Outside The Footnotes

Wendy

Outside the Footnotes is where a good story turns into a much bigger conversation. Hosted by Wendy and Klynn, each episode starts with something that grabs our attention — a strange piece of history, a true story, a cultural obsession, a bizarre event, or a rabbit hole we couldn't stop digging into. We tell each other the story, react to it in real time, get distracted, ask questions, laugh, disagree, and inevitably end up somewhere we didn't expect. Because the story is only the beginning. The real conversation lives in the footnotes — the overlooked questions, human behavior, contradictions, and uncomfortable truths hiding underneath what happened. No lectures. No pretending we have all the answers. Just two people who are endlessly curious about why people do the things they do. Stories worth getting lost in. Questions worth getting stuck on. Because sometimes what's missing from the conversation is where it gets interesting. Follow us on TikTok and Instagram at Outsidethefootnotes Follow our Substack Outsidethefootnotes Email us at Outsidethefootnote@gmail.com Music Composed by Joaquin Herreros https://www.fiverr.com/joaquinherreros

  1. 2d ago

    The Ghost, the Bones, and the Trap

    This week, KLynn takes the reins to tell the story of what may be America's first documented wrongful conviction — set in 1819 Manchester, Vermont. The case of Russell Colvin, a troubled man who vanished after a fight with his brothers-in-law, spiraled into a seven-year saga of ghost sightings, dubious bones, coerced confessions, and a death sentence — all for a "murder" where the victim was still alive. Sources Deming, Leonard. A Collection of Useful, Interesting, and Remarkable Events. Middlebury, VT: 1825. Google Books. https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=iPwNAAAAYAAJ&pg=GBS.PP1&hl=en. Haynes, Lemuel. Mystery Developed, or, Russell Colvin, (Supposed to Be Murdered,) in Full Life: And, Stephen and Jesse Boorn, (His Convicted Murderers,) Rescued from Ignominious Death by Wonderful Discoveries. Hartford: William S. Marsh, 1820. Cornell University Library Digital Collections. https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/sat3611. [1] McFarland, Gerald W. The "Counterfeit" Man: The True Story of the Boorn-Colvin Murder Case. New York: Pantheon Books, 1990. Sargeant, Leonard. The Trial, Confessions and Conviction of Jesse and Stephen Boorn for the Murder of Russell Colvin: And the Return of the Man Supposed to Have Been Murdered. Manchester, VT: Jan 1873. Google Books. https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=pxRQAQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.PP1&hl=en. TikTok / Instagram: @outsidethefootnotesYouTube: Outside the Footnotes PodcastSpotify: Video episodes availableSubstack: Written companion pieces by KLynn, https://outsidethefootnotepodcast.substack.com/Email: outsidethefootnote@gmail.com

  2. Sep 29

    OTF/ Wendy Wednesday - The Colorado Orange Sock Murders

    Two women. One night. And an orange sock that would sit in an evidence room for decades. In January 1982, Annette Schnee and Bobbi Jo Oberholtzer disappeared from the Colorado mountains on the same night. Their cases were initially treated as separate investigations, and for years, there were more questions than answers. In this Wendy Wednesday episode, Wendy tells Kristen the story of what happened to Annette and Bobbi Jo, how the investigation unfolded, and how a small piece of evidence found at Bobbi Jo’s crime scene eventually helped connect the two women. We talk about the suspects, the evidence, the twists in the investigation, and the technology that eventually brought investigators back to a case that had remained unsolved for nearly four decades. And then there’s the question that comes with any case like this: when an answer finally comes after so many years, does knowing who was responsible actually bring closure? Join us down the rabbit hole for The Orange Sock Murders.  Source Notes  ·         Colorado Bureau of Investigation — “Clear Creek County Man Arrested in Cold Case Homicides from 1982,” March 3, 2021 ·         Park County Sheriff’s Office — “After 40 Years a Park County Murder Conviction,” September 16, 2022 ·         CBS News / 48 Hours — “Last Seen in Breckenridge,” November 19, 2022; “How a Pair of Orange Socks Connected Two Colorado Cold Case Murders,” updated August 27, 2023 ·         Denver7 — “A Colorado Cold Case and the Chase for Closure,” July 10, 2020; “Arrest Made in 1982 Deaths of Two Young Women Near Breckenridge,” March 2, 2021; “Suspect Convicted in Two 1982 Murders in Mountains of Park County,” September 19, 2022; “Man Gets Life in Killings of 2 Colorado Women in 1982,” November 7, 2022 ·         Park County District Court proceedings and official reporting on the prosecution, verdict, and sentencing of Alan Lee Phillips, including the Park County Sheriff’s Office conviction release and contemporaneous Associated Press coverage ·         Current-status reporting consulted: CBS Colorado, “Man Recently Sentenced for 1982 Slayings of 2 Women Near Breckenridge Dies in Prison,” updated March 3, 2023; Denver7 Investigates, “Law Firm Intends to Sue CBI over Missy Woods’ Alleged Mishandling of Evidence in 1982 Double Homicide Case,” updated December 30, 2025. Support the show Email: Outsidethefootnote@gmail.com TikTok: Outsidethefootnotes Instagram: Outsidethefootnotes Substack: Outsidethefootnotes Music Composed by Joaquin Herreros https://www.fiverr.com/joaquinherreros

  3. Sep 28

    But Was It Your Fault?

    Send us Fan Mail Guilt is one of those feelings we all recognize, but do we really understand it? In this episode of Outside the Footnotes, Wendy and Klynn look at guilt from two very different—and surprisingly complicated—angles. Klynn takes us into Nazi Germany and Operation Bernhard, a secret counterfeiting operation that forced Jewish prisoners at Sachsenhausen concentration camp into an impossible choice: use their skills to help the regime that was trying to destroy them, or refuse and risk death. As they fought to survive, some also found ways to sabotage the operation from within. But survival came with a price—and for some, the guilt never went away. Then Wendy takes us into the Eastburn family murders, a true-crime case involving the murder of a mother and two young daughters and the survival of a toddler who was far too young to understand what had happened. As she grew older, Jana found herself carrying questions and feelings of guilt surrounding her survival, her lack of memories of her mother and sisters, and the connection she believed she should have had with them. From guilt born out of impossible choices to guilt we carry for things that were never ours to control, Wendy and Klynn talk about responsibility, survival, judgment, and the complicated ways guilt can stay with us. Because sometimes the hardest part isn't figuring out what happened. It's figuring out what we believe we should have done about it. Content warning: This episode includes discussion of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, murder, sexual assault, violent injuries, and guilt. The Eastburn Murders Source List: Supreme Court of North Carolina — State v. Hennis, 323 N.C. 279, 372 S.E.2d 523 (1988). U.S. Army — Hennis Court-Martial Begins at Fort Bragg, March 18, 2010. U.S. Department of Justice, Office of the Solicitor General — Hennis v. United States, Brief for the United States in Opposition, No. 20-301, filed December 9, 2020. U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces — United States v. Hennis, 79 M.J. 370 (C.A.A.F. 2020). U.S. Army Court of Criminal Appeals — United States v. Hennis, 75 M.J. 796 (A. Ct. Crim. App. 2016). Supreme Court of the United States — Hennis v. United States, No. 20-301, docket entry denying the petition for a writ of certiorari, January 11, 2021. U.S. Army — Hennis Found Guilty of Decades-Old Murders, April 9, 2010. Major reporting / interviews ABC News — Sean Dooley, Survivor of Triple Murder Grapples With Guilt: 'Why Didn't He Kill Me?' — September 15, 2010. ABC News — Andrew Paparella, For 2nd Time, Man Sentenced to Death for Murders — September 17, 2010. WRAL — Father, daughter tell of pain 1985 triple murder caused — April 9, 2010. The New Yorker — Nicholas Schmidle, Three Trials for Murder — published online November 6, 2011; November 14, 2011 issue. WRAL — Military Jury Finds Soldier Guilty in 1985 Triple Murder — April 8, 2010  Counterfeiters Story Sources: Central Intelligence Agency. (n.d.). Operation Bernhard and the SS Counterfeiting Network (Declassified Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act Files, Document No. DOC_0005548952). CIA Freedom of Information Act Electronic Reading Room. The National Archives (UK). (n.d.). Bank of England: Counterfeit Currency and Operation Bernhard (Secret Intelligence Service and MI5 Files, KV 2/2275). Kew, Richmond. Ruzowitzky, S. (Director). (2007). The Counterfeiters (Die Fälscher) [Film]. Sony Pictures Classics. Burger, A. (2009). The Devil's Workshop: A Memoir of the Nazi Counterfeiting Operation. Frontline Books. Support the show Email: Outsidethefootnote@gmail.com TikTok: Outsidethefootnotes Instagram: Outsidethefootnotes Substack: Outsidethefootnotes Music Composed by Joaquin Herreros https://www.fiverr.com/joaquinherreros

    But Was It Your Fault?
  4. Sep 23

    OTF Wendy Wednesday - The Honeymoon Murders

    Send us Fan Mail In 1979, Wanda Conkling and William “Willie” Cadwallader were preparing for a second honeymoon. They had reconciled, packed their bags, and were supposed to leave Kansas City for California the next morning. They never made it. In this OTF/Wendy Wednesday, I sit down with my mom, Brenda, to dig into a case that has stuck with investigators and the families involved for nearly five decades. Wanda and Willie were found murdered inside their home, with their packed suitcase still near the door. And despite years of investigation, their murders remain unsolved. One name quickly became difficult to ignore: Robert Gross, Wanda's former boyfriend. According to reporting discussed in the episode, Gross had continued contacting Wanda after their relationship ended and had intended to confront the couple before their trip. Investigators considered him a person of interest, but suspicion wasn't enough to bring murder charges. As my mom and I work our way through the case, we get into the missing dog, the open front door, the shotgun that was never recovered, possible connections to organized crime, and an investigation that even included an attempt to hypnotize a mail carrier. The more I learned about this case, the more questions I had. And after nearly five decades, we still don't have the one answer that matters most: Who killed Wanda and Willie? OTF/Wendy Wednesday — a mini episode from Outside the Footnotes. What’s missing from the discussion? This episode is presented for informational and discussion purposes. It addresses an unsolved double homicide and contains references to violence, stalking, and other potentially distressing material. The account is based on publicly available news reports, official federal records, and historical investigative information cited in the show notes. Some reported details, witness recollections, investigative theories, and timelines may be incomplete, disputed, or unproven. Robert Gross was convicted of federal interstate-stalking and firearms offenses, but he was never charged with or convicted of the murders of Wanda Conkling and William “Willie” Cadwalader. Nothing in this episode should be understood as a declaration of guilt regarding any uncharged crime. The case remains officially unsolved. Sources The Kansas City Star — "The first killings: Happy honeymooners. And a deadly love triangle." Ian Cummings, Glenn E. Rice and Tony Rizzo, October 28, 2018. Detailed reconstruction of the Conkling-Cadwalader murders, the relationship between Wanda and Robert Gross, the investigation, competing theories, and the evidence surrounding Gross.2.      The Kansas City Star — "How The Star exposed a serial killer who got away with murder for decades." Ian Cummings, Tony Rizzo and Glenn E. Rice, 2018. Background on the decades-long investigation into Gross and the extensive investigative records surrounding him. The title reflects the newspaper's characterization; Gross was not convicted of murder. 3.      The Kansas City Star — "Robert Gross true crime series: Hunting a serial killer." Series landing page for the newspaper's 2018 investigation, including reporting on the evidence examined and the FBI behavioral assessment. The Kansas City Star — "Son wonders why Robert Gross wasn't tried for his mother's murder." Shelly Yang, October 28, 2018. Reporting on Wanda's sons, their efforts to understand the case, and their questions about why Gross was never prosecuted for the murders.5.      The Kansas City Star — “Guilty on 8 counts: Suspected KC serial killer convicted of stalking, gun crimes.” May 15, 2019. Reporting on Gross's federal convictions and the reaction of Wanda Conkling's son Jason. Gross was convicted of interstate stalking and firearms offenses, not of Wanda and Willie's murders. 6.      The Kansas City Star — "Cheryl Morris disappeared in 1981 after rejecting Robert Gross." Video, October 28, 2018. Background on Morris's disappearance and the renewed police scrutiny of Gross. 7.      U.S. Attorney's Office, Western District of Missouri — “Jury Convicts KC Man of Illegal Firearms, Stalking.” May 15, 2019. Official account of Gross's conviction on two interstate-stalking counts and six firearms-related counts. 8.      U.S. Attorney's Office, Western District of Missouri — “KC Man Sentenced to 35 Years for Illegal Firearms, Stalking.” October 13, 2020. Official account of Gross's 35-year federal sentence without parole. Support the show Email: Outsidethefootnote@gmail.com TikTok: Outsidethefootnotes Instagram: Outsidethefootnotes Substack: Outsidethefootnotes Music Composed by Joaquin Herreros https://www.fiverr.com/joaquinherreros

    OTF Wendy Wednesday - The Honeymoon Murders
  5. Sep 21

    Power Trip

    Send us Fan Mail What happens when power goes unchecked? This week on Outside the Footnotes, Wendy and Klynn take on power—but not the quiet kind. Wendy looks at the Sackler family and Purdue Pharma, and how money, influence, and protection became intertwined with the opioid crisis. But this story isn't only about the people who held the power. It's also about the people who lost it—the patients, the families, and the loved ones who watched someone they cared about change, struggle, and sometimes die. Then Klynn takes us into the world of Bikram Choudhury, the founder of Bikram Yoga, and the story of how one man's influence grew into something much bigger. Her story explores what can happen when people put their trust in someone, that person gains enormous control, and nobody seems willing—or able—to challenge it. Two very different stories. Two very different kinds of power. And somewhere in the middle, we ask a bigger question: Is power something you take, something people give you, or something you can lose without even realizing you had it? Come get lost in the stories, the rabbit holes, the uncomfortable questions, and—of course—the conversation. What's missing from the discussion? If you or someone you love is struggling with drug addiction, help is available. SAMHSA’s National Helpline: 1-800-662-HELP (4357) is a free, confidential, 24/7 resource providing information, support, and referrals to treatment. You don’t have to figure out the next step alone. This document is provided for informational and commentary purposes only and is not legal or medical advice. It is based on publicly available sources identified below and distinguishes, where applicable, among allegations, admissions, judicial findings, and settlement terms. Allegations are not findings of liability, and readers should consult the cited primary materials for complete context and current status. The author makes no representation that this summary is exhaustive and recommends consulting a qualified professional for advice about any specific legal or medical matter. THE SACKLERS — SOURCE LIST EARLY HISTORY AND PHILANTHROPY SOURCES: Purdue-Frederick Company history and Sackler family histories documenting the 1952 acquisition, Arthur Sackler’s 1987 death, and the later transfer of his heirs’ interest; institutional histories from the Smithsonian, Harvard, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and the Royal Academy documenting their distinct gifts, collections, funded facilities, and naming arrangements. PRIMARY / GOVERNMENT SOURCES U.S. Department of Justice — Global Purdue Pharma & Sackler Resolution (2020) https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-global-resolution-criminal-and-civil-investigations-opioidCovers:  • Purdue Pharma's criminal guilty plea  • Civil allegations involving members of the Sackler family  • Purdue's opioid marketing practices  • High-volume prescribers  • Diversion of opioids  • Purdue's financial penalties  • Sackler family settlement FDA AND 2007 CASE SOURCES: U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Timeline of Selected FDA Activities and Significant Events Addressing Substance Use and Overdose Prevention, documenting OxyContin’s 1995 approval and the 2010 reformulation; United States v. The Purdue Frederick Company, Inc., Plea Agreement and Agreed Statement of Facts (W.D. Va., May 10, 2007), documenting the felony misbranding plea, the admitted marketing representations, and the financial penalties. U.S. Department of Justice — United States v. Purdue Pharmahttps://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-vns/case/united-states-v-purdue-pharma-lp Covers:  • Purdue's federal criminal case  • Fraud allegations and admissions  • Anti-Kickback Statute violations  • Payments to physicians  • Purdue's conduct involving opioid prescribing  • Criminal penalties U.S. Department of Justice — Purdue Pharma Pleads Guiltyhttps://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/opioid-manufacturer-purdue-pharma-pleads-guilty-fraud-and-kickback-conspiracies Covers:  • Purdue's 2020 guilty plea  • Three federal felony offenses  • Kickback allegations  • Misleading the DEA  • Marketing to questionable prescribers  • Financial penalties BANKRUPTCY AND SETTLEMENT SOURCES: Harrington v. Purdue Pharma L.P., 603 U.S. 204 (2024), decided June 27, 2024; January 23, 2025 attorney-general announcements describing the $7.4 billion settlement in principle; June 16, 2025 attorney-general announcements confirming that all 55 eligible states and U.S. territories had joined; and the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York’s November 18, 2025 Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order Confirming the Eighteenth Amended Joint Chapter 11 Plan of Reorganization of Purdue Pharma L.P. and Its Affiliated Debtors. PUBLIC-HEALTH AND HUMAN-IMPACT SOURCES: CDC, Understanding the Opioid Overdose Epidemic, reporting approximately 806,000 opioid-overdose deaths from 1999 through 2023; CDC and NIDA overdose trend data, reporting prescription-opioid deaths rising from 3,442 in 1999 to 17,029 in 2017 and declining to 13,026 in 2023; SAMHSA’s 2023 National Survey on Drug Use and Health and CDC’s related data brief, estimating about 5 million adults with opioid use disorder in 2023; and a 2024 NIDA, SAMHSA, and CDC study estimating that 321,566 U.S. children lost a parent to drug overdose from 2011 through 2021. The broader death and parental-loss figures include overdoses involving substances beyond prescription opioids and are presented as national context, not as deaths attributed solely to Purdue or OxyContin. -- Support the show Email: Outsidethefootnote@gmail.com TikTok: Outsidethefootnotes Instagram: Outsidethefootnotes Substack: Outsidethefootnotes Music Composed by Joaquin Herreros https://www.fiverr.com/joaquinherreros

    Power Trip
  6. Sep 16

    OTF/Wendy Wednesday: The Springfield Three

    Send us Fan Mail Three women. One house. No obvious struggle. And then…nothing. In this Wendy Wednesday mini episode, Wendy and Klynn dive into the unsolved disappearance of Cheryl Levitt, Susan “Susie” Streeter, and Stacy McCall—the Springfield Three. What happened after the women arrived at Susie’s home on the morning of June 7, 1992? Why were their belongings, cars, and even the family dog left behind? And how could three people disappear without leaving behind the answers investigators needed? Wendy and Klynn explore the known facts, the theories, the suspicious details, and the biggest question of all: What actually happened to the Springfield Three? An unsolved case, a whole lot of questions, and absolutely no shortage of rabbit holes. Disclaimer: This material is a good-faith summary of publicly available information concerning an unresolved missing-person investigation and is provided solely for informational, educational, and discussion purposes. It does not purport to present a complete investigative record, make factual findings, accuse any person of misconduct, or express a legal conclusion regarding responsibility. Any person named in connection with the case is presumed innocent of any criminal conduct related to the disappearances unless and until proven guilty in a court of law. References to suspects, persons of interest, alleged statements, motives, investigative leads, or theories are allegations or reported claims only and should not be understood as verified fact. Sources may contain errors, omissions, conflicting accounts, or information that has since changed. Readers should consult official records and qualified legal counsel before relying on this material for any legal, investigative, or publication decision. No legal advice is intended, and no guarantee is made as to the accuracy, completeness, or currentness of the information presented. This story draws on official case information from the Springfield Police Department, the FBI’s ViCAP listing, and the Missouri State Highway Patrol Missing Persons Database; reporting by KY3, including its 2021 case overview and later coverage; and secondary case histories from Unresolved, Ozarks True Crime, and The Charley Project. Official records are used for the women’s missing-person status and the continuing investigation, while claims about individual suspects, reported statements, and legal declarations are attributed to the secondary sources  Support the show Email: Outsidethefootnote@gmail.com TikTok: Outsidethefootnotes Instagram: Outsidethefootnotes Substack: Outsidethefootnotes Music Composed by Joaquin Herreros https://www.fiverr.com/joaquinherreros

    OTF/Wendy Wednesday: The Springfield Three

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Outside the Footnotes is where a good story turns into a much bigger conversation. Hosted by Wendy and Klynn, each episode starts with something that grabs our attention — a strange piece of history, a true story, a cultural obsession, a bizarre event, or a rabbit hole we couldn't stop digging into. We tell each other the story, react to it in real time, get distracted, ask questions, laugh, disagree, and inevitably end up somewhere we didn't expect. Because the story is only the beginning. The real conversation lives in the footnotes — the overlooked questions, human behavior, contradictions, and uncomfortable truths hiding underneath what happened. No lectures. No pretending we have all the answers. Just two people who are endlessly curious about why people do the things they do. Stories worth getting lost in. Questions worth getting stuck on. Because sometimes what's missing from the conversation is where it gets interesting. Follow us on TikTok and Instagram at Outsidethefootnotes Follow our Substack Outsidethefootnotes Email us at Outsidethefootnote@gmail.com Music Composed by Joaquin Herreros https://www.fiverr.com/joaquinherreros