Messy Family Podcast : Catholic Conversations on Marriage and Family

Mike and Alicia Hernon : Catholic Marriage Parent and Family

Parenting is not a clean-cut, simple process for those who like to follow the rules. Family life is messy and unpredictable, but it is the greatest adventure you will ever have. We are Mike and Alicia Hernon, parents of 10 children with a growing number of grandchildren, and we would like to invite you into some of the conversations we have had with each other about marriage, parenting, and Catholic family life. Our hope is that our conversation sparks a dialogue between you and your spouse that leads to greater unity and intentional Christian parenting in your home. Listen in to our podcast and start the conversation as we seek to lead our families to heaven. Visit us at https:///www/MessyFamilyProject.org for resources, guides, links and show notes.

  1. 1D AGO

    MFP 369: Marriages Don't Accidentally Communicate Well

    You can't have a healthy relationship if you don't develop the skill of communication.    Summary Marriage doesn't drift into great communication. You have to make the time and practice on purpose. In this episode, we share simple, realistic tools to help couples break bad habits and start talking in ways that actually bring them closer. You'll learn how to listen without fixing, reduce daily stress through connection and fun, and build rituals that create space for meaningful conversation. We talk about appreciation, gentle ways to start hard conversations, and why prayer changes everything. These aren't abstract ideas, they're practical habits you can try tonight. If your conversations feel rushed, tense, or nonexistent, this episode will give you hope and a clear path forward. Strong communication is possible, and it's one of the greatest investments you can make in your marriage.  This episode accompanies MFP 368 Couple Communication in a Frantic Family!  Key Takeaways Take time to practice active listening daily.  Quietly receive your spouse's stress of the day (not in your relationship) without comments, only questions to deepen your understanding.  Create and practice Rituals of Connection.  Rituals have a structure, a beginning and an end.  You should have short daily rituals like sitting on the couch, time alone after dinner, or meaningful conversation after bedtime.    Make sure to include stress-reducing conversations! Not every conversation needs to be intense.  Create some boundaries and be sure to include some fun!   Give each other appreciation.  Gratitude is the key to happiness.  Make sure your spouse knows how important they are to you.  Practice the gentle start-up when relationship conversations need to happen.  Always keep in mind how to best communicate so your spouse can receive your words.  Pray together.  Never forget that God is committed to your marriage and will give you all you need to succeed in communication!  Couple Discussion Questions When can we have one daily stress-reducing conversation?. List 5 things you admire about your partner and share them. Resources 10 Communication Exercises https://www.gottman.com/blog/10-communication-exercises-for-couples-to-have-better-relationships/ Guide to Communication: https://messyfamilyproject.org/guide/communication/

    45 min
  2. FEB 9

    MFP 368: The Four Horsemen in Busy Marriages

    "Couples often ignore each other's emotional needs out of mindlessness, not malice." - Dr. John Gottman   Summary Let's take an honest look at how communication breaks down in busy marriages and what you can do to stop it. Most couples don't ignore each other out of malice, but out of exhaustion, distraction, and rushed daily life. In this episode, we unpack why communication is essential for growth and connection, and how unspoken assumptions quickly lead to misunderstandings. Drawing on Dr. John Gottman's research, we break down the Four Horsemen of Communication -  criticism, defensiveness, contempt, and stonewalling, and explain how they quietly damage relationships. More importantly, we share practical antidotes to each one, along with simple habits and conversations you can start using right away to communicate more clearly, stay emotionally connected, and protect your marriage from drifting apart.   Key Takeaways Communication shapes your marriage every day. It's not the big conversations alone that matter, but the daily responses, tone, and small interactions. You cannot grow closer without communicating, and mind-reading is not a real skill, no matter how much we wish it were. Unspoken assumptions damage connection.  When couples don't communicate, they fill in the gaps with guesses, and those guesses are often wrong. What feels obvious to you may not be obvious to your spouse. If left unchecked, the Four Horsemen quietly erode relationships.  Criticism, defensiveness, contempt, and stonewalling are strong predictors of marital breakdown, but couples can recognize them early and recover when they're willing to change patterns. Most conflict starts inside us, not with our spouse.  Many reactions come from fear, stress, or unresolved issues rather than our spouse's actions. Growth begins when we take ownership and speak from vulnerability instead of blame. Engaging imperfectly is better than withdrawing.  Respect, appreciation, and choosing to stay engaged, even awkwardly, protect connection. Healthy communication requires effort, humility, and the daily choice to turn toward each other.   Couple Discussion Questions Which of the Four Horsemen are threatening our relationship right now?  How would you rate our communication on a scale of 1-10?  What can we do to improve this? Resources Guide to Communication: https://messyfamilyproject.org/guide/communication/ Explanation of the Four Horsemen: https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-four-horsemen-recognizing-criticism-contempt-defensiveness-and-stonewalling/

    55 min
  3. FEB 2

    MFP 367: The Need for Belonging in Marriage

    "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and clings to his wife, and they become one flesh." Genesis 2:24 Summary In this episode, we talk about something every person longs for: belonging. At its heart, marriage is meant to be a place where you are chosen, known, and not easily walked away from. It's a home base, the one relationship you freely choose, where staying matters more than being perfect. Belonging in marriage isn't about constant agreement or effortless connection. It's about knowing someone is still there when things are hard, awkward, or unfinished. Over time, that kind of commitment creates safety, trust, and real intimacy. We also explore why working through the mess together often leads to deeper joy than walking away. Join us as we begin a series on building lasting belonging in marriage, starting with the foundation of healthy communication. Key Takeaways Everyone needs a place where they Belong and that is found in marriage for Catholic couples Build that home base in your marriage by affirming your commitment to each other, not just that you are doing everything perfectly. Being known in marriage happens through vulnerability.  When you belong you are able to be more vulnerable.  When you work as a team with common goals that also builds connection and belonging   Couple Discussion Questions How can we continue to build a safe place, a comfort in belonging to each other in our marriage?  What are our shared goals and dreams?    Resources Study showing couples who stay together are happier https://ifstudies.org/blog/for-most-couples-who-stay-the-course-marriage-gets-better-with-time-an-interview-with-paul-r-amato Importance of Shared Meaning https://www.gottman.com/blog/enriching-marriage-creating-shared-meaning/

    50 min
  4. JAN 26

    MFP 366: God is Love

    "Love of neighbor is a path that leads to the encounter with God… closing our eyes to our neighbour also blinds us to God." - Pope Benedict XVI, God is Love   Summary We begin with Love because marriage flows from our deepest identity and relationships, not just spousal dynamics. Created in the image of a loving, Triune God, we must first ask who God is and who we are in His eyes. Our relationship with God and with ourselves forms the foundation for loving others. Pope Benedict XVI's God Is Love reveals that eros and agape are inseparable dimensions of love: we are made to give and receive love. God's passionate, faithful love for His people—fulfilled fully in Jesus—becomes the model for marriage. In Christ, love of God and love of neighbor are one reality. Our first neighbor is our spouse, and loving them faithfully is the primary path to holiness and authentic love. Key Takeaways Love begins with God, not marriage Before focusing on spousal relationships, we must understand who God is and who we are in His eyes. Our identity as loved by God is the foundation for all love. You cannot love others without loving God and yourself rightly Knowing and receiving God's love allows us to love ourselves truthfully, which is necessary to love anyone else authentically. Eros and agape belong together Human desire (eros) is not bad; it is purified and fulfilled by God's unconditional love (agape). Love requires both giving and receiving. God's passionate love is revealed fully in Jesus Christ embodies God's self-giving love and draws us into communion—with God and with others—especially through the Eucharist. Marriage is the primary place love is lived Spouses are each other's first neighbors. Loving one's spouse faithfully is the clearest expression of love of God and the path to holiness.   Resources: Pdf of encyclical:  https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est.html Join the Cana90 Fellowship:  https://messyfamilyproject.org/programs/cana90/fellowship-form/

    52 min
  5. JAN 5

    MFP 364: Live Intentionally in 2026

    Summary This episode revisits one of the most helpful and down-to-earth conversations on the Messy Family Podcast: Family Board Meeting 2.0. It starts with a simple but challenging idea. We put a lot of thought into our jobs, but when it comes to family life, many of us are just trying to keep up. Between work, kids' schedules, and everyday stress, it's easy to drift into survival mode. A Family Board Meeting is a chance to pause, breathe, and get back on the same page. It's not about being perfect or fixing everything. It's about choosing to lead your family with intention. The episode walks through why these meetings matter, how to keep them practical, and how to avoid turning them into a blame-filled marathon. You'll hear encouragement to dream a little, pick a few priorities, write them down, and actually enjoy the process. Think unity, clarity, and maybe even dinner and a glass of wine along the way. Key Takeaways Intentional families don't happen by accident. A Family Board Meeting is about choosing the important over the merely urgent. The goal is unity, not perfection. Unity is essential for your children and for your own personal growth. Dream big, plan simple, act now. You can't do everything. That's okay. Choose the top two or three areas that really matter right now. Failure is part of the process—and that's normal.  Fail fast, refine, and keep moving forward. Make it human—and even fun.  You're building a life together, not just a to-do list. Couple Discussion Questions When can we have these intentional conversations?  Should we do a FBM course?  Get the course here:  https://messyfamilyproject.org/course/family-board-meeting/ Get your free guide here: https://messyfamilyproject.org/guide/family-board-meeting-guide/

    59 min
  6. 12/22/2025

    MFP 363: Growing Up Hernon - What it's like in a large, loud, loving family

    Summary What's it really like growing up in a big family?   In this special Hernon kids takeover podcast, Mike and Alicia's children gather around the mic to tell the honest, funny, and heartfelt story of their upbringing. From loud dinner tables and sibling fights to deep bonds, meaningful traditions, and moments of feeling unseen, the Hernon siblings share what shaped them—for better and for worse.   They talk openly about the challenges of a large family, how sibling relationships filled the gaps when parents were stretched thin, and why intentional traditions mattered more than perfection. Along the way, they relive unforgettable childhood stories (including melted crayons, camping disasters, and a legendary vomiting incident), reflect on personality differences, and offer wisdom for parents raising kids today.   This episode is a gift to parents wondering if they're "doing enough"—and a reminder that love multiplies, even when life is messy.   Key Takeways: 1. Big Families Are Hard—And That's Not a Bad Thing Most of the siblings admitted they didn't always love growing up in a large family—especially as teenagers. But looking back, they see how it built character, resilience, and lifelong relationships. 2. Parents Won't Always Get It Perfect Several siblings shared moments when they felt overlooked or unseen. Yet the overwhelming takeaway was this: they knew they were loved, even when time and energy were limited. 3. Siblings Matter More Than We Realize In a big family, siblings often become secondary parents, confidants, and companions. Those relationships became one of the greatest gifts of their upbringing. 4. Traditions Shape Identity From Christmas breakfasts and dinner games to family retreats and service visits, traditions created a shared story and sense of belonging that lasted into adulthood. 5. Conflict Isn't Failure—It's Formation Fighting, disagreements, and personality clashes were part of the family culture. Learning forgiveness, conflict resolution, and reconciliation turned those struggles into growth. 6. Intentionality Beats Perfection What stood out most wasn't flawless parenting—but parents who cared, listened, showed interest, and tried to be present whenever possible.   Couple Discussion Questions: How do sibling relationships function in your family right now? How might you help strengthen them? How do you currently handle conflict in your home—and what might forgiveness look like more intentionally? What kind of family culture do you hope your children will talk about someday?

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Parenting is not a clean-cut, simple process for those who like to follow the rules. Family life is messy and unpredictable, but it is the greatest adventure you will ever have. We are Mike and Alicia Hernon, parents of 10 children with a growing number of grandchildren, and we would like to invite you into some of the conversations we have had with each other about marriage, parenting, and Catholic family life. Our hope is that our conversation sparks a dialogue between you and your spouse that leads to greater unity and intentional Christian parenting in your home. Listen in to our podcast and start the conversation as we seek to lead our families to heaven. Visit us at https:///www/MessyFamilyProject.org for resources, guides, links and show notes.

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