What if work doesn’t have to be something you love every minute—but it also doesn’t have to leave you feeling disconnected from yourself? In this episode of The Element of PLAY, Jodi Salmond explores work, leadership, flow and personal growth with Tony Tenaglier. Drawing on experiences in marine science, workplace leadership, and yoga, Tony shares why meaningful work starts with understanding what matters to you, creating the right conditions for people to succeed, and learning when to step back. Together, they explore the difference between simply chasing outcomes and paying attention to how we get there. From listening to frontline workers and making room for safe failure to finding clarity through nature, yoga and journaling, this conversation challenges us to rethink how we work, lead and live. Because play isn’t just about having fun. It’s also about exploration, experimentation and giving ourselves the space to discover what’s possible. Why work doesn’t have to be perfect: How to question what could improve without falling into unrealistic self-help expectations. What makes leadership more effective: Why listening to frontline teams, providing support and encouraging ownership can create a stronger workplace. Why the process matters as much as the outcome: How examining the way we work—and correcting mistakes early—helps teams learn and improve. How to find your flow: Why clear goals, immediate feedback and a balance between challenge and skill can help you become fully absorbed in an activity. Why recovery is part of performance: How stepping away from intense engagement can restore clarity and help prevent burnout. How nature and yoga create perspective: Why experiences like surfing, diving, stillness and time outdoors can help us reconnect with ourselves. What difficult experiences can teach us about our values: How workplace challenges can reveal what matters most, including accountability and fairness. How small daily practices can shift your focus: Why journaling and writing down three things you appreciate each day can help you notice more than what’s going wrong. Take a few minutes each day to write down three things you appreciate. They don’t have to be big achievements. Notice the small things that brought you joy, helped you through a difficult moment, or reminded you of what matters. Then share those appreciations with someone else. Sometimes, reconnecting with what’s good begins with simply giving it our attention. Tony Tenaglier is an aerospace quality manager, PhD researcher in Industrial-Organizational Psychology, author, podcaster and 500-hour registered yoga teacher. His work sits at the intersection of meaningful work, leadership, flow, burnout, self-awareness and the question of what work should actually feel like. He hosts Work Sucks, But I Like It, a podcast exploring careers, leadership, workplace culture, flow, purpose and meaningful work. He is also the author of The Impression of a Good Life: Finding Your Song and Dance and Don’t Let Life Pass You By: Win the Game of Work and Play, with In a Rush to Go Nowhere extending his thinking into yoga, stillness and the internal work behind how we live and work. Links: Website: Work Sucks, But I Like It Podcast: Work Sucks, But I Like It on Apple Podcasts Spotify: Work Sucks, But I Like It on Spotify Connect with Jodi Salmond: 🌐 Website: https://elementofplay.com 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jodi-salmond/ 📱 Instagram: https://instagram.com/the_elementofplay 📘 Facebook: https://facebook.com/theelementofPLAY 💼 Company LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/the-element-of-play🎥 YouTube: The Element of PLAY📩 Bookings & Interviews: elementofplaypodcast@gmail.com