Law contractor account — or any other hard commercial risk — calls Doug. He swims in the contractor space, lives comfortably in surplus lines, and works closely with R-T Specialty, CRC, and RPS. We get into his typical day (meditation at 5:30, no meetings before 11), the carrier panel he runs across The Hartford, Travelers, Chubb, and Acadia, and why the marketing reps make or break a carrier relationship. We talk through the workflow texture. The data-gathering problem that no startup has solved despite many trying. The supplementals and loss runs that are his biggest pet peeve — including a sharp take on The Hartford's new system that sends a link to the insured rather than sending loss runs directly. Why the commission economics of personal lines make it nearly impossible to serve a $1,000 home policy well, and how that compound problem is breaking the industry. Where he sees AI fitting in — eliminating the marketing person on the front end so the producer can do the work with the client directly — and a sharp warning about hallucinations after a viral LinkedIn post where someone showed an AI fabricating an entire second life insurance quote and nobody in the comments noticed. His through-line is education. Doug wants to train the next generation of producers — not because he's nostalgic, but because the system is broken in ways the corporate structure can't fix. He keeps coming back to a single point throughout the conversation: most insureds don't know what they don't know, and that asymmetry is the industry's deepest problem. Show notes and transcript: https://insurepodcast.com/episodes/season-1/contractor-insurance-surplus-lines-doug-wenz Doug and Associated Insurance Services: LinkedIn
May 22

InsurePodcast #7: Brandy Henriquez with Tom Polowy

Note: this episode recording got interrupted, so there's a sharp cut halfway through. Brandy Henriquez and W. Tom Polowy run Insure Connecticut, an independent brokerage based in West Hartford and licensed in seventeen Eastern states. Brandy came to insurance from twenty years in radio and entertainment production. After looking at real estate and insurance as his next chapter, he landed at a State Farm captive in May 2022, ran it for two and a half years, and left when the captive model stopped letting him serve his customers the way he wanted to. Tom started his own agency during what he calls "the P&C apocalypse" of COVID — a period when carriers were closed to new appointments and there was almost nothing to write. The two of them partnered in 2024: Brandy oversees personal and commercial insurance, Tom focuses on wealth management, and together they run a content studio with podcast rooms on the side. In this conversation we get into how Insure Connecticut operates differently from most independent brokerages. Brandy walks through the AI workflow they've built around Cara — feeding carrier appetites into an AI tool that helps them figure out who to quote a hard Connecticut property with before they ever pick up the phone. We talk about their carrier panel — about twenty for home, twelve for auto, plus wholesale through Burns & Wilcox and others — and their internal "Alan," the guy on the phone with underwriters who solves whatever Cara can't. We get into the workflow texture: SOPs by line of business, dec page and ACORD form intake, and the limits of every AMS and rater on the market. Tom is sharper than most agency owners on marketing strategy. He talks about why most agencies aren't actually running businesses — they're just existing, buying leads, doing what they've always done. Insure Connecticut runs eighty to a hundred leads a month, almost entirely through SEO, with referral partnerships from real estate and mortgage professionals layered on top. We get into what he's learning about AI engine optimization — including a regular stream of referrals from ChatGPT and Claude that he didn't believe when it first started happening — and his honest take on why no startup has solved the agency workflow problem yet despite many trying. Brandy closes with a reminder that gets lost in the scaling race: a lead is a person with a problem. Show notes and transcript: https://insurepodcast.com/episodes/season-1/insurance-agency-seo-ai-brandy-henriquez-tom-polowy Brandy, Tom, and Insure Connecticut: myinsurect.com
May 22

InsurePodcast #6: Sydney Troski

Sydney Troski has been licensed in life and health insurance since 2023. Based in Boiling Springs, South Carolina, she works as an independent life insurance agent under an IMO, focusing on whole life, term life, and mortgage protection for families and individuals. She is one of the younger agents on the show and one of the few who came in without a long runway of capital — which means everything she's learned, she's learned by doing it wrong first and then doing it again. Sydney has switched IMOs five or six times by her own count. Each move taught her something: what a recruiting-first model actually looks like from the inside, how compensation structures get designed to benefit the upline rather than the producer, and why some carriers have a reputation for not paying claims. She now works with a company whose CEO built a proprietary quoting tool that matches clients to the most likely approval at the best rate — something she says she wished existed from day one. In this conversation we get into what the daily grind actually looks like for an agent who is still building. The morning dial sessions — sometimes a hundred calls, sometimes five hundred — and the mental reset she has to take in between. The lead buying math: why it works, why it fails, and why recycled leads are a gamble every time. The organic marketing she does through Facebook groups and why the timing problem makes it mostly a long shot. We also get into the moment a former client called to warn her that someone from her first company was trying to flip her policies — and what that says about the parts of this industry that nobody talks about in the recruiting pitch. Sydney is honest about where she is, what she got wrong early, and what she thinks it actually takes to get to $15,000 to $20,000 a month on your own pen. Show notes and transcript: https://insurepodcast.com/episodes/season-1/life-insurance-leads-imo-lessons-sydney-troski Sydney Troski: LinkedIn
May 18

InsurePodcast #5: Jason Ferraro

Jason Ferraro has spent sixteen years in life insurance and thirty-five years in sales. Based in Orlando, Florida, he manages new hires for a life and annuity IMO and runs Gator Mouth Sales — an AI sales assistant for agents transitioning from final expense and mortgage protection into the annuity arena. He's the only guest on the show so far who works the life side rather than P&C, and that contrast is the point. Jason came up the hard way. He started a window cleaning business at 21 that grew to six trucks, then ran personal training studios that he marketed into health clubs, then became a celebrity trainer. A car accident took him out of fitness, and he found life insurance through a Craigslist ad in 2009 promising $250,000 a year. His first practice company, in his words, felt like Wolf of Wall Street — nice suits, fancy cars, a leaderboard. It took him years to figure out which parts were real and which parts were the MLM machinery dressed up as opportunity. He sold 2,800 policies along the way. In this conversation we get into how the life and annuity world actually works. The Bob Verblow method for sizing premiums to a client's household income instead of just laying three options on the table. The hard lesson on indexed universal life — why he had to go back and rewrite a five-year stretch of policies once he understood cost of insurance properly. The pivot to indexed annuities and the Florida retiree demographics (Wildwood, Ocala, The Villages) that made the strategy work. Why he's now a convert back to selling whole life for the override economics, and why he tells new agents that final expense is where to start. We also get into the tools — Best Plan Pro, FX Quotes, the AI coaching platform he's building at Gator Mouth Sales — and his honest take on what new agents get bamboozled by when they walk into the wrong practice company. Show notes and transcript: https://insurepodcast.com/episodes/season-1/life-insurance-annuities-imo-pitfalls-jason-ferraro Jason and Gator Mouth Sales: gatormouthsales.com · 352-255-2594
May 16

InsurePodcast #4: Steven Wiatrek

Steven Wiatrek is a sixteen-year veteran of the insurance industry who spent most of his career building a $4.5 million book at a captive carrier in South Texas before being let go on Christmas Eve, 2024. He started over from zero in January 2025 as a branch owner with City Centre Insurance Agency — a distribution firm with sixty-five branches that operates as a single licensed entity, giving its agents access to over sixty P&C carriers and two hundred life and health markets without the captive quotas. From a town of two thousand people an hour and ten minutes from San Antonio, he's grown to over two hundred clients in the past year, almost entirely face-to-face. In this conversation we get into the texture of how a real face-to-face producer actually builds a book. Steven walks through "the pickle method" — his half-joking, fully serious technique for turning a grocery store aisle into a prospecting opportunity — and why he always hands out three business cards instead of one. We talk about his exclusive relationships with Remax loan officers and car salesmen (one card with the $25 gift card cap, one with his personal cell), and why he'll leave a family dinner to write a quote when a referral partner calls. We also get into the work itself. The EZLynx workflow and why he never trusts the rater's first number. The motor vehicle report as a gate against tire-kickers. The carrier panel he's built across Safeco, SageSure, Assurance America, and the legacy markets, calibrated by region across Texas. Why he won't write a house with a hole in the floor or one with a dog on a bent chain — and the time he was bitten on a home inspection. His review process, which he carried over from his captive days and turned into a 70–80% life insurance close rate. And his bigger thesis: that in the next ten years, having a human independent agent will be a luxury flex, and the agents who win will be the ones who use AI to deepen face-to-face service rather than replace it. Steven and City Centre Insurance Agency: citycentreinsurance.com/steven-wiatrek Insure Podcast is a long-form interview show with the owner-operators of small independent insurance agencies. Hosted by Ben Shaw. Show notes and transcript: https://insurepodcast.com/episodes/season-1/face-to-face-insurance-sales-steven-wiatrek insurepodcast.com
May 14

InsurePodcast #3: Robert Earl Balan-Martin

Robert Balan-Martin built Gnome Insurance Services as a scratch agency that did $300,000 in new premium almost entirely through Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, and Snapchat messages — sometimes binding policies at one in the morning, after a contractor finished work for the day. He started out cold-calling agencies in 2019, tried trucking insurance, bounced through some insurtechs, took a detour into software sales at Guesty during the rougher stretch of 2023, and launched his own agency in November 2024 on a thousand-dollar budget. He's since sold that first book and is laying the foundation for a second. In this conversation we get into a way of doing the work that runs counter to most of what the industry teaches. Robert built an inbound funnel through organic social, leaning on the "two-cent strategy" — building rapport in the comments of small business owners' Facebook posts before ever pitching anything. He talks about why personal Facebook pages are still insulated from the AI flood (Meta's bot-detection makes them genuinely human spaces), why being available at eleven at night for pressure washers and lawn care guys is the unlock for that demographic, and how he ran the whole agency off a spreadsheet because no AMS fit the way a one-person shop actually works. We also get specific on carriers. Coterie as a workhorse for new ventures and micro-small business. Hanover as the legacy favorite when the agency-licensing barrier isn't in the way. Berkshire (Biberk, Three, Breeze, Nico) and the post-bind accuracy audits that catch every detail. Chub and the feeling that you're "learning by doing, like a guild apprentice." The Next/Ergo merger and the fraud problem he's worried about. Agentero's commercial rater on the back end where he now consults. And the rule he keeps coming back to: small accounts have value if you treat them right, because the lawn care guy with one truck eventually becomes the lawn care company with 18 employees, workers' comp, fleet auto, and the whole package. Show notes and transcript: https://insurepodcast.com/episodes/season-1/organic-social-media-leads-robert-balan-martin Robert and Gnome Insurance Services: Instagram @robertearlbmartin
May 8

InsurePodcast #2: Jeremy Stepp

Jeremy Stepp runs the property and casualty side of Synergy Wealth, Insurance and Planning, an independent agency in Coolidge, Arizona — a rural town of about 20,000 people in Pinal County, halfway between Phoenix and Tucson. The agency began with his wife Tonya's life and health practice during the COVID shutdown of 2020. Jeremy added P&C in September 2024, partly as a "low-hanging fruit" entry point that could lead clients into life and health, and partly because he was tired of feeling backed into a corner financially. He still works full-time as a special-education teacher while building the agency on the side. In this conversation we get into the texture of starting an agency from scratch in a small town: the slow grind of getting carrier appointments through the Pacific Crest Services aggregator, the particular logic of writing E&O for new life insurance agents in his wife's network, and the rule-of-three approach Jeremy uses for shopping markets when EZLynx isn't enough. We talk about why customers fall out of the sky in a town of 20,000 — the A-frame sign on Central Avenue, the Coolidge High School football sponsorship, the Casa Grande newspaper ads. We get into the carriers he's actually using (Foremost Signature, Travelers, Progressive, Geico, Gainsco, Biberk, US Assure, Ergo/Next), the shift to Biberk for E&O when his aggregator required it, and the six-month hunt for a builder's risk solution that finally landed at US Assure. We also talk about Jeremy's previous life running an eleven-year clock repair business inherited from his father and grandfather, what he learned about being a business owner that's shaping how he runs Synergy now, and his very specific vision for the future: an office on Arizona Boulevard built to look like the Glockenspiel in Munich, dedicated to his parents. Show notes and transcript: https://insurepodcast.com/episodes/season-1/building-rural-insurance-agency-jeremy-stepp Jeremy and Synergy Wealth, Insurance and Planning: synergywip.com
May 8

InsurePodcast #1: Kelly Bishop

Kelly Bishop runs Montana Legacy Insurance from Livingston, Montana. She started in insurance at 18, spent 20+ years with Farmers, kept an independent book for another decade, then took a detour through real estate and a stint as a Shelter agent in Las Vegas. When Shelter pulled out of Nevada, she came back to Montana and decided that if she was going to do insurance again, she'd do it independent. Montana Legacy is the result — about a year old, now writing through 60 carrier appointments, focused on commercial and farm-and-ranch with personal lines on the side. In this conversation we get into the texture of running a small independent agency in rural Montana — including the placement process for commercial accounts (sometimes submitting to twelve carriers), why wildfire scoring is reshaping the homeowners market, why she joined Montana Agency Alliance / SIAA for appointments, and the EZLynx-to-Semsee journey that's reshaped her commercial workflow. We also get her honest take on the technology paradox: that despite all the automation, she feels the work takes longer now than it did when she was writing 50–100 policies a month at Farmers. We talk about the single-agent operation she runs with Bree, plans to expand into all 50 states, the cross-sell with her real estate practice, and what she'd want a virtual assistant to actually do. Show notes and transcript: https://insurepodcast.com/episodes/season-1/wildfire-risk-rural-agency-growth-kelly-bishop Kelly and Montana Legacy Insurance: montanalegacyinsurance.com

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InsurePodcast is Ben Shaw’s interview podcast about the people changing how insurance work gets done. Season 1 went inside independent insurance agencies. Season 2, Post-SaaS Insurtech, examines how AI is changing what insurance technology companies deliver, how they price it, and what customers can build on their platforms.

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