How Work Works

Zest

How Work Works is a podcast that dives into the conversations shaping people, culture, leadership, and the future of work.

Episodes

  1. 5d ago

    Why Great Systems Create Great Workplaces With Cindy Gan

    Cindy Gan has spent more than twenty years in people and culture, from recruiting for the Air Force to leading generalist teams spanning strategy, payroll, systems and safety. Along the way she noticed something: almost every people problem, when you trace it back far enough, comes down to process, and the systems built on top of it. In this episode, Kat and Cindy unpack why great systems create great workplaces, and why a new system almost never fixes a broken process. They talk through what actually makes an HR or payroll implementation succeed (the right people at the table early, proper resourcing, and process mapping before procurement) and the common trap of signing on the dotted line before anyone checks whether the system can handle the organisation's real-world exceptions. They also get into the HR tech ecosystem and why no single system does everything, what changes when leaders finally trust their data, the employee experience cost of clunky systems, and the reliance-on-systems risk that leaves organisations exposed when the one person who knew how everything worked walks out the door. Plus, Cindy's take on what AI will and won't do for HR technology, and why payroll won't be running itself any time soon. If you're weighing up a new system, or trying to get more out of the one you already have, Cindy's advice is simple: trust, but verify. Give your systems the same regular health check you give everything else. Follow the Podcast: Subscribe: 🔗 ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@zesthr⁠⁠⁠ Website: 🔗 ⁠⁠⁠https://zesthr.au/⁠⁠⁠ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro and welcome to How Work Works, meet Cindy Gan 0:50 Cindy's path: from Air Force recruitment to HR systems 2:30 Why strong foundations matter more than the shiny stuff 5:00 The biggest misconception: a new system fixes your problems 5:50 Why the right people get involved far too late 7:30 The key ingredients for a successful implementation 10:25 Assessing the HR tech ecosystem: why no single system does it all 13:20 What changes when you finally trust your data 14:35 The employee experience side of getting systems right 17:05 Questions executives should ask before buying a system 19:10 The hidden work: data cleansing and process mapping 20:00 Project roles, ownership, and capturing the exceptions 22:05 What AI will (and won't) do to HR technology 25:50 The trend leaders aren't paying enough attention to 32:05 The one thing to take away: trust, but verify your systems Follow Zest 🌐 Website 🔗 ⁠⁠⁠https://zesthr.au/⁠⁠⁠ Instagram 🔗 ⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/zest.hr/⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn 🔗 ⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/zesthr⁠⁠⁠ Produced by Podwave Studios: ⁠⁠⁠https://podwavestudios.au/⁠⁠⁠ 🔔 Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe. Disclaimer. This podcast shares professional opinions and experiences related to the workplace and the use of AI. The views expressed are those of the individuals involved and are intended for general information and discussion purposes only. They do not constitute legal, HR or professional advice specific to your organisation. #howworkworks #zesthr #podwavestudios #perth #podcast #futureofwork #hrleaders #aiatwork #agenticai #generativeai #aigovernance #shadowai #workforceplanning #hrtech #leadership #peopleandculture #aistrategy

  2. Oct 1

    Why Job Architecture is Your Strategic Foundation with Kassy Taylor Burch

    Kassy Taylor-Burch calls herself the "nepo baby of HR". She grew up with two parents in the profession, swore she would never follow them, then did exactly that. From local government to Chief People Officer at a food manufacturing business and now consulting with Zest, she has seen the same truth play out everywhere: people are people, and the businesses that thrive are the ones built on strong foundations. In this episode, Kat and Kassy dig into the most overlooked of those foundations, job architecture. They strip the jargon back to what it really is, a simple, shared way of defining who does what, at what level, and with what authority, and challenge the idea that it has to be a 400-line document that lives on a shelf. Kassy makes the case that most organisations already have the pieces (delegation of authority, IT permissions, capability frameworks) and simply haven't knitted them together. They also explore how good job architecture takes the pressure off executive decision-making, how it powers smarter workforce planning through simple growth triggers, and where it intersects with AI, including the idea of a "delegation of authority" for AI and keeping humans in the loop. Kassy shares how she used AI to build a job architecture from scratch, and makes a spirited case for why traditional job descriptions may not deserve a place in the next ten years. If job architecture has ever felt too big, too boring, or too hard to start, this conversation will change your mind. Kassy's takeaway is refreshingly practical: build on what you already have. Follow the Podcast: Subscribe: 🔗 ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@zesthr⁠ Website: 🔗 ⁠https://zesthr.au/⁠ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro and welcome to How Work Works, meet Kassy Taylor-Burch 0:50 Kassy's path: local government, CPO, and now HR consultancy 3:20 What job architecture actually means, in plain terms 4:10 Why it doesn't need to be big, fancy or complex 5:25 How to get your executive team to care about it 6:40 What organisations without job architecture look like 8:45 Why most businesses already have it without realising 11:15 A simple, powerful example from a construction company 15:50 Using job architecture for smarter workforce planning 19:35 Where job architecture meets AI in the workplace 22:55 A delegation of authority for AI, and keeping humans in the loop 25:50 Protecting wellbeing when everyone works at a higher level 28:45 Using AI to build your job architecture 31:40 Do we still need traditional job descriptions? 40:25 The one thing to take away: build on what you already have Follow Zest 🌐 Website 🔗 ⁠https://zesthr.au/⁠ Instagram 🔗 ⁠https://www.instagram.com/zest.hr/⁠ LinkedIn 🔗 ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/zesthr⁠ Produced by Podwave Studios: ⁠https://podwavestudios.au/⁠ 🔔 Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe. Disclaimer. This podcast shares professional opinions and experiences related to the workplace and the use of AI. The views expressed are those of the individuals involved and are intended for general information and discussion purposes only. They do not constitute legal, HR or professional advice specific to your organisation. #howworkworks #zesthr #podwavestudios #perth #podcast #futureofwork #hrleaders #aiatwork #agenticai #generativeai #aigovernance #shadowai #workforceplanning #hrtech #leadership #peopleandculture #aistrategy

  3. Sep 9

    Designing Work for an AI-Enabled Future

    In this episode of How Work Works, Kat and Alex talk about what "AI ready work" actually means before you ever touch a tool: clean job architecture, tidy HR data, and clear governance. They unpack the difference between generative and agentic AI using a simple kitchen analogy, and dig into why shadow AI, unowned decisions, and mismatched organisational tone are quietly creating risk inside businesses right now. They also cover the case for an AI governance council, the ongoing debate over who actually owns AI strategy, which roles are most likely to change in the next five years, and why Alex thinks the biggest surprise about AI won't be how much it changes work, but how much it doesn't. If you're trying to figure out where AI actually fits in your organisation, and who should be making that call, this conversation is for you. Follow the Podcast: Subscribe: 🔗 https://www.youtube.com/@zesthr Website: 🔗 https://zesthr.au/ Timecodes: 0:00 Intro and welcome to How Work Works, meet Alex Taylor 0:50 Alex's path: from wedding planning to falling in love with AI and data 3:55 Why the human impact of AI isn't getting enough airtime 6:25 What "AI ready work" actually means in practice 7:40 Unpacking the jargon: generative AI vs agentic AI 10:20 The biggest mistake: shadow AI and missing governance 12:00 Why AI needs the organisation's voice, not an individual's 14:10 Holding the tension between governance and innovation, and why leaders must own the trade offs 17:15 Learning from failed rollouts by mapping every process 20:15 What an AI governance council looks like in practice 23:40 Who should own AI strategy: HR, IT or everyone 26:00 An organisation getting this right 28:40 The roles most likely to change in the next five years 31:35 The entry level talent gap and a surprising prediction about AI 33:30 Rapid fire questions, and the one thing to take away: plan the change Follow Zest 🌐 Website 🔗 https://zesthr.au/ Instagram 🔗 https://www.instagram.com/zest.hr/ LinkedIn 🔗 https://www.linkedin.com/company/zesthr Produced by Podwave Studios: https://podwavestudios.au/ 🔔 Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe. Disclaimer. This podcast shares professional opinions and experiences related to the workplace and the use of AI. The views expressed are those of the individuals involved and are intended for general information and discussion purposes only. They do not constitute legal, HR or professional advice specific to your organisation. #howworkworks #zesthr #podwavestudios #perth #podcast #futureofwork #hrleaders #aiatwork #agenticai #generativeai #aigovernance #shadowai #workforceplanning #hrtech #leadership #peopleandculture #aistrategy

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How Work Works is a podcast that dives into the conversations shaping people, culture, leadership, and the future of work.

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