Different Points Podcast

Roy Coughlan & Catherine Llewellyn at Podfather Network

A podcast in short bursts. Each episode poses one question, and two people answer it from where they actually stand. Roy Coughlan (The Podfather) and Catherine Llewellyn (Beingspace.world) sit on different sides of most things — life experience, worldview, the way they arrive at an answer. Different Points isn't about reaching agreement. It's about hearing two honest responses to the same question, side by side, in under 10 minutes. No script, no debate to win. Just one question, two points of view, and whatever truth sits between them. New episodes drop Monday through Friday. Pick a question, press play, and see where you land.

  1. 6h ago

    #52 When to Push and When Not to Push

    In this episode, Roy and Catherine answer a listener request from Anthony Semeroff, a three-time guest on Catherine’s other show, who asked when to push and when not to push. Roy takes it as a question about pushing himself. He has goals in his business and pushes towards them, but he has learned to notice when the battery is going down and not fight through it. He gives last week as an example: Thursday was incredible and he got a huge amount done, then on Friday he was at 20 percent, so he didn’t push and simply accepted it. Catherine says she has a tendency to overpush until she collapses, and she is practising not doing that. For her the key is whether she is pushing for something or against something. If she pushes when she shouldn’t, she is fighting her own energy and intuition, and that is when it doesn’t work. On a project she pushes when there is traction and momentum, but when everything is failing it’s the time to analyse why, decide whether to stop or revive it, and push again once it gains traction. She also applies this to coaching: you don’t push someone unless they have contracted with you to do so, in a fully informed way, and you don’t keep pushing after the push they asked for. She wants no one to push her unless she has asked, and says the same applies in personal and work relationships, and for coaches and therapists. She closes by inviting listeners to notice what they are pushing today, whether it feels constructive or like fighting something, and, without pushing, to tell people about the show. Timestamps 0:02 - Welcome and today’s question from Anthony Semeroff: when to push and when not to push 0:49 - Roy: pushing yourself, watching your energy and accepting low days 1:49 - Catherine: pushing for vs against, projects with traction and pushing in coaching 5:54 - Sign-off Roy Coughlan · The Podfather Network Website: https://roycoughlan.com/ Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/ Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academy Brain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/ The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/ EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/ Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/ Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore 🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community ✦ Website: https://beingspace.world ✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com ✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/ ✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn ✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/ ✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld #DifferentPoints #WhenToPush #Energy #Coaching #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan The transcript spells the listener’s name “Semeroff” and I couldn’t check it, so confirm the spelling before posting.

  2. 1d ago

    #51 One Small Step Today

    In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask what one small step you will take today. Catherine says she takes lots of small steps, but the one that matters right now is part of getting back into a good rhythm between work, relaxation, looking after her home, time with friends and her health. Today she is trying out a new version of that rhythm, and she started it by getting up at six, well before usual. Being ahead of the day makes it easier to fit in the small jobs, like the dishwasher and laundry, around her work and keep a flow going. Roy says that with so many businesses and so many balls in the air, he can feel overwhelmed by everything that looks important. His step today was to pick the big task first, the “eat the frog” approach, waking up at five to do it, and not adding more on top. He plans to focus on one or two money-making priorities at a time for the week, since hopping between three or four means none of them get finished and they just stay on the list. For him, the small step is the one that leads to the big steps. Timestamps 0:02 - Welcome and today’s question: one small step today 0:25 - Catherine: getting up at six and trying a new daily rhythm 2:16 - Roy: eating the frog and focusing on one priority at a time 3:28 - Closing thoughts and sign-off Roy Coughlan · The Podfather Network Website: https://roycoughlan.com/ Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/ Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academy Brain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/ The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/ EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/ Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/ Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore 🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community ✦ Website: https://beingspace.world ✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com ✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/ ✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn ✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/ ✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld #DifferentPoints #OneSmallStep #Focus #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan

  3. 2d ago

    #50 What Does a Good Life Mean

    In this episode, Roy and Catherine reach their 50th episode and ask what a good life means. Roy thanks listeners for coming back and says the show is doing well in the charts and downloads. For him, a good life is about being present, not about owning a beautiful house or a fancy car that never breaks down, a point he makes after his own car broke down at the weekend. It is the people you surround yourself with, being close to family and loved ones, and enjoying and nourishing yourself with good food, not junk and energy drinks. Catherine says there isn’t one good life for everybody. Some of her friends define it as skiing every year, homes in London, the country and abroad, several cars, private schools and staff, and for them that is a good life, until they realise it has become a burden to manage and no longer fits. She shares a recent epiphany: she had been working very hard towards something, realised she didn’t actually want it, let it go, and her whole life changed from a drudge to something beautiful, because her life was already good in the way she wanted it. Roy adds that he loves cooking and putting love into food for the people he feeds, while a friend who eats out or has food made for him is missing something that is part of Roy’s good life. Catherine agrees, saying she would often rather eat her own cooking at home than go out for a meal. She closes by asking what a good life is for you, whether you are living it, and if not, what adjustments, even negotiations with the people in your life, you could make. Timestamps 0:02 - Welcome and today’s question: what is a good life 0:29 - Roy: reaching episode 50 and what a good life means to him 1:41 - Catherine: everyone’s good life is different, and letting go of what she didn’t want 4:07 - Roy: cooking and nourishing the soul 4:40 - Closing thoughts and sign-off Roy Coughlan · The Podfather Network Website: https://roycoughlan.com/ Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/ Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academy Brain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/ The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/ EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/ Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/ Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore 🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community ✦ Website: https://beingspace.world ✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com ✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/ ✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn ✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/ ✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld #DifferentPoints #GoodLife #Episode50 #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan

  4. 3d ago

    #49 A Question to End Each Day

    In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask what question ends your day. Catherine has two. The practical one is what she is doing tomorrow, which she checks or sets so she knows where her focus will go. The one she asks while winding down is how she feels about her day and her life, and whether things feel right. If something doesn’t, she uses a technique she was taught years ago called dream programming. She relaxes in bed, reflects briefly, then drops a request into her subconscious, such as asking it to resolve this overnight or give her clarity for the morning, and lets it go. She often wakes up with clarity, or a sense that something has resolved itself on a deeper level during the night. Roy says he does something similar when he wants an answer, but rarely, since he is usually crashing at the end of the day. He used to write his to-do list the night before and now sometimes writes it that morning, waking up naturally early and getting things done. He sometimes reflects on whether he enjoyed his day, but most of his thinking and strategising about his businesses happens while out on a walk, not at a set time at night. Catherine adds that with clients working on a gradual shift, they sometimes agree a specific end-of-day question tied to that project, so they notice subtle changes day to day, and she has made that a discipline for herself when working on something for a period of time. Timestamps 0:02 - Welcome and today’s question: a question to end each day 0:20 - Catherine: what am I doing tomorrow, how do I feel about my day, and dream programming 2:26 - Roy: to-do lists, reflecting on his day and thinking on walks 3:29 - Catherine: project-specific questions with clients 4:25 - Closing thoughts and sign-off Roy Coughlan · The Podfather Network Website: https://roycoughlan.com/ Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/ Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academy Brain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/ The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/ EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/ Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/ Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore 🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community ✦ Website: https://beingspace.world ✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com ✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/ ✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn ✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/ ✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld #DifferentPoints #EndOfDayQuestion #DreamProgramming #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan

  5. 4d ago

    #48 Choosing Joy Intentionally

    In this episode, Roy and Catherine talk about what brings them joy and whether we can choose it on purpose. Roy’s joy comes from being around loved ones and being present with them. This weekend that meant cooking with his son and taking him fishing again, watching him get his hook caught in a tree and reel in seaweed, plus walks and conversations with him and phone calls with his mum. He also finds joy when people spread the word about him, like a recent case where someone in a business group told a stranger to talk to him, and it turned into a client. Catherine says a lot of things bring her joy, and often it comes from an unexpected miracle. She describes waking up to a tree outside her window full of tiny birds singing and dancing on the branches, like a tree decorated with singing ornaments. She also shares what happens when she puts a chicken carcass out on the grass: small birds arrive first, then ants, then bigger birds, and finally a bird of prey whose wingspan fills the glass door as it swoops down and takes it without touching the ground. Her other great source of joy is client sessions where someone shares something unexpected that they have done or realised, including a group who told her that the work they did on energy in organisations helped them save 2,000 redundancies. She takes no credit, but loves that the way they worked together opened something up. Roy adds that he loves watching nature outside his windows too, the foxes, pheasants, ants, the occasional hedgehog and, for the first time, a mouse darting out for scraps. Catherine closes by asking whether you can choose joy intentionally today, and do it for someone else, since other people benefit when you do. Timestamps 0:02 - Welcome and today’s topic: choosing joy intentionally 0:21 - Roy: joy in time with his son, family and friends, and people spreading the word 1:34 - Catherine: birds in the tree, the carcass on the grass and unexpected miracles with clients 5:03 - Roy: watching nature outside his windows 5:44 - Closing thoughts and sign-off Roy Coughlan · The Podfather Network Website: https://roycoughlan.com/ Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/ Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 50 Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academy Brain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/ The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/ EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/ Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/ Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore 🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community ✦ Website: https://beingspace.world ✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com ✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/ ✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn ✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/ ✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld #DifferentPoints #ChoosingJoy #Joy #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan

  6. 5d ago

    #47 What We’re Unlearning

    In this episode, Roy and Catherine ask what they’re each unlearning. Catherine starts by questioning the premise itself, wondering whether saying “I’m ready to unlearn this” is ever really true, since for her unlearning usually only becomes visible after it’s already happened rather than before. She gives two concrete examples from starting her podcast: she’d developed a slow, deliberate, slightly deeper speaking style from years of running groups and coaching, which worked in that context but put podcast listeners to sleep before the episode ended, forcing her to notice and undo it. She also had to unlearn the conversational habit of building on what someone else was saying, since solo episodes meant there was no one to respond to, and she had to find a different way of carrying a show by herself. Her conclusion is that no one really knows what they need to unlearn until they’re already in the middle of unlearning it. Roy frames his unlearning around belief systems shaped by real-world events: during Ireland’s Celtic Tiger years he believed the government was the best thing going, building roads and hospitals, only to later conclude the opposite. He describes a similar process around 2020, when he had to unlearn the belief that what was being pushed on everyone was actually good for them, piecing it together by bringing on different guests, researchers and scientists and reading extensively, even while facing pushback from people who initially disagreed with him before more of them came around. Catherine adds that she didn’t personally have to unlearn that particular belief, having been raised in a natural health environment with no vaccinations or conventional medicine, so the idea that the body is designed to heal itself was never new to her. But she watched many people around her go through that exact revelation, often as a genuine shock, since they’d been raised to believe the body left alone would simply fall apart, and she makes a point of naming how painful that specific unlearning process actually was for people, rather than pretending it’s easy. Timestamps 0:02 — Introduction and today’s question: what we’re unlearning 0:25 — Catherine: unlearning her podcast speaking style and the habit of building on a conversation partner 2:41 — Roy: unlearning belief in government and what was pushed on everyone in 2020 3:55 — Catherine: watching others unlearn that the body heals itself, and the pain of that process Roy Coughlan · The Podfather Network Website: https://roycoughlan.com/ Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/ Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academy Brain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/ The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/ EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/ Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/ Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore 🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community ✦ Website: https://beingspace.world ✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com ✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/ ✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn ✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/ ✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld #DifferentPoints #WhatWereUnlearning #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan

  7. 6d ago

    #46 Everyday Spiritual Practices

    In this episode, Roy and Catherine share how they actually practice presence day to day. Roy describes his approach as having evolved over the years into appreciating the earth, the sun, and the food grown from both, staying grateful for what sustains him and paying close attention while he’s out walking, enough that he notices when he feels out of sync and knows to step back, take a break, read, or simply stop staring at a computer. He’s not attached to any particular belief system, has friends across many religions, and sees everyone as part of a shared collective regardless of what they individually believe, with presence itself being the real practice rather than any fixed ritual. Catherine agrees and adds that remembering we’re all part of the same collective, no matter our beliefs, is itself a spiritual practice, one she has to actively choose, especially since she lives and works alone much of the time and can start to feel isolated before catching herself and remembering she’s actually connected to everything and everyone. She describes a deliberately playful technique she uses: sitting and telling herself, as if it were true, that nobody likes her, nobody cares, nobody wants to talk to her, and finding that within seconds laughter bubbles up because her body already knows it’s false, which is exactly the point, the exercise snaps her back to what’s actually true rather than what she’s spiraling into. She contrasts this with wallowing in boredom, loneliness, or lack, something everyone gets stuck in sometimes, noting that even her brother used a similar discipline as a kid, cataloguing what’s wrong then deciding what to actually do next. Alongside that mental practice, she names physical daily habits that pull her back into presence: stretching and feeling grateful for having a body, yin yoga, walking, dancing, and simply watching the sunrise or sunset. Timestamps 0:02 — Introduction and today’s topic: everyday spiritual practices 0:29 — Roy: gratitude for the earth and sun, and noticing when he’s out of sync 1:56 — Catherine: the collective, the “nobody likes me” game, and daily grounding habits Roy Coughlan · The Podfather Network Website: https://roycoughlan.com/ Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/ Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academy Brain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/ The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/ EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/ Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/ Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore 🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community ✦ Website: https://beingspace.world ✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com ✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/ ✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn ✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/ ✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld #DifferentPoints #EverydaySpiritualPractices #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan

  8. Oct 24

    #45 Living Your Values

    In this episode, Roy asks Catherine point blank: are you living your values? Catherine says she’s doing her best, and that the honest answer involves two shifting things, she feels she lives from her values more as time passes, but also notices more clearly when she doesn’t, while becoming more forgiving of herself either way. She used to treat living your values as an all-or-nothing standard, where any slip counted as failure, but now sees her own human frailty as part of the point of having a life at all, since the whole purpose of being human rather than some disembodied spirit floating in the cosmos is to practice living from values and keep discovering what they actually are. She shares a specific moment from the previous morning, waking up with a fresh, first-day-of-life feeling and suddenly recognizing a way she’d been fighting herself, pushing for something she didn’t really want or care about, and the instant she let that go, the whole day opened up differently. For her, that kind of recognition isn’t about catching a failure, it’s a small awakening, part of an ongoing, organic unfolding rather than a fixed destination, and she notes that being stretched in life is exactly what reveals how courageous you really are and how closely you’re actually following your values. Roy responds that sometimes living your values isn’t even a conscious act, other people observing you and naming what they see is often what makes you aware of it yourself, similar to the ripple effect they’ve discussed before. He also frames staying aligned with your values as something you adjust in real time when life throws a curveball, using the image of taking a wrong side street, meeting an oncoming oil tanker, and simply reversing back to the main road as his metaphor for correcting course without losing the thread of who you’re trying to be. Timestamps 0:02 — Introduction and today’s question: are you living your values 0:16 — Catherine: self-forgiveness, the morning realization, and the unfolding journey 3:11 — Roy: values others see in you, and adjusting course when life throws a curveball Roy Coughlan · The Podfather Network Website: https://roycoughlan.com/ Virtual Assistants: https://va.world/ Private Networking Group: Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 47+ Countries with 700+ Members https://connectedleaders.academy Brain Upgrade: https://brainupgrade.org/ The Authority Alliance: A Foundation of Experts — community for entrepreneurs, coaches, and thought leaders to connect, collaborate, and grow their authority together: https://theauthorityalliance.com/ EMF Protection: https://protectfromemf.org/ Health & Wellness: https://podfather.thefrequencyawakening.com/ Make the most of your calling. Book an Exploratory Call with Catherine: https://beingspace.world/#explore 🤝 Join Catherine’s Being Space Community ✦ Website: https://beingspace.world ✦ Podcast: https://truthandtranscendence.com ✦ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinellewellynbeingspace/ ✦ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BEINGSPACEcatherinellewellyn ✦ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/beingspace.world/ ✦ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BeingSpaceWorld #DifferentPoints #LivingYourValues #Podcast #BeingSpace #CatherineLlewellyn #RoyCoughlan

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A podcast in short bursts. Each episode poses one question, and two people answer it from where they actually stand. Roy Coughlan (The Podfather) and Catherine Llewellyn (Beingspace.world) sit on different sides of most things — life experience, worldview, the way they arrive at an answer. Different Points isn't about reaching agreement. It's about hearing two honest responses to the same question, side by side, in under 10 minutes. No script, no debate to win. Just one question, two points of view, and whatever truth sits between them. New episodes drop Monday through Friday. Pick a question, press play, and see where you land.