The Elder Well Podcast

Intimate conversations exploring all aspects of conscious eldering

A place to gather and explore what it means to be an Elder in these challenging and untethered times. theelderwell.substack.com

Episodes

  1. 2h ago

    What’s mine to do in the second half of life, with Anne and Terry Symens-Bucher

    Welcome dear listener, Our guests this time on The Elder Well are Anne and Terry Symens-Bucher. Anne and Terry are founders of Canticle Farm, an intentional community in Oakland, California, experimenting at the intersection of faith, social justice, and Earth-based nonviolent activism. Canticle Farm is rooted in Franciscan spirituality and the Work That Reconnects, a body of teachings best known through living systems and Buddhist scholar Joanna Macy. Anne worked as Joanna Macy’s Executive Assistant for the last twenty years of Joanna’s life. Prior to that she was involved in nuclear disarmament, Sanctuary, nonviolence, and ecological sustainability work for twenty-five years, primarily as Co-Director of the Justice, Peace, and Integrity of Creation Office for the Franciscan Friars of the St. Barbara Province. Terry has a Master of Divinity Degree from the Franciscan School of Theology and a Juris Doctor degree from U.C. Hastings College of Law. He supports and develops rites of passage for men of various ages and faith lineages. He is currently focused on guiding elder rites for men. In his community building efforts with Illuman, he centres the role of conflict in personal and organizational development, and the ability of trauma and shadow work to transform relationships by deepening the social field. Anne and Terry are retreat facilitators of the Work That Reconnects and guides for elder rites of passage. They are the parents of five children and grandparents of three. They celebrate their 40th wedding anniversary this year. “…I think my eldering is realizing that I can be in a story that I’m breathing and I’m living my life, or I can choose to turn my attention to that I’m being breathed and I’m being lived, and that’s increasingly where I want to find myself.” - Ann Symens-Bucher In a rich and wide-ranging conversation… * Anne and Terry share from long lifetimes dedicated to peace-activism and community-building; they suggest the skills humanity currently lacks most are the very skills we most need – namely the skills of conflict resolution; * They acknowledge the prevalence of untended trauma in our time - personal, ancestral and collective – and speak powerfully of how everything we need to support our individual and collective healing is already present in our ecosystem, we just need the eyes to see it; * Terry unpacks what he holds to be two of the key cultural tasks of elders at this time - forgiveness and speaking the unspeakable… * …and Anne shares how, for her, eldering well includes listening to younger people, describing her on-going commitment to creating opportunities for younger people to be deeply heard in their longing, their grief and their searching; * We acknowledge the disconnected, co mpetitive, and highly individualistic culture in which we’re living, and Terry and Anne speak eloquently of the vitality and necessity of relationship, community and shared commitment to the common good; * Towards the end of our time together, Anne and Terry share something of their respective spiritual journeys including the ways their beliefs support, nourish and inspire them to keep showing up, for each other, for their community, and for humanity. Please share your reflections in the Substack comments…. Links to further resources: * Canticle Farm * The Work That Reconnects * The website of Joanna Macy * Illuman Elder Rites of Passage * Illuman Also mentioned by our guests in this episode: * Gabor Mate * Thomas Hubl “…we’ve also figured out how to grow food and make medicine from plants and accompany people giving birth, but what have we not figured out how to do as a human species is to deal with our trauma and our conflict, you know. We have not learned to live together. We have not learned. I used to wear a button around that said, I will not kill you, and just love the, you know, I will not kill you, no matter how upset I am, no matter how much I disagree with you. I will not kill you. Can you imagine if we could just start there? So my Noah’s Ark is filled with people who have conflict and mediation and trauma skills, because if we can’t figure that out, none of the rest of it is going to matter.” - Ann Symens-Bucher Get full access to The Elder Well at theelderwell.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 40m
  2. Jun 6

    #3 | Have We Reached Peak Trauma? with Manda Scott

    Our guest this time on The Elder Well is Manda Scott. Based in the UK, Manda has been, variously, a veterinary surgeon, columnist, acupuncturist, regenerative smallholder, homoeopath, coach, renegade economist - and author of 16 novels, several screenplays and one non-fiction book. She holds a Master’s degree in Regenerative Economics from Schumacher College, is a contemporary shamanic teacher, and co-hosts the Accidental Gods podcast with her wife, Faith Tilleray. In this episode of The Elder Well, we sit down with Manda for a courageous and compassionate conversation which explores elderhood, personal and collective trauma, wonderment, chaos, the web of life, the future of the planet, and more… Know someone who’d love this conversation with Manda Scott? Please share below. Manda speculates that culturally we may be at peak trauma now and cannot as a collective go much further without either crashing and burning, or emerging into a new system which does not have trauma as a baseline. She describes the differences between “trauma cultures” and “initiation cultures”, and suggests the marked absence of meaningful initiation rites and rituals keeps much of society stuck in a kind of arrested early adolescence. Manda offers fascinating insights about initiation cultures being more serotonin-based in contrast to the prevailing culture in the west which is largely based on dopamine requiring continual and ever-larger amounts of stimulation to sustain itself; Throughout our conversation, Manda points to paths which would lead us away from the brink of cultural and planetary collapse. “If we don’t bring a critical mass of people to the edge of what’s possible and leave behind all the old structures of predatory capitalism and trauma culture then I don’t think we make it through.” Manda speaks movingly of an inspiring vision she had in mid-winter 2018 in which she was shown the earth floating in space, criss-crossed by millions of fibres of light, creating a web, and how at every crossing point was a node of consciousness, of which some were human….and most were not. Manda shares how, for her, a true elder is someone who has the capacity to not become hijacked by their own trauma, who has learned how to connect with the web of life, and has offered themselves fully in service of youngers and the planet. Manda invites each of us to cultivate joyful curiosity, and to fall in love with the magic of being alive in spite of the obvious chaos around us. Towards the end of our time together, she shares an inspiring vision she is holding of a possible future where each person wakes up feeling safe, confident and excited, awed and alive with the possibility of the day, connected with themselves, other people and the rest of the web of life, knowing what’s theirs to do, confident in their capacity to do it, and doing this in the company of other people who they trust in good faith are doing the same. Offering a few links to explore this conversation further: * The Accidental Gods Podcast * The website of Manda Scott * Releasing Our Burdens: A Guide to Healing Individual, Ancestral, and Collective Trauma by Richard Schwartz PhD and Thomas Hübl PhD * The website of teacher and author Thomas Hübl * Of Water and the Spirit: Ritual, Magic, and Initiation in the Life of an African Shaman by Malidoma Patrice Somé We were enlivened and inspired by our time with Manda; we very much hope you are too. Please enjoy. “I think in general terms, the point of an elder in any healed and whole culture is to be helping to hold the space for the younger people coming through. I think one of the points of being human is to create the compost the land, create the soil of which to grow other humans who will be wiser than us.” We are so happy to share that The Elder Well podcast opens and closes with the song River Run Free composed and performed by MaMuse with Walter Strauss on guitar. This song is shared here with the generous permission of the artists. To find out more about MaMuse, their music and their mission please visit: http://www.mamuse.org/ Get full access to The Elder Well at theelderwell.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 6m
  3. Jun 5

    #2 | A Call to the Brave, with Mac Macartney

    Welcome dear listener. Our guest this time on The Elder Well is Mac Macartney. Mac is a visionary, international speaker, author, and change-maker. He is the founder of Embercombe, a social enterprise and 50-acre rewilding estate on Dartmoor (UK) dedicated to the profound regeneration of land and society. He bridges ancient indigenous wisdom with 21st-century leadership. Over a 20-year period, Mac was mentored by indigenous elders, profoundly shaping his worldview and driving his advocacy for earth-centred leadership In this episode, Mac shares insights and wisdom from a life dedicated to beauty, nature, spirit, courage and love.… * Mac shares how, for him, one of the great invitations of the second half of life is to uncover - or recover - our authentic voice, and to speak from this in service of what is real, true and has value; * Now aged 73, he describes how in his 20’s, encountering the deep spirituality of First Nations people, recorded in the book Touch The Earth, profoundly moved and inspired him, and shaped the course of the rest of his life; * He offers a vision of what might be expected of conscious, engaged elders, which includes looking to the future, acting to benefit the overall cohesion of society, and being invested in young people having safe, sustainable, fulfilling and dignified lives; * Our conversation ends with Mac offering ‘A call to the brave’, an inspiring invitation to all who can to step up in these times of crisis, and co-create the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible. Please enjoy… Links: https://macmacartney.com/ https://www.embercombe.org/the-journey https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/509333.Touch_the_Earth “…in the end it’s not much more than the things that we’ve already spoken of. You know, to know that you are loved. You do not need to prove anything. The “spiritual things” in our view are by and large, everything that we call ordinary in this life, a sunrise… I mean, I understand we have different religions, and they serve many people very well, but I think we were born into a ceremony, and the very nature of life is spiritual.” We are so happy to share that The Elder Well podcast opens and closes with the song River Run Free composed and performed by MaMuse with Walter Strauss on guitar. This song is shared here with the generous permission of the artists. To find out more about MaMuse, their music and their mission please visit: http://www.mamuse.org/ Get full access to The Elder Well at theelderwell.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 19m
  4. Jun 5

    #1 | In the Presence of the Shortness of Days, with Ned Abenroth

    We are pleased to introduce our first guest on The Elder Well — Ned Abenroth. Ned has spent his adult life tending to transformational spaces. He was ordained in his early 20’s in a Christian community of artists, theologians, poets, musicians, and other glorious misfits, and served as a pastor in unorthodox settings ever since. In this episode, Ned takes us on a journey of heart and soul, exploring how eldering is a profound invitation to change our relationship with the second half of life. He shares how he sees eldering not as a fixed identity but more as a process of becoming - an on-going deepening, ripening and flowering. “I often think of ‘elder’ more as verb than noun and that the verb to elder, if I was to give a definition, would be to give away one’s final season for the good of the world” He offers insights from his elder rites of passage work including the necessity of grief work, the liberation of waking up from the dominant culture’s fear and denial of death, and the immense gifts and Grace that can flow when we face our own mortality. Ned is a beautiful soul. Take your time to find out more about Ned using the links below: * Ned’s website: nedabenroth.com * About the Elders Rites of Passage (EROP): eldersritesofpassage.com * Illuman, the interfaith community of men: illuman.org * Ned’s beautiful Poem ‘Yes’: nedabenroth.com/yes Please enjoy… “Only the ego has a problem with death but we have to remember that death is not the opposite of life. You know, it’s the opposite of birth. They’re both doorways into and out of this world. But death itself is not antithetical to life, if anything, it feeds life. Spend any time in an old growth forest and on the forest floor and you’re standing on generations of death and decay. There would be no forest without all of the death that has happened before it, you know, so, there is this impossibility of there being anything close to what we think of as life, if death were not part of this beautiful, beautiful cycle of it.” —Ned Abenroth * We are so happy to share that The Elder Well podcast opens and closes with the song River Run Free composed and performed by MaMuse with Walter Strauss on guitar. This song is shared here with the generous permission of the artists. To find out more about MaMuse, their music and their mission please visit: mamuse.org Get full access to The Elder Well at theelderwell.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 32m

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