[00:01:25] Kalen: We’re finally in a good, uh, 2 36. So episode 2 36. So the last one was bringing amnesty into the fold 2 35 and [00:01:36] Willem: we’re finally episodes 236. [00:01:40] Kalen: 2 36. We’re getting into a pretty, pretty steady schedule here. I think this is, uh, you know, we, we said, Hey, let’s, let’s, uh, let’s test the waters with this whole idea of rebooting ma talk. And, um, you don’t know until, you know, but I think [00:02:00] it seems it’s happening. It seems this is actually happening. So I have a question to, um, yes, [00:02:10] Willem: Asher almost at episode 240. Yes. Just four to go. How do you feel about the fact that people have spent 10 days of their lives listening to you? That’s crazy on me. Talk. [00:02:30] Kalen: That’s pretty nuts, man. Whenever you take a step back and think about the aggregate, uh, stuff, it blows your mind cuz. That’s kind of the cool thing about podcasts is that you don’t really, you’re not really conscious of the aggregate when you’re doing it. You’re just kind of chatting with a buddy. That’s, what’s so beautiful about it. But then when you think about it, like, I remember hearing Joe Rogan talk about that as if I know anything about what it’s like to be that famous, but, [00:03:00] um, same dynamic, different scale. But like when he realized he had this massive audience, it was like a huge surprise, but, um, [00:03:12] Willem: just, uh, two more, no, four more days. And then we have magenta New York and you’ll feel you’ll reconnect, [00:03:24] Kalen: feel the vibes I’m already at your [00:03:26] Willem: field of vibes and [00:03:28] Kalen: yeah, I’ve been feeling the vibes, man. I’ve been feeling the online vibes and, um, But it’s always better in person. It’s always, there’s something it’s always magical in person, [00:03:42] Willem: you know? Yeah. I was so happy that events were back earlier this year. Yeah. [00:03:46] Kalen: Yeah. Um, yeah, man, I’m finally ready to talk about the new thing I tweeted about it this morning. Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah, the, [00:04:00] the new business, the community. [00:04:04] Willem: Um, let me life check what this new, the tweet was you have, because obviously, I don’t know. I don’t know anything about you’ve this new thing [00:04:12] Kalen: yet. Yeah. You’ve been busy working. how screwed up would it be if there was, uh, I won’t, I won’t even mention it. Um, so , if there was a certain version, um, so, [00:04:28] Willem: uh, I made a thing as what you tweeted and it’s Mitch chat.club, Mitch private community. That’s. Tell me about your new, um, board Mitch yacht club. Yes, [00:04:43] Kalen: honestly, that was a really good name that you posted. I like that a lot. Um, so so, um, so this is a slack that I created seven years ago. Uh, that was initially just, um, [00:05:00] You know, I was wanting to just, you know, have a place to chat with other, uh, magenta developers, doing stuff. It got up to five, 600 users. And, um, I was real active with it, uh, for, for years. And there was a bunch of people in there, you know, a lot of the, you know, a lot of the, you know, um, big names, as you would say. I see it feels so douchy to say that, but, um, but anyways, it, it was, it was a cool little thing. And then, um, the last couple years I kind of ghosted from it as I sort of generally pulled back a lot from the community and, um, mm-hmm and so, but there was this like skeleton and, and I’d always thought about turning it into a paid community because there’s just lots. Cool stuff you could do, but I didn’t really have a, a real reason to do that until now when I decided to ramp down commerce hero and I was like, okay, I gotta find something to do. I gotta start making a living. I gotta [00:06:00] find a, a, a way to replace the, in my income and things like that. And so it was this thing. It was this thread that I’d been thinking about for years and, um, had been building community for years is just a little free slack thing. And, um, and so, uh, so yeah, so what’s objective, what’s the objective. The objective, um, is to. Um, have, um, I should be better at this by now explaining the objective. Um, it’s to have a place to connect with, with your peers is I think a lot of it as an a, as a, like a digital analog to a conference, you go to a conference costs a little bit of money. Um, it, that does create a bit of a barrier to entry. Um, but it’s an environment where you can learn stuff. Um, there’s also gonna be weekly talks, live talks [00:07:00] there’s um, um, but also like to me, the magic of it, the purpose, the objective of it is more than just like, you’re gonna learn things. You’re gonna be able to get your Magento questions answered. It’s mm-hmm, There’s a magic that happens when you combine. getting technical questions answered with having a place to socialize. That’s kind of fun. Um, and, uh, basically those, those two things, um, and you know, everybody’s in a million different slacks and discords and stuff like that. But, um, you know, some are more engaged than others. Every company has a slack, some are more engaged than others. I think about, you know, a friend of mine who was at a company that was this great team, really vibrant team, really collaborative. They’d have a lot of fun together, post memes, da da, da, da, but also they would, um, you know, if they needed help with anything, they [00:08:00] could post a question, get an answer really quickly, very collaborative, right. And as, as everybody’s going remote, everybody’s using slack or collaboration tools. Now the question is, how good are they? How good is the environment, the community. So companies have a culture, companies have a community component to them, but I’m trying to create this at more of a distributed level across the whole, uh, ecosystem because some, and some people go, listen, man, I already have a company slack. It’s great. We love it. It’s perfect. I can get all my questions answered. We have a great time. The vibes are strong, so you may not need this if that’s you. Right. Other people are like, man, like I was talking to buddies like man, our slack used to be so strong, but whatever happened, a bunch of people left the company. Now it feels kind of dead. So this is a, a way to kind of support, um, people with those, with those different. [00:08:56] Willem: It’s also hard to always complain about the projects and your colleagues [00:09:00] and your company slack. It’s nice to have like a, an external slack to complain [00:09:05] Kalen: at that. That is a big part of it. That is a big, there’s a rant channel in the slack, which is one of the, like the most active people in the slack like that channel the most. And I think that it’s really important to let off some steam it’s a human need. It’s a psychological need to go shit, man, this client just told me to do this. It’s so du it’s. So Stu now this gets into the topic I wanted us that we started getting into last week that I want to dive into is mm-hmm how do you create the rules of engagement in a slack community in general, in mind, specifically in yours, specif. What does it, what’s that line between being yourself, talking a little bit of shit and, and being toxic. Right. I don’t think that you can strictly, uh, define that, but I think that [00:10:00] I’m going into it with the best of intentions. The amnesty thing is a perfect example. People in our, uh, people constantly talk shit about amnesty. Why? Because they’ve had bad experiences in the past, but what happened was inspired by your collaborating with them and, and things like that. I said, you know what? And, and, and we did the, we talked about it on the podcast and I said, and the, the, the CEO, uh, replied on Twitter, Serge. And, um, and so we had a conversation. I said, listen, um, I’d like to get you into this community. There’s a lot of negative sentiment. And my thought on, um, on, uh, the, the, the way people should be allowed to communicate is like, Uh, they should be allowed to say some negative things, right? I don’t want to tell everybody everything they has to say has to be. So I want people to be themselves. If you’re having a bar with, if you’re having a drink at a bar with a friend, you’re [00:11:00] gonna say, dude, this thing is shit. This extension is shit. Or, you know, so I want to be able to create some, some kind of an environment of that, where you can be honest, be yourself, but, but then what happened is I. I talked to him. I thought this guy, this guy understands the challenges. He’s willing to deal with the negativity and turn it into a productive thing. I said, and this has turned into another, I think big benefit of the community is that all the members are gonna have priority escalation directly to the CEO for amnesty issues. And I want to do this for all the different extension companies out there. Now, in order to do that, I have to make sure that what they’re escalating. Is not, they’re not just ranting about every ran. So there’s already begun to be some conversations in the extensions channel where people are say ranting, and then, so we’re going, okay. So here’s the deal. Amnesty released some improved coding standards a year and a half ago or two years ago, whatever it was, they’re working on improving their quality from that point [00:12:00] forward. So if you have an issue you wanna rant in the ran channel, have a have at it, have a blast. If you wanna talk about it in the extensions channel, we need to keep the conversation focused on what can actually be improved. So if there’s an issue constructive, so if there’s something you hit four years ago and you’re angry about it, I hear you. That sucks you. That caused a lot of pain in your life. You may have had to stay up all night because of a deployment. Th
