Owner Mode

Gravy Wealth

There are two kinds of people on this planet: earners and owners. And it all starts with an identity shift. That's where Owner Mode comes in. Owner Mode is the series for high-earning professionals who've built real careers and income, only to discover they may be climbing the wrong mountain. Host Brandon William Jones, founder and CEO of Gravy Wealth, sits down with luminaries like Mellody Hobson, top VC partners like a16z's Chris Lyons, founders who've built businesses from the ground up or through acquisition, and professionals who've built ownership on the side and made the calculated leap. These are the conversations that usually happen behind closed doors, diving into the real pathways and journeys that took them to the other side. If you're ready to shift into Owner Mode, you're in the right place.

  1. 3d ago

    From Houses to Hotels | Evens Charles

    For years Evens Charles thought the person running a big deal had to fund all of it. He started with a $32,000 row home in West Philadelphia and $1,000 of his own money while earning about $21,000 a year. Today he is the founder of a $350M hotel portfolio of Hilton- and Marriott-branded hotels across 7 states, with a $1.1B development pipeline, run by a team of fewer than ten people. In this Owner Mode conversation he lays out the path from houses to hotels: living on the same budget and putting every sales bonus into real estate, the conference where he met the team for his first hotel, and the SBA loan that financed 80% of that $3 million, 70-room property. He also explains how bigger deals are funded, including the 90/10 structure in which a limited partner provides most of the equity and the sponsor provides a small share and runs the deal, and why a strong brand, through its reservation system, can supply 35 to 40 percent of a hotel's business. He is honest about the risks. Hotels run 24 hours a day, lenders want real net worth and liquidity from a sponsor, and COVID hit hotels harder than any other kind of real estate. This is a grounded look at how a self-funded start became a branded hotel portfolio. Chapters: 00:00 Why hotels are a franchise game most people never see 02:33 A $1,000 row home, a $21K job, and every bonus into real estate 09:02 The book, the conference, and the first hotel deal 18:06 Why hotels run differently, and the guests a brand sends you 24:46 How the deals get funded, from SBA to the 90/10 split 37:15 How to get in now: partners, passive stakes and conferences 42:15 His thesis: premium brands, select service and up-branding 47:09 COVID, leverage and the case for diversifying Links: Full transcript: gravywealth.com/podcast/evens-charles-houses-to-hotels/transcript Owner Mode Memo: gravywealth.com/memo Owner Mode podcast: gravywealth.com/podcast DNA Assessment: go.gravywealth.com/DNA This content is for educational and informational purposes only and reflects the personal experiences and opinions of the participants. Nothing here is investment, legal, tax, or financial advice, or a recommendation to buy or sell any security. Past results do not guarantee future outcomes. Do your own research and consult your own professional advisors before making any financial decision.

  2. 5d ago

    From Houses to Hotels | Evens Charles

    Evens Charles started with a $32,000 row home in West Philadelphia and $1,000 of his own money while earning about $21,000 a year. Today he is the founder of a $350M hotel portfolio of Hilton- and Marriott-branded hotels across 7 states, with a $1.1B development pipeline, run by a team of fewer than ten people. In this Owner Mode conversation he lays out the path from houses to hotels: living on the same budget and putting every sales bonus into real estate, the conference where he met the team for his first hotel, and the SBA loan that financed 80% of that $3 million, 70-room property. He also explains how bigger hotel deals are funded, including the 90/10 structure in which a limited partner provides most of the equity and the sponsor provides a small share and runs the deal, and why a major brand's reservation system can supply 35 to 40 percent of a hotel's business. He is honest about the risks. Hotels run 24 hours a day, lenders want real net worth and liquidity from a sponsor, and COVID hit hotels harder than any other kind of real estate. This is a grounded look at how a self-funded start became a branded hotel portfolio. Chapters: 00:00 Why hotels are a franchise game most people never see 02:33 A $1,000 row home, a $21K job, and every bonus into real estate 09:02 The book, the conference, and the first hotel deal 18:06 Why hotels run differently, and the guests a brand sends you 24:46 How the deals get funded, from SBA to the 90/10 split 37:15 How to get in now: partners, passive stakes and conferences 42:15 His thesis: premium brands, select service and up-branding 47:09 COVID, leverage and the case for diversifying Links: Explore the Build pathway: gravywealth.com/build Full transcript: gravywealth.com/podcast/evens-charles-houses-to-hotels/transcript Owner Mode Memo: gravywealth.com/memo Owner Mode podcast: gravywealth.com/podcast DNA Assessment: go.gravywealth.com/DNA Disclaimer: This content is for educational and informational purposes only and reflects the personal experiences and opinions of the participants. Nothing here is investment, legal, tax, or financial advice, or a recommendation to buy or sell any security. Past results do not guarantee future outcomes. Do your own research and consult your own professional advisors before making any financial decision.

  3. Oct 12

    The Hidden Playbook | Will Drewery

    Will Drewery managed about $3.5 billion in equipment spend at Tesla before he left to build his own company. When he founded Diagon, he launched it on a playbook most founders never get told: do not pay full price for anything in year one. In this Owner Mode conversation, Will breaks down the mechanics nobody advertises. Law firms that believe you are headed for venture funding will defer their fees until you raise. VC firms will pay you a contractor wage to incubate an idea through an entrepreneur-in-residence program. Your own bootstrap cash can go in as a promissory note you can recover later instead of money you simply spend. He also walks through how a venture call is actually structured, why he weights a founder's network far above the idea itself, and the tax moves that decide how much of the upside you keep, including the 83(b) election he filed on four million shares for $40 and the QSBS exclusion that can make up to $10 million of gain tax-free. He is clear-eyed about the limits, too. None of the deferrals are free money, and the programs depend on a firm believing you are genuinely venture-track. This is a straight look at how a senior operator launches without burning his savings, and why he thinks the cost of building has never been lower. Chapters: 00:00 A playbook nobody advertises 00:54 Brandon introduces Will Drewery 00:56 From Baghdad to an early seat at Tesla 00:58 Managing $3.5B in spend, and the bonus that woke him up 01:01 The belief: founders should not pay full price in year one 01:03 Getting paid to build: the entrepreneur-in-residence path 01:08 Deferred billing: how firms carry a pre-funded founder 01:10 The promissory note: bootstrap cash you can get back 01:14 How a venture call is actually structured 01:24 83(b) and QSBS: keeping the value you create 01:31 A working MVP in 45 minutes 01:35 The game is rigged, and why now is the moment Links: Book Will Drewery 1-on-1: gravywealth.com/expert/willdrewery Explore the Launch pathway: gravywealth.com/launch Full transcript: gravywealth.com/podcast/will-drewery-hidden-playbook/transcript Owner Mode Memo: gravywealth.com/memo Owner Mode podcast: gravywealth.com/podcast DNA Assessment: go.gravywealth.com/DNA Disclaimer: This content is for educational and informational purposes only and reflects the personal experiences and opinions of the participants. Nothing here is investment, legal, tax, or financial advice, or a recommendation to buy or sell any security. Past results do not guarantee future outcomes. Do your own research and consult your own professional advisors before making any financial decision.

  4. Oct 5

    What Makes Operators Board-Ready | Robin Washington

    Robin Washington sits on the boards of Alphabet and Honeywell and serves as President, COO, and CFO of Salesforce. Her first board seat came before she was even a CFO. In this Owner Mode conversation, she explains the one thing she says makes anyone board ready: being genuinely exceptional at your day job, because the board members and leadership team around you are the ones who notice. She describes writing "join a Fortune 500 public board" into her performance appraisal as a sitting CFO, telling the board members she knew, and how her seats followed, one through a recruiting firm and one from Mark Benioff after years of knowing each other. She also covers what a board member actually does and why great operators can struggle with it, what her first boardroom was like as the only woman in the room, the reputation risk that comes with every seat, and the question she asked Sundar Pichai before joining Alphabet: why do you want me on this board? Chapters: 00:00 The one thing that makes you board ready 00:30 Why a board director stepped in to run the company 07:13 From finance to a first board seat before CFO 14:20 You are not an operator as a board member 16:56 The only woman in her first boardroom 21:00 Getting noticed and putting the goal in writing 29:44 The reputation risk that comes with every seat 33:46 Why do you want me on this board? Links: Explore the Advise pathway: gravywealth.com/advise Full transcript: gravywealth.com/podcast/robin-washington-what-makes-operators-board-ready/transcript Owner Mode Memo: gravywealth.com/memo Owner Mode podcast: gravywealth.com/podcast DNA Assessment: go.gravywealth.com/DNA Disclaimer: This content is for educational and informational purposes only and reflects the personal experiences and opinions of the participants. Nothing here is investment, legal, tax, or financial advice, or a recommendation to buy or sell any security. Past results do not guarantee future outcomes. Do your own research and consult your own professional advisors before making any financial decision.

  5. Sep 28

    The Patient Owner | Mellody Hobson (Ariel Investments)

    Mellody Hobson has been investing for 35 years. She is Co-CEO of Ariel Investments, one of the most respected active-management firms in America, a Board Director at JPMorgan Chase, and former Chair of both Starbucks Corporation and DreamWorks Animation. In this Owner Mode conversation, she makes the case for patience as the real edge in private markets. Asked what high earners get wrong, she leads with the trade-off rather than the upside: private markets cost you liquidity, and you cannot simply change your mind and sell. From there she lays out a clear sequence. Build a diversified public portfolio first. Treat private markets as the add-on, not the anchor. Find a financial adviser who syndicates access. Then accept the illiquidity and hold. She also walks through the Ariel thesis of investing in what is misunderstood, ignored, and under-followed, and applies it to women's sports, which she calls the small caps of sports. She names the access reality without hedging, including her own fund's $5 million minimum. The throughline is the line she keeps returning to: it's the time in the market, not timing the market that leads to long term success. Her closing instruction is the one to keep: if you are going to be an owner, be a patient owner. This is a clear, experienced look at how to enter private markets the right way, from someone who has spent three and a half decades inside the room. Chapters: 00:09:24 Introduction: Mellody Hobson and the Ariel approach 00:13:18 Investing in the misunderstood, ignored, and under-followed 00:13:22 Women's sports as the small caps of sports 00:14:45 The honest access conversation: the $5 million minimum 00:17:54 Democratizing access to long-term wealth 00:22:02 Time in the market, not timing the market 00:23:13 How to enter private markets: an add-on, not an anchor 00:26:15 AI and what stays valuable for knowledge workers 00:29:05 The information diet: four papers and "buy reading glasses" 00:34:35 If you're gonna be an owner, be a patient owner Links: Foundation: gravywealth.com/foundation Full transcript: gravywealth.com/podcast/mellody-hobson-patient-owner/transcript Owner Mode Memo: gravywealth.com/memo Owner Mode podcast: gravywealth.com/podcast DNA Assessment: go.gravywealth.com/DNA Disclaimer: This content is for educational and informational purposes only and reflects the personal experiences and opinions of the participants. Nothing here is investment, legal, tax, or financial advice, or a solicitation to buy or sell any security. Investing in private securities involves significant risk, including possible loss of principal, and past performance does not guarantee future results. Do your own research and consult your own professional advisors before making any investment decision.

  6. Sep 21

    Playing Chess | Ashley Flucas (Flucas Ventures)

    Ashley Flucas is COO of Summit Ventures and founder of Flucas Ventures, one of the most active venture capital syndicates in the world, with 250+ investments including Databricks, Brex, and Mercury. She is a former capital markets attorney who left law to build all of it. In this Owner Mode conversation, Ashley traces how she went from Harvard Law and capital markets law to one of the most active syndicates in the country. She came back to Florida in 2018 with no tech network, taught herself by writing small checks into deals she could afford to be wrong about, and treated the reps as the education. Her warning: if you just keep studying, you will get analysis paralysis. Within two years she launched her own first SPV, Andreessen Horowitz invested alongside her, and the New York Times profiled her. She also breaks down the structure underneath the returns. She runs a barbell, venture for upside on one side, income and real estate for stability and tax treatment on the other. She explains how QSBS works on the venture side, how she chose an operating role that unlocked real estate depreciation, and why she moved her domicile to Florida. Her effective rate now runs in the mid-teens, the result of career design rather than a loophole. She closes on risk, and her framing is the one to sit with. The bigger regret, in her view, is never taking the swing, as long as you have built the structure to survive the worst case first. This is a specific, candid look at how a high earner builds private-market ownership through action and structure rather than analysis, and why what you keep matters as much as what you make. Chapters: 00:00 Own assets or get left behind 00:30 Brandon introduces Ashley Flucas 02:00 Duke, Harvard Law, and the box of career paths she thought existed 06:00 The book that reframed everything: The Monk and the Riddle 10:00 Florida, no tech network, and learning by doing 14:00 AngelList and the entry ladder into syndication 18:00 The barbell: venture on one side, real estate and income on the other 24:00 Golden handcuffs, autonomy, and the number that keeps moving 27:00 Tax structure: QSBS, depreciation, and Florida domicile 33:00 How to evaluate a syndicate and pick your first deals 40:00 What she is investing in now: AI infrastructure, aerospace and defense 44:00 The family office north star and the risk math 46:00 Closing: own assets or be left behind Links: Foundation: gravywealth.com/foundation Full transcript: gravywealth.com/podcast/ashley-flucas-playing-chess/transcript Owner Mode Memo: gravywealth.com/memo Owner Mode podcast: gravywealth.com/podcast DNA Assessment: go.gravywealth.com/DNA Disclaimer: This content is for educational and informational purposes only and reflects the personal experiences and opinions of the participants. Nothing here is investment, legal, tax, or financial advice, or a solicitation to buy or sell any security. Investing in private securities involves significant risk, including possible loss of principal, and past performance does not guarantee future results. Do your own research and consult your own professional advisors before making any investment decision.

  7. Sep 14

    The Private Markets Playbook | Ryan Williams of Cadre

    Ryan Williams founded Cadre, a $5B+ real estate investment platform, at twenty-five, after stints at Goldman Sachs and Blackstone. He built it to do something those firms never did: put Harvard's endowment, BlackRock, and the Ford Foundation into the same institutional-quality deals as individual investors. In this Owner Mode conversation, Ryan traces the whole arc. As a Harvard sophomore during the 2008 crisis, he saw a pricing dislocation in Atlanta, pooled money from classmates, and bought a house on New Hope Road for $63,000, making 3x unlevered before he graduated. By his first year at Goldman he owned nearly 1,000 residential units, run on nights and weekends. What he could not unsee at the institutional shops was that the best private real estate deals reached only a tiny group of investors when the economics could have supported individuals. The gatekeeping was structural, not mathematical. So he built the door. The principle underneath it all is trust. "Nothing compounds faster than trust. Not capital. Not talent. Not credentials." The first dollars in are trust dollars, and the way to compress that curve is to be the institutional version of yourself before you have institutional reasons to be. Ryan closes with why private markets are structurally less efficient and therefore richer in opportunity, and a three-question framework for allocating to illiquid assets. Chapters: 02:36:49 Introduction: Goldman TMT, Blackstone real estate PE, founding Cadre at 25 02:41:39 The dorm-room thesis: what would have to be true for this not to work 02:43:55 First deal on New Hope Road: $63K in, 3x unlevered, junior year 02:46:42 Goldman by day, Atlanta real estate by night: nearly 1,000 units 02:59:51 The thing he could not unsee: the best deals reaching a tiny group 03:02:35 Nothing compounds faster than trust: the trust dollars framework 03:13:30 The case for private markets: structurally less efficient, more alpha 03:32:52 How to start: don't start with a deal, start with a thesis Links: Foundation: gravywealth.com/foundation Full transcript: gravywealth.com/podcast/ryan-williams-private-markets-playbook/transcript Owner Mode Memo: gravywealth.com/memo Owner Mode podcast: gravywealth.com/podcast DNA Assessment: go.gravywealth.com/DNA Disclaimer: This content is for educational and informational purposes only and reflects the personal experiences and opinions of the participants. Nothing here is investment, legal, tax, or financial advice, or a solicitation to buy or sell any security. Investing in private securities involves significant risk, including possible loss of principal, and past performance does not guarantee future results. Do your own research and consult your own professional advisors before making any investment decision.

  8. Sep 7

    From Framework to Funding | Marlon Nichols & Bonita Stewart

    Marlon Nichols and Bonita Stewart join the Owner Mode Summit to compare how a VC and an operator evaluate the same early-stage company. Marlon is Managing General Partner at MaC Venture Capital, with over $600M in AUM, 238 portfolio companies, and five IPOs. Bonita is Co-founder and Managing Partner of BAG Ventures and a co-lead of the BAG Collective, a 400+ angel investor community, and was the first Black woman VP at Google. Marlon explains his second-order effects thesis: rather than investing in AI itself, he invests in what AI breaks and rebuilds downstream, across energy, the physical world, and specific industries. He lays out his four nonnegotiables for any team he backs: someone who understands the technology, a founder who pulls talent, a product person who can ship, and the ability to sell. He has tried to proceed with three of the four, and it never works. Bonita brings the operator's lens to investing. She sends venture partners to look at a startup's code before BAG writes a check, screening for a real technology moat, and adds strategic resilience as a filter for founders who can absorb a setback and pivot at the right moment. For high earners entering private markets, both deliver the same message: have a thesis before you write a check, invest in what you understand, and stay away from hype cycles. This is a practical look at how professional investors actually evaluate early-stage companies before any money moves, recorded as the fireside that opened the Summit's $100K pitch competition. Chapters: 01:01:54 Introductions: Bonita Stewart and Marlon Nichols 01:05:40 Marlon's thesis: from cultural investing to second-order effects 01:11:46 Everything starts with team: Marlon's four nonnegotiables 01:19:14 Table stakes before the conversation: market, competition, unfair advantage 01:23:07 Bonita's AI filter: go under the hood and vet the tech 01:24:01 Strategic resilience: can the founder pivot at the right moment 01:32:24 Advice for high earners deploying their first six figures 01:34:31 Have a thesis before you write a check Links: Foundation: gravywealth.com/foundation Full transcript: gravywealth.com/podcast/marlon-bonita-panel-framework-to-funding/transcript Owner Mode Memo: gravywealth.com/memo Owner Mode podcast: gravywealth.com/podcast DNA Assessment: go.gravywealth.com/DNA Disclaimer: This content is for educational and informational purposes only and reflects the personal experiences and opinions of the participants. Nothing here is investment, legal, tax, or financial advice, or a solicitation to buy or sell any security. Investing in private securities involves significant risk, including possible loss of principal, and past performance does not guarantee future results. Do your own research and consult your own professional advisors before making any investment decision.

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There are two kinds of people on this planet: earners and owners. And it all starts with an identity shift. That's where Owner Mode comes in. Owner Mode is the series for high-earning professionals who've built real careers and income, only to discover they may be climbing the wrong mountain. Host Brandon William Jones, founder and CEO of Gravy Wealth, sits down with luminaries like Mellody Hobson, top VC partners like a16z's Chris Lyons, founders who've built businesses from the ground up or through acquisition, and professionals who've built ownership on the side and made the calculated leap. These are the conversations that usually happen behind closed doors, diving into the real pathways and journeys that took them to the other side. If you're ready to shift into Owner Mode, you're in the right place.