The Vertical Reach Podcast

Pauline Gray

Hosted by Pauline Gray, an award-winning screenwriter and narrative strategist with over thirty years in commercial production, this podcast brings together the creators, innovators, and visionaries shaping the future of vertical film and microdrama. As a Marshall Scholar with dual master's degrees from the London School of Economics and the University of Bristol's Film & Television program, Pauline brings both academic depth and industry insight to every conversation. Through her studio, Pauline Gray Studios, she has championed vertical storytelling as a powerful medium for brands, streaming platforms, and cultural institutions — proving that short-form content can deliver cinematic precision and emotional intelligence. Each week, Pauline sits down with directors, writers, producers, platform executives, and creative leaders who are redefining how stories are told in a swipe-up world. Together, they explore the craft, strategy, and future of vertical content — from the creative process behind compelling microdramas to the business of building audiences in the mobile-first era. Whether you're a filmmaker looking to expand into vertical formats, a brand seeking to understand the power of short-form narrative, or a storytelling enthusiast curious about where the industry is headed, The Vertical Reach Podcast offers the insights, inspiration, and connections you need. Because great stories deserve to reach everyone — one vertical frame at a time.

  1. 6d ago ·  Video

    Episode 27: Mysti Cozart Smith: Building Faith & Family Films Her Way

    What do you do when someone offers you $2 million to change what your story stands for? Mysti Cozart Smith walked away. In this episode of The Vertical Reach Podcast, Pauline Gray sits down with the award-winning writer, producer, director, actress, and songwriter behind COZY Faith & Family Films. Mysti's path runs from nearly two decades in the Nashville music scene to the Tisch School of Film, and from 28 years in nursing to building her own studio in Texas, where she creates uplifting, family-friendly stories she is proud to put her name on. At the heart of this conversation is Mysti's testimony of faith. She shares how she was raised in her father's small-town church, how she drifted from her faith while chasing a music career, and how rededicating her life to God became the foundation for everything she creates today. Her faith and her values are her north star: they shape which stories she tells, which deals she takes, and which ones she walks away from. Her simple gut check says it all: would my husband, my dad, and my son be proud of this? For Mysti, reaching higher doesn't mean letting go of what grounds her. It means rising while staying rooted. In this episode, we talk about: Why she funds her own films instead of taking on investorsHow her faith-adjacent holiday romance Love Comes Home to Holly landed a distribution deal, and why she wrote it as a three-film franchiseAsh & Pine, her East Texas mystery series made for the whole family to watch togetherThe advice Willie Nelson gave her at 19: write what you knowThe story behind the COZY name and the father who inspired itHer motto: live deliberately, and never let a challenge become a defeatWhether you're an independent filmmaker, a creator wondering if you have to compromise to get ahead, or a viewer who wants stories the whole family can enjoy, this conversation is a reminder that you can reach higher without losing who you are. Be in the world, but don't live the drama. Connect with Mysti Cozart Smith: 🌐 Website: https://www.cozyfaithandfamilyfilms.com 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mochaandtheflame 🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mochaandtheflame 🎬 IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10947246/ ✉️ Email: info@cozyfaithandfamilyfilms.com

  2. Sep 29 ·  Video

    Episode 26. Pankaj Uniyal: What the Data Really Says About Vertical Dramas

    What does "data" actually mean in the world of vertical dramas, and how do the apps behind these short, addictive video dramas decide what to make, where to launch, and how to get paid? Pankaj Uniyal is the Business Development Lead for India and the US at SocialPeta, a global advertising intelligence platform. He works with mobile app, gaming, and short drama companies. Before SocialPeta, he worked with real-time market data at a global investment banking firm. That experience taught him that great stories need a sound business behind them to last. In this episode, Pauline asks the question many of us have been afraid to ask: what exactly is data? Pankaj explains it in plain terms. He covers why more than 60% of short drama content is in English, why North American viewers spend the most, and why "romance" means something very different to a 21-year-old than to someone over 50. He also explains one of the format's biggest advantages over traditional film and TV: creators can see how audiences respond to each episode and adjust the next one. We also dig into India's fast-growing market. In its early days, short drama there mostly meant Chinese dramas dubbed into other languages. Now a new wave of original stories is being made for specific regional languages and cultures. Pankaj walks through the three ways these apps make money right now: brand stories woven directly into the plotsmall pay-per-episode payments, made easy by India's fee-free UPI payment systemsubscriptionsHe also names the core teams every short drama company needs in order to grow. Whether you're a writer, producer, marketer, or just curious about where entertainment is heading, this conversation shows how data and storytelling work together. It also explains why early adopters who are willing to test new ideas stand to gain the most.

  3. Sep 22 ·  Video

    Episode 25. Dana Protsyshak: From a 15-Person Mixer to LA's Vertical Drama Market

    Heading to LA this November? LAVDM 3.0, the LA Vertical Drama Market, runs November 5 to 7, 2026 in Los Angeles. Get your tickets here: https://ticketbud.com/events/48dd3234-a0c1-11f1-bba2-42010a717021 It started with about 15 people at a mixer. Now it's the first industry event dedicated entirely to vertical drama. Pauline's very first podcast guest is back. Dana Protsyshak, founder of the LA Vertical Drama Market (LAVDM), returns to The Vertical Reach Podcast for a catch-up on everything that's happened since they first met for lunch just over a year ago, the same day as one of Dana's early mixers. Dana shares how a monthly meetup for people curious about vertical dramas (short, addictive video dramas made to be watched on your phone) grew into a market with 300+ attendees in its first year and 400+ people across three floors and 50+ events in its second. She also opens up about the summer that shook the industry, when AI arrived fast, productions paused or shut down, and even the people who thought they were ahead of the curve had to learn how to adapt. Pauline and Dana also get into: How AI is opening up new kinds of stories, from dragons to elves to fantasy romance, and why it still needs human creativityWhy script supervisors may be one of the most important roles in AI productionWhat "pivot or perish" means to Dana, and why staying committed to your choice mattersWhy brands have been slow to enter the vertical spaceDana's personal win: finishing her first novel after nine months of writing every dayDana also gives a first look at LAVDM 3.0 this November: more business panels on financing, marketing, and distribution; new roundtable discussions; speed networking; and a live-action boot camp where creators can bring a vertical script, work with a mentor, shoot their pilot on real studio sets, and present it to a live audience, all in three days. If you're a filmmaker, writer, actor, or creator curious about vertical storytelling, this is the room to be in. Don't miss it. 🎟️ LAVDM 3.0 | November 5–7, 2026 | Los Angeles  Tickets: https://ticketbud.com/events/48dd3234-a0c1-11f1-bba2-42010a717021 ABOUT DANA PROTSYSHAK  Dana Protsyshak is the founder of Dana Productions, the LA Vertical Drama Market (LAVDM), and Vert-I-Go Media, a creator- and community-friendly vertical drama platform. With 35+ vertical projects across writing, development, and production, she is one of the leading voices shaping vertical drama in North America. Through Dana Productions, she runs a writers' room spanning original development, adaptation, and localization, produces AI-driven vertical series, and evaluates series and creators for festivals, studios, and acquisition platforms. She is the author of four novels and the creator of OtheR, a dystopian series in development for both vertical and long-form formats. Dana also founded the VertIGo Vertical Pitch Competition and hosts the ongoing Vertical Mixers in Los Angeles. ABOUT THE VERTICAL REACH PODCAST  The Vertical Reach is about that moment when you stretch upward, personally and professionally, to meet what's above where you are. Host Pauline Gray, award-winning screenwriter and narrative strategist, talks with creators, founders, and storytellers who are reinventing themselves in real time. New episodes every Tuesday. Subscribe so you don't miss one.

  4. Sep 15 ·  Video

    Episode 24. Jen Parkhill: Poolboy & Breaking the Mold as a Queer Vertical Director

    From swinging a dolly on theater sets to directing some of the biggest vertical dramas on ReelShort — Jen Parkhill's path into this industry wasn't planned. It just took off. In this episode, award-winning filmmaker Jen Parkhill (JP, they/she) joins Pauline Gray to trace their journey from professional actor and Tisch School of the Arts theater training to becoming one of the most acclaimed directors in vertical storytelling. JP opens up about the leap from stage to screen, what theater taught them about pulling a single, committed take out of an actor, and the creative problem-solving that comes with directing on tight vertical-format budgets and schedules. We also get into the weight — and the honor — of being one of the first openly queer directors entrusted with a major LGBTQ vertical series, the responsibility that came with helming Poolboy, and why JP believes queer stories need queer creators behind the camera to get them right. JP speaks candidly about identity, representation, and the lifelong process of refusing to be boxed in — creatively, culturally, and personally. Looking ahead, JP shares what's next: developing original vertical series of their own, a recent writers' workshop through a Sundance and TikTok collaboration, and a long-held dream project — a girl-love story they're determined to bring to the screen. Whether you're new to vertical dramas or already know the genre, this conversation is a look at what it takes to build a directing career on instinct, craft, and refusing to fit the mold. About Jen Parkhill Jen Parkhill "JP" (they/she) is an award-winning filmmaker based in Los Angeles and Austin. A graduate of Tisch School of the Arts, NYU, and a proud member of the Latinx and LGBTQIA+ communities, JP's narrative approach is passionate, poetic, and playful, drawing on their background as a professional actor to cultivate inspired performances and holistic artistic collaboration. JP's vertical directing credits include a progression of award-winning YA vertical dramas for ReelShort: Waterboy (Vertical Drama of the Year, The Vertical Drama Love Fan Awards 2026), Poolboy (Best LGBTQ Vertical of the Year, The Vertical Critics Circle Awards), Stableboy, and Waterboy: Second Down, the first sequel created within ReelShort's Boys Love franchise. Connect with Jen Parkhill Website Directing Reel Instagram LinkedIn

  5. Sep 8 ·  Video

    Episode 23: Chris Wicke on Ember: 22 Films, 2 Billion Views, and AI's Shake-Up

    Chris Wicke, founder and CEO of vertical drama studio Ember, joins The Vertical Reach Podcast to talk about vertical drama, micro drama, and how generative AI is reshaping the vertical storytelling industry almost overnight. Chris built Ember from a single $70,000 vertical drama film for Flex TV into a studio behind 22 vertical films with a combined audience approaching 2 billion views, working alongside major vertical drama platforms like ReelShort and DramaBox. In this episode, Chris breaks down "gray boxing," a hybrid production technique where real actors are filmed against blank backdrops while AI generates the backgrounds and world around them, and explains why he expects the current rush toward fully AI-generated vertical drama content to eventually swing back toward live-action vertical storytelling. He and Pauline also dig into how two decades editing reality TV shows like Naked and Afraid prepared him for vertical drama production, the moment he realized vertical drama wasn't a lateral career move but a true vertical leap, and his advice for creators and editors weighing their own reinvention. Before Ember, Chris spent 25 years in entertainment, producing for networks and brands including Discovery, CNN, MTV, Samsung, Sony Music, and the History Channel. He was one of the first American producers to enter the vertical micro drama space, back in early 2023. That leap started with a strange Upwork post looking for "American filmmakers that like making movies very much" — a listing from Flex TV, a company already producing melodramatic, low-budget vertical soap operas in China and Eastern Europe. Chris took the gig, pulled every favor he had in Los Angeles to shoot a film on a $70,000 budget, and watched it earn $10 million in six weeks and reach tens of millions of viewers. That single project changed the trajectory of his career. Chris and Pauline talk through what's actually happening inside the industry right now: platforms moving anywhere from 75% to 100% AI-generated content almost overnight, the current estimate that the U.S. is about 18 months behind China's vertical drama industry, and recent signals — like ByteDance pulling back a large share of AI-generated titles from TikTok — that audiences may already be tiring of fully AI content. Chris explains why he thinks the pendulum will swing back toward live-action and hybrid production, even if the industry never fully returns to the frantic pace of the format's earlier boom years. They also get into "gray boxing," the hybrid technique Ember is using on upcoming projects — shooting real actors in a white or green room with AI-generated wardrobe, backgrounds, and even background characters layered in afterward. Pauline shares her own experience with a similar hybrid technique on a branded commercial project, and the two compare notes on how this approach is essentially replacing traditional CGI at a fraction of the cost. On the craft side, Chris reflects on what carried over from two decades as a reality TV editor and how that background — being scrappy, fast, and comfortable finding story in limited resources — turned out to be better preparation for vertical drama than a traditional scripted film background. He and Pauline also nerd out on the mechanics of reality editing: multi-camera reality shoots, how footage gets organized by camp and by story producer, and how that intense, story-driven editing process shaped his instincts once he moved into scripted vertical work. Chris also opens up about the industry-wide disruption that pushed him toward vertical drama in the first place — a wave of reality TV editors and producers going unexpectedly quiet on work in early 2023 — and the moment he realized this wasn't a lateral career move, but what Pauline calls a true "vertical reach." He shares his "permission slip" advice for anyone standing at their own reinvention point: that it's okay to start over, even at the bottom, and that continuously reinventing yourself is becoming a requirement across every industry, not just entertainment. Looking ahead, Chris teases what's next for Ember, including a shift toward acquiring IP and partnering with investors to produce slates of films rather than working purely as a vendor. He also previews upcoming titles: a branded vertical drama with Fox Entertainment called Saddled with My Nemesis, dropping September 22nd, along with NBA Dropout to Tennis Ace (originally titled Second Serve) on Flex TV, and Rise the Sun Without You on DramaBox. Whether you're following the vertical drama and micro drama industry closely, curious about how generative AI is reshaping entertainment production, or standing at your own reinvention point, this conversation is a real-time look at an industry — and a career — being built as it's lived.

  6. Aug 25 ·  Video

    Episode 21. Scott Di Lalla | From Chopper Town to Vertical Drama's Front Lines

    What does it actually take to shoot 15–20 pages a day? Scott Di Lalla started out making backyard documentaries, directed a Super 8 horror thriller, and spent years as a reality TV camera operator — then walked into vertical micro-drama production almost by accident, when a friend needed help on a project he couldn't fully explain. Scott didn't understand it either, until he saw the comments. In this episode, Scott breaks down what it's really like directing and producing vertical drama: the 25-minute location scouts with no tech scout, the blocking tricks that save hours on set (camera stacking, shooting "half-moon" or "taco" setups instead of multiple flips), and how he redesigns a scene's geography — moving furniture, repurposing doorways — to avoid re-lighting an entire room. He also talks candidly about the learning curve of moving from traditional directing to a format with its own language, pace, and rules. The conversation goes beyond craft, too — into why vertical storytelling earns attention differently than any other medium, how creator-to-audience power has flipped in a data-driven industry, and where Scott sees the space heading next: premium storytelling, new genres, and his new venture, Paintbox Shorts, built to bring underserved voices and cultures — including Black, Brown, and Spanish-speaking audiences — into the vertical space. Whether you're already working in verticals or wondering if this is your next pivot, Scott's approach to preparation, adaptability, and craft is a masterclass in making fast-moving production work for you. GUEST LINKS Connect with Scott Di Lalla: Instagram: @scottdilallaReel: vimeo.com/manage/videos/1218044850IMDb: imdb.com/name/nm2010464LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/scottdilallaAFOLLOW THE VERTICAL REACH PODCAST Instagram: @verticalreachpodcastFacebook: The Vertical Reach Podcast

  7. Aug 19 ·  Video

    Episode 20: Married on Set: Quinn & Morgan Gardner on Building Verticals Together

    What does it look like when a husband-and-wife team runs a set together — and runs a household together, too? Quinn and Morgan Gardner are that team. Quinn is a Showrunner and Director ("Bound by Blood"), a Producer and 1st AD (PocketFM's "Insta-Empire"), and an AD on Vigloo's "Shaping Soulmates" — alongside feature work like "Marriage Bites," "Don't Answer," and "Amy's F-It List," plus credits on "One Battle After Another," "Chasing Mavericks," "Unsolved Mysteries," "Will Trent," and commercials for Toyota, Ford, Adidas, Apple, and Google. Morgan is a Key Hair & Makeup Artist and Special FX Makeup Artist across the same world of verticals and features, including "Insta-Empire," "Mistress Manager," "Don't Answer," and the upcoming horror comedy "Come Back Alive," plus commercial work for Honda, Toyota, Thuma, and Jackson Rancheria Casino. In this episode, Quinn and Morgan talk about how the vertical drama boom found them, what a real shoot day looks like when you're packing 27 pages into 24 hours, and how they've built a life — and now a family — around an industry that rarely stops moving. They get into pivoting without perishing, what it means to give your crew "permission" to speak up, and a first look at their upcoming Celtic-mythology horror project, "Come Back Alive." Whether you're balancing a creative partnership of your own or just curious what it takes to make verticals at this pace, this conversation is equal parts masterclass and love story. Connect with Quinn Gardner: WebsiteInstagramFacebookIMDbConnect with Morgan Gardner: WebsiteInstagramTikTok

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Hosted by Pauline Gray, an award-winning screenwriter and narrative strategist with over thirty years in commercial production, this podcast brings together the creators, innovators, and visionaries shaping the future of vertical film and microdrama. As a Marshall Scholar with dual master's degrees from the London School of Economics and the University of Bristol's Film & Television program, Pauline brings both academic depth and industry insight to every conversation. Through her studio, Pauline Gray Studios, she has championed vertical storytelling as a powerful medium for brands, streaming platforms, and cultural institutions — proving that short-form content can deliver cinematic precision and emotional intelligence. Each week, Pauline sits down with directors, writers, producers, platform executives, and creative leaders who are redefining how stories are told in a swipe-up world. Together, they explore the craft, strategy, and future of vertical content — from the creative process behind compelling microdramas to the business of building audiences in the mobile-first era. Whether you're a filmmaker looking to expand into vertical formats, a brand seeking to understand the power of short-form narrative, or a storytelling enthusiast curious about where the industry is headed, The Vertical Reach Podcast offers the insights, inspiration, and connections you need. Because great stories deserve to reach everyone — one vertical frame at a time.