Out of the Bottle by GenieAI

GenieAI

Out of the Bottle is a podcast by GenieAI, the legal AI platform built for complex, multi-document workflows. Team members sit down with the people driving AI adoption across industries. Real conversations from people who are actually shaping the AI industry.

Episodes

  1. Aug 20

    Inside the Legal AI Trust Layer | GenieAI Legal Engineers | Out of the Bottle by GenieAI

    Fluency is not expertise. A document can read like a seasoned counsel wrote it and still be wrong in a way nobody notices for five years. In Episode 6 of Out of the Bottle, Rafie Faruq sits down with the two legal engineers who work on Genie every day: Swetha Meenal, formerly an AI ethics researcher at the University of Melbourne and a litigator in India, and Imad Nazar, who trained and qualified into M&A at Skadden in London before joining GenieAI. They get into what it actually takes to make a machine think like a counsel: acquiring the right context from an ambiguous brief, running a process you can explain, and producing an outcome rather than a document. Then the trust layer: citations, deep links, provenance mapping, and negative evidence, so when the AI says "not found" you can see whether that means "it isn't there" or "page 80 didn't scan". 00:00 - Meet the legal engineers 01:52 - Does a legal AI company need real lawyers? 05:11 - Fabricated case law, and thinking like a counsel 06:56 - Not a document. An outcome. 09:18 - Context rot: why AI reads the middle worst 13:39 - What should never be automated 16:44 - Where AI belongs in an in-house team 19:24 - Judgment of judgments, and the art of lawyering 23:20 - The verification paradox 23:51 - The trust layer: citations, deep links, provenance 25:33 - Negative evidence: when the AI says "not found" 27:23 - The Future Lawyer Fellowship 32:02 - In-house is here to stay. Law firms should worry. 36:30 - AI native law firms, and what they really charge for 40:53 - Advice, and the one question to ask your vendor Out of the Bottle is a podcast by GenieAI, conversations with the people building, leading and rethinking the future of work. 👉 Subscribe for new episodes. 💬 Buying or building legal AI? Tell us what you'd want to see under the hood in the comments. --- The Future Lawyer Fellowship: https://academy.genieai.co/#/courses/future-lawyer 🔗 Swetha Meenal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/swetha-meenal/ 🔗 Imad Mohammed Nazar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/imadmnazar/ 🔗 Rafie Faruq: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/rfaruq 🔗 GenieAI: https://www.genieai.co--- GenieAI is a legal brain for every business team. Trusted by founders, commercial teams, sales and procurement for drafting, reviewing, and negotiating contracts. Enterprise-ready, jurisdiction-aware, and built to remove the legal bottleneck from every deal. Set your rules. Connect organisational knowledge. Sit back while our agents draft, review and negotiate your agreements with precision and confidence. Launched in 2017 by DeepMind-trained founders. Genie's agents outperform GPT and Claude by 140%. The #1 platform for business teams on complex contracts. Agree with confidence. Try for free: https://www.genieai.co Book a demo: https://www.genieai.co/book-a-demo Connect with us: Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@genieai LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/genie-ai/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/genieai.co/ X: https://x.com/genieai #genieai #legalai #contractmanagement #OutOfTheBottle

  2. Aug 18

    They Told Us It Was Impossible: Building Genie 3.0 | Out of the Bottle by GenieAI

    They asked a room full of machine learning experts if it could be done. Every answer was no. In Episode 5 of Out of the Bottle, Nitish Mutha (Co-Founder and CTO) sits down with the engineers Daniele Tassone, Head of AI Engineering, Merve Kucuk, Senior Software Engineer, and John Davison, Lead Frontend Engineer to talk about Genie 3.0 This is the full behind the scenes of an agentic legal system, built in November 2025, before Claude Cowork or anything like it existed. They get into the insight the whole product rests on (contracts are owned by business teams, not lawyers), the shift from human in the loop to AI in the loop, and the state machine they describe as an escape room: four phases the AI cannot leave until every legal criteria is satisfied. Plus GLF, the temporal graph that lets Genie know whether a WhatsApp message came before or after the contract was signed. Thinking steps, and why a slower answer can be the selling point. Agentic evals, personas and simulating how real customers will break the product. And how the team got the whole thing token efficient enough to start at £56. 400,000 conversations and legal cases solved so far, and GenieAI 4.0 is already in the works. 00:00 - Intro 01:10 - Why we built Genie 3.0: contracts aren't owned by lawyers 03:05 - They told us it was impossible 04:57 - What Genie 3.0 actually is 06:24 - Not an AI wrapper: designing a UI for a system that can do anything 09:56 - Teaching the agent to ask the right questions 13:28 - "It read my mind": testing with real lawyers 14:23 - The AI was talking like a lawyer 17:00 - Inside the multi-agent system 19:41 - How do you evaluate a system with no precedent? 21:42 - The first user tests, from the UK to South Africa 22:16 - Testing an AI that can do anything 25:20 - Simulating how customers will break it 28:45 - The escape room: four phases the AI can't leave 32:56 - 400,000 cases, and the technology underneath 34:04 - GLF: the temporal graph behind document intelligence 35:57 - Thinking steps, and why slower can be better 39:11 - One clause, a several hundred page document 40:38 - We built this before Cowork existed 41:40 - The most innovative thing we did 46:21 - Wrap up, and a spoiler about Genie 4.0 🔗 Nitish Mutha: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nitishmutha 🔗 Daniele Tassone: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danieletassone 🔗 Merve Kucuk: https://www.linkedin.com/in/merve-kucuk 🔗 John Davison: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-davison-87813953 Out of the Bottle is a podcast by GenieAI, conversations with the people building, leading and rethinking the future of work and shaping the AI industry. 👉 Subscribe for new episodes. 💬 Building agentic systems yourself? Tell us what you're stuck on in the comments. --- GenieAI is a legal brain for every business team. Trusted by founders, commercial teams, sales and procurement for drafting, reviewing, and negotiating contracts. Enterprise-ready, jurisdiction-aware, and built to remove the legal bottleneck from every deal. Set your rules. Connect organisational knowledge. Sit back while our agents draft, review and negotiate your agreements with precision and confidence. Launched in 2017 by DeepMind-trained founders. Genie's agents outperform GPT and Claude by 140%. The #1 platform for business teams on complex contracts. Agree with confidence. Try for free: https://www.genieai.co Book a demo: https://www.genieai.co/book-a-demo Connect with us: Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@genieai LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/genie-ai/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/genieai.co/ X: https://x.com/genieai #genieai #legalai #contractmanagement #outofthebottle #aiagents

  3. Aug 12

    Figma Is Dead: Design Happens in Claude Code Now | Rosie Dent-Erdoğan | Out of the Bottle by GenieAI

    She hasn't opened Figma in weeks. She is shipping more than she ever has. In Episode 4 of Out of the Bottle, Rafie sits down with Rosie Dent-Erdoğan, Product Creator at GenieAI, on what actually changed in product work once agents arrived. Two years ago the job was Mixpanel, hunches and medium-fidelity prototypes. Now it is talking to your data in natural language, ten ideas straight into Linear with no design files at all, and five agents running while your own hardware starts to overheat. They get into whether AI is replacing SaaS, why GenieAI builds its own internal tools instead of buying them, abstraction as the only way to stay ahead, what tokens really cost and who is subsidising them, and the legal brain for business teams: turning every contract, every version and every redline into knowledge a new joiner can tap into on day one. 00:00 - Intro 00:53 - The name we still cannot say 01:26 - The 20K domain name lesson 02:17 - Why every Genie meeting starts with a breath 03:27 - Meet Rosie Dent-Erdoğan. "Product creator?" The job title of the future 05:54 - My best pal, Claude Code (sorry, Figma) 07:14 - Build your own tools instead of buying them 08:36 - A day in the life: before agents, and now 13:22 - Genie 3.0 and the new-user deep dive 15:31 - AI fry: five agents, one human brain 16:53 - Mental health after agents: unblocked, independent, tired 17:35 - GPUs, human hardware and the limits of attention 21:20 - Abstraction, and the agent of agents 22:37 - Ten ideas, zero design files, straight to Linear 23:57 - Shipping work faster than we can understand it 25:15 - Abundance, capitalism and what comes after growth 28:12 - Anthropic, OpenAI and autonomous weapons 28:57 - What tokens actually cost, and who subsidises them 31:05 - Moving to token-based pricing, and users who run out 31:44 - Will VCs keep paying? Efficiency vs bigger models 33:43 - Maybe the frontier labs do not win 34:11 - Legal AI built for non-lawyers, used by law firms 38:13 - The legal brain: knowledge that never leaves 41:38 - Surrender control, dogfood hard, own the system prompt 🔗 Connect with Rosie Dent-Spargo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosie-dent-spargo-19679b87/ Out of the Bottle is a podcast by GenieAI, conversations with the people building, leading and rethinking the future of work in AI sapce. 👉 Subscribe for new episodes. 💬 Are your token costs out of control? Drop a comment below #OutOfTheBottle #ProductDesign #AIAgents #FutureOfWork #GenieAI --- GenieAI is a legal brain for every business team. Trusted by founders, commercial teams, sales and procurement for drafting, reviewing, and negotiating contracts. Enterprise-ready, jurisdiction-aware, and built to remove the legal bottleneck from every deal. Set your rules. Connect organisational knowledge. Sit back while our agents draft, review and negotiate your agreements with precision and confidence. Launched in 2017 by DeepMind-trained founders. Genie's agents outperform GPT and Claude by 140%. The #1 platform for business teams on complex contracts. Agree with confidence. Try for free: https://www.genieai.co Book a demo: https://www.genieai.co/book-a-demo Connect with us: Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@genieai LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/genie-ai/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/genieai.co/ X: https://x.com/genieai #genieai #legalai #contractmanagement

  4. Aug 4

    Is Your Company Data Training Someone Else's AI? | Dr Abigail Gilbert | Out of the Bottle by GenieAI

    Your company's data could be training someone else's AI. And most businesses have no idea.In Episode 3 of Out of the Bottle, Rafie sits down with Dr Abigail Gilbert, Co-Executive Director of the Institute for the Future of Work, the research institute behind the Pissarides Review and the UK's all-party parliamentary group on the future of work. They get into "economic sovereignty": ➡️ How the know-how of workers across the economy is quietly moving to a handful of foundation model providers, ➡️ Why most AI vendors can't guarantee your data isn't refining their models ➡️ Why the loudest fear (AI taking your job) might be distracting us from the bigger risk. ➡️ Plus good work vs bad automation, and why it's never the technology that does the harm, but how it's built and deployed. 00:00 - Intro 00:42 - Meet Dr Abigail Gilbert and the Institute for the Future of Work 02:59 - Automation, Brexit and the politics of work 06:36 - The Pissarides Review: what the research found 11:19 - Good work vs bad automation (it's the design, not the tech) 15:24 - How GenieAI redesigned itself around AI 16:26 - Economic sovereignty: where your company data really goes 24:04 - Efficiency, moats and should AI pay the public back 29:29 - What's surprising now: compute, courts and AI demand 33:19 - Abby's advice: design the work, don't bolt on AI 34:47 - Wrap up 🔗 Connect with Dr Abigail Gilbert: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abigailkendalgilbert/ 🔗 Institute for the Future of Work: https://www.ifow.org --- Out of the Bottle is a podcast by GenieAI, the legal AI platform built for complex, multi-document workflows. Team members sit down with the people driving AI adoption across industries. Real conversations from people who are actually shaping the AI industry. 👉 Subscribe for new episodes. 💬 How is your workplace data being managed? Drop a comment below. #OutOfTheBottle #FutureOfWork #AI #EconomicSovereignty #GenieAI --- GenieAI is a legal brain for every business team. Trusted by founders, commercial teams, sales and procurement for drafting, reviewing, and negotiating contracts. Enterprise-ready, jurisdiction-aware, and built to remove the legal bottleneck from every deal. Set your rules. Connect organisational knowledge. Sit back while our agents draft, review and negotiate your agreements with precision and confidence. Launched in 2017 by DeepMind-trained founders. Genie's agents outperform GPT and Claude by 140%. The #1 platform for business teams on complex contracts. Agree with confidence. Try for free: https://www.genieai.co Book a demo: https://www.genieai.co/book-a-demo Connect with us: Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@genieai LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/genie-ai/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/genieai.co/ X: https://x.com/genieai

  5. Aug 4

    What AI Will Never Replace | Sophie Catto, AllBright everywoman | Out of the Bottle by GenieAI

    Out of the Bottle is a podcast by GenieAI, the legal AI platform built for complex, multi-document workflows. Co-founders sit down with the people driving AI adoption across industries. Real conversations from people who are actually shaping the AI industry. In Episode 2 of Out of the Bottle, Rafie sits down with Sophie Catto, Joint Managing Director of AllBright everywoman, the largest ecosystem of women in business with a community of 500,000+. Sophie spent two decades in publishing (Daily Mirror, Hearst, Tatler, House & Garden) before moving into purpose-led work, and she has serious views on how stories actually land today.Rafie and Sophie get into why the future of work is human plus AI, not human versus AI, and how the fear has flipped from "AI will take my job" to "I might not have a job." Plus storytelling that actually resonates, and turning the motherhood penalty into motherhood power. Sophie is one of the most thoughtful voices on community, brand and the future of work. This one is full of practical advice for entrepreneurs, leaders, marketers and anyone telling their story today. 00:00 - Intro 02:30 - From history of art to publishing to purpose 04:53 - The real challenges for women in male-dominated industries 06:51 - Building a culture that's accessible to everyone 10:35 - Storytelling that lands (and why the advertorial is dead) 14:50 - Know your audience, and admit when it's changed 15:53 - Human + AI, not human vs AI 17:28 - Can you always tell when it's written by AI? 21:04 - Motherhood penalty ➡️ motherhood power 25:57 - The skills you actually gain from motherhood 27:24 - How do we get everyone to adopt AI? Out of the Bottle is a podcast by GenieAI, the legal AI platform built for complex, multi-document workflows. Co-founders sit down with the people driving AI adoption across industries. Real conversations from people who are actually shaping the AI industry. 👉 Subscribe for new episodes. 💬 What stood out to you? Drop a comment below. #OutOfTheBottle #WomenInBusiness #Storytelling #AI #FutureOfWork --- GenieAI is a legal brain for every business team. Trusted by founders, commercial teams, sales and procurement for drafting, reviewing, and negotiating contracts. Enterprise-ready, jurisdiction-aware, and built to remove the legal bottleneck from every deal. Set your rules. Connect organisational knowledge. Sit back while our agents draft, review and negotiate your agreements with precision and confidence. Launched in 2017 by DeepMind-trained founders. Genie's agents outperform GPT and Claude by 140%. The #1 platform for business teams on complex contracts. Agree with confidence. Try for free: https://www.genieai.co Book a demo: https://www.genieai.co/book-a-demo Connect with us: Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@genieai LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/genie-ai/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/genieai.co/ X: https://x.com/genieai #genieai #legalai #contractmanagement

  6. May 21

    What's coming next in AI? | Genie Out of the Bottle. Ep 01 | GenieAI

    Genie Out of the Bottle is a podcast by GenieAI, the legal AI platform built for complex, multi-document workflows. Co-founders sit down with the people driving AI adoption across industries. Real conversations from people who are actually shaping the AI industry. In this episode, GenieAI co-founders Rafie Faruq (CEO) and Nitish Mutha (CTO) talk about what's next for AI agents. Nitish just got back from the Code with Claude conference in San Francisco and what he heard from the Anthropic team is changing how they think about code, products, and the future of legal AI. They cover throwaway code, why Anthropic is replacing Markdown with HTML, what "dreaming" means for agent memory, whether agents will invent their own language, and how GenieAI is building Eidetic Intelligence, a knowledge graph that outperforms Claude on complex legal tasks by 30%. --- GenieAI is a legal brain for every business team. Trusted by founders, commercial teams, sales and procurement for drafting, reviewing, and negotiating contracts. Enterprise-ready, jurisdiction-aware, and built to remove the legal bottleneck from every deal.Set your rules. Connect organisational knowledge. Sit back while our agents draft, review and negotiate your agreements with precision and confidence.Launched in 2017 by DeepMind-trained founders. Genie's agents outperform GPT and Claude by 140%. The #1 platform for business teams on complex contracts. Agree with confidence. Try for free: https://www.genieai.co

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