What does it take to grow a business from two founders to a team of roughly 40 people and $4.5 million in projected annual revenue? For Ryan Cooper, Chief Revenue Officer at Set to Close, the answer comes down to: Building the right systemsHiring the right peopleCreating a culture where everyone has a stake in the company's success.Ryan and his business partner, Jordan, built Set to Close after discovering a problem that many businesses overlook: revenue leakage. Companies invest in marketing, generate leads, and book sales meetings, but opportunities slip away when follow-up is inconsistent, processes live in employees' heads, and nobody can clearly see where deals are falling through the cracks. In this conversation, Ryan explains how revenue operations helps businesses connect their people, processes, and technology to create more consistent growth. He shares how Set to Close uses its own methods to guide its expansion, why empowering employees matters as much as hiring talented people, and how a commitment to culture and community helped the company pursue B Corp certification. Ryan also gets candid about bootstrapping a business, weathering sleepless nights, finding the right business partner, and learning to lead when other people's livelihoods depend on your decisions. His advice for aspiring entrepreneurs is refreshingly direct: build a plan around your long-term vision, choose your partners carefully, and take action. You won't get everything right the first time, but you can learn, adapt, and keep moving forward. In this episode, you'll learn: How to identify and prevent revenue leakage in your business.Why documented processes make growth less dependent on individual employees.Why culture, employee development, and shared ownership matter as a business scales.How to balance today's operational demands with tomorrow's strategic goals.Three practical lessons for entrepreneurs ready to build something of their own.Key takeaways 1. Revenue leakage can undermine even successful marketing. Generating leads and booking meetings are only the beginning. If businesses fail to follow up, deliver quotes, nurture undecided prospects, or manage the next steps, potential revenue disappears. Growth requires understanding what happens throughout the customer journey. 2. Get the process out of people's heads and into the business. Experienced employees often develop effective ways of working, but undocumented knowledge makes a company dependent on individuals. Standardized processes, sequences, and metrics make it easier to onboard new employees and replicate successful practices. 3. Use data to grow deliberately, not just aggressively. Ryan describes using lead flow, conversion rates, forecasting, and operating metrics to determine when Set to Close needed additional salespeople and operational staff. The goal was to avoid both overhiring and being understaffed during busy periods. 4. Your first hires help determine what kind of company you become. Ryan emphasizes that early employees shape not only productivity but also the culture. Technical ability matters, but so do values, collaboration, role fit, and whether the company can help employees achieve their career goals. 5. Growth and a people-first culture can reinforce each other. Set to Close's stated value, “Never Walk Alone,” reflects a collaborative approach to solving problems and supporting employees. Timestamps 00:42 — The Problem That Inspired the Business How Ryan's experience in outsourced sales development revealed that booking meetings wasn't necessarily the problem. The real challenge was what happened afterward, when leads and sales opportunities fell through the cracks. 04:54 — Where Small Businesses Lose Revenue Chris illustrates how an HVAC company can lose a valuable opportunity when a lead isn't followed up on, a quote goes unanswered, or a prospective customer never hears back. 06:28 — Building a Business Around Systems, Not Superstars Ryan describes launching Set to Close with Jordan and their goal of reducing guesswork through consistent processes, trackable performance, and repeatable onboarding. 11:31 — Give Salespeople More Time to Sell Why the goal isn't necessarily to replace a successful salesperson's approach, but to eliminate unnecessary administrative work and automate parts of the follow-up process. 13:20 — Scaling the Team Through Better Forecasting Ryan discusses the company's growth, its use of standardized metrics, and how it plans hiring around lead flow, conversions, and anticipated demand. 16:28 — Practice What You Preach Ryan explains why Set to Close tests its own operational methods internally. 18:19 — The Ingredients Behind Rapid Growth Ryan credits an aligned business partnership, a willingness to work hard, strong early hires, and a culture of innovation and collaboration. 21:13 — Hiring People Who Make the Business Better A discussion of employee empowerment, cultural fit, recruitment, and creating career development opportunities that benefit both the employee and the company. 25:16 — Bootstrapping, Faith, and the Tough Early Days Ryan opens up about building a business without outside investors, navigating uncertain early months, and relying on faith and persistence through difficult stretches. 28:20 — Making Time for Strategy and New Ideas How structured planning, team feedback, and stepping away from a problem can all contribute to better decisions and unexpected breakthroughs. 32:42 — Building Toward $4.5 Million and Beyond Ryan shares that the company is on pace for approximately $4.5 million in revenue and discusses its ambitions to surpass $10 million as it continues to grow. 34:10 — How Entrepreneurship Changes You Ryan reflects on moving from sales into business leadership and realizing that decisions affect not only the founders, but the people who depend on the company for their livelihoods. 36:06 — Building a Culture Where Nobody Walks Alone The story behind Set to Close's “Never Walk Alone” value, its collaborative culture, and the importance of supporting employees beyond their initial onboarding. 38:59 — Why B Corp Certification Matters Ryan discusses the company's decision to pursue certification as a way to demonstrate and externally validate its commitments to employees, communities, and the environment. 42:55 — Three Lessons for Aspiring Entrepreneurs Ryan's closing advice: plan backward from your vision, choose the right business partner, and take action even when mistakes and setbacks are inevitable. The Throughline Good systems help people do their best work. There's a tendency in small business to celebrate the superstar salesperson, the founder who seems to do everything, or the employee who has memorized every step of a complicated process. Those people can be enormously valuable. But when too much of a company's success depends on what lives inside one person's head, growth becomes difficult to replicate. Ryan's perspective offers a useful alternative: 1. Document the process 2. Make follow-up consistent 3. Measure what's happening 4. Remove administrative friction 5. Then give talented people the freedom to focus on the work where they contribute the most value. That same principle applies to culture. Ryan and Jordan didn't simply build a revenue operations business; they also thought deliberately about the kind of workplace they wanted to create. Their emphasis on employee development, collaboration, and shared responsibility is a reminder that scaling isn't just about adding headcount. It's about building an organization that can grow without losing its sense of purpose. Ryan's advice isn't a complicated formula or a promise of overnight success. It's a plan, the right partner, and action. Those three ideas are accessible to a business owner at almost any stage. You don't have to build a 40-person company to benefit from Ryan's approach. Start by finding one place where opportunities are slipping away, one process that exists only in someone's head, or one administrative task keeping your best people from doing their best work. Fixing that one thing can be a meaningful step toward a business that is easier to manage, more resilient, and better prepared to grow. Need Help Growing Your Business? PostcardMania helps small businesses grow through education, marketing, and technology. 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