Precision Animal Training

Kirsten Kraljevic
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Precision Animal Training is the podcast diving deep into the science and precision of animal behavior modification, hosted by expert trainer Kirsten Kraljevic and pioneering behaviorist Dr. Bob Bailey. Rooted in the legendary Bailey chicken workshops—developed by Bob and Marian Bailey using operant conditioning, positive reinforcement, stimulus control, and razor-sharp timing—this show delivers practical insights on observation, data collection, mechanical skills, and effective training techniques for any species. Through engaging stories, historical lessons from marine mammal programs to chicken camps, and actionable discussions, it empowers trainers of dogs, birds, exotics, and beyond while highlighting how these principles enhance human learning, leadership, communication, and personal development. Ideal for beginners building curiosity-driven skills or seasoned professionals honing precision and timing, Precision Animal Training offers evidence-based wisdom, inspiration, and lifelong learning—proving that mastering training fundamentals, even with a chicken, can transform the way you shape behavior forever.

  1. 4d ago

    Vicky Darnell & Tiz: From Chicken Workshop to UKC Grand Champion

    Vicky Darnell did not want the puppy. The plan was to get herself trained up first and then bring another dog into the house, and that is not how it worked out. Tiz came home early. Three weeks later Vicky was sitting in her first Chicken Workshop. What she carried back to Chicagoland was not a chicken trick. It was timing, criteria, rate of reinforcement, and the nerve to stop a session that is going sideways instead of hoping it comes around. Tiz started trialing shortly after she turned six months old, the youngest age a dog can compete in UKC Nosework, and finished her Grand Champion at eleven months. Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey talk with Vicky about what actually transferred from the bird room to the trial floor. Vicky has run dog sporting events for thirteen years and has taken the discrimination class twice, and she still describes the workshop the way everyone does once they have been through it: you cannot comprehend it until you are standing there. Bob puts the principle plainly. You get what you reinforce, not what you want. Kirsten tells on Vicky for walking the hallway between the classroom and the bird room muttering seven seconds to herself, then watched her run that same clock at a nosework trial months later. 3 Key Takeaways 1. Stop bad training instead of riding it out. Vicky credits the workshop with giving her permission to interrupt. The instinct in most training halls is to push on and tell yourself you will get there eventually. What you are actually doing is paying for the wrong behavior while you wait. Interrupt it, rethink what you are asking for, and go again. 2. Seven seconds is the clock. If what you are doing is not working inside about seven seconds, change something. Vicky said it out loud to herself carrying a bird across the hall until it stuck, and she was still running that clock when Kirsten watched her compete. It is the smallest, most portable thing in this episode and you can use it in your next session. 3. You get what you reinforce, not what you want. Dr. Bob Bailey's point is that precision is available to anyone willing to ask for it, and that data gathered and used properly speeds training up rather than slowing it down. Reinforce sloppy work and sloppy work is what you have trained. Quick Training Lessons From The Episode Here are the wrap-up lessons that Kirsten wanted listeners to remember from this episode: 1. Set a goal that is a little past your reach. Vicky picked a title most people would call impossible for a puppy, then went and got it. The goal is what organizes every session that comes after it. 2. Skills transfer. Species do not matter. Timing, criteria, and rate of reinforcement work the same on a chicken, on a Labrador, and on whatever animal and discipline you care about most. 3. The chicken is the most honest coach you will ever have, and the kindest. It is not about training a chicken. It is that the exercises Bob and Marian Breland curated put you and that bird through something that shows you exactly what you need to work on, with no opinion about you attached. 4. Go back even when you are good at this. Vicky runs trials for a living and got whipped by a chicken. Thirteen years in the ring is not the same as five seconds behind a bird. 5. Do the repetitions and measure them. Bob's case for data is that measuring gets you there faster, not slower.

    Vicky Darnell & Tiz: From Chicken Workshop to UKC Grand Champion

  2. Sep 10

    The Magic of Reinforcement: Dr. Ian Dunbar on Animal Training’s Past, Present and Future

    On this episode of Precision Animal Training, hosts Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey sit down with renowned Veterinary Behaviorist Dr. Ian Dunbar for a wide-ranging conversation on how animal training has evolved. Dr. Dunbar traces his path from watching animals as a child to pioneering puppy classes and putting early socialization at the center of good training. The discussion returns again and again to positive reinforcement, the power of shaping small improvements, and the need for trainers to observe real behavior and use simple, measurable data. Dr. Bailey and Dr. Dunbar talk about the Brelands’ work with chickens as a training model and argue that trainers should rely less on tools and more on clear communication between people and animals. The episode is a reminder to notice small wins and keep training scientific and enjoyable. 3 Key Takeaways 1. Observation and real-world practice come first.  Dr. Dunbar and Dr. Bob Bailey both say effective training starts with watching animals in everyday settings. Videos and theory help, but they are no substitute for standing there, watching, and working with the animal in front of you. That direct practice is how trainers learn how animals actually respond and learn. 2. Positive reinforcement and shaping still do the heavy lifting.   A core theme is that small, reinforced improvements add up. Dr. Dunbar talks about shaping behavior in tiny steps. Dr. Bailey keeps returning to one idea: make it worthwhile for the animal to play the game. Praise and consistent reinforcement of the behaviors you want often matter more than extra food or corrections. 3. Creativity and ongoing learning keep trainers sharp.   Both guests stress staying flexible across species. Working with cats, chickens, or other animals besides dogs stretches your eye and your timing. Kirsten and her guests encourage trainers to keep experimenting and adjusting to the individual animal. That habit produces better results and a better relationship Quick Training Lessons From The Episode Here are the wrap-up lessons that Kirsten wanted listeners to remember from this episode: 1. Take the leash off. Watch and train animals in a more natural state so you can see real behavior change.  2. Watch the animal in front of you, not only videos. Hands-on observation is where the learning happens.   3. Learn to shape and reinforce the right behaviors. Every small improvement counts, and praise matters.   4. Reinforce good behavior in daily life. Smiles, words, and consistent feedback do more than isolated sessions.   5. Phase out tools as you go. The goal is an animal that responds even to a quiet, neutral cue.   6. Training is a relationship plus repetition. Praise often, keep sessions positive, and enjoy the work.   7. These skills apply across species. The same game of observation and reinforcement works with dogs, cats, and chickens.   8. Stay present. Turn off distractions and engage with the animal in front of you. Progress starts there.

    The Magic of Reinforcement: Dr. Ian Dunbar on Animal Training’s Past, Present and Future

  3. Sep 2

    The Humbling Path to Becoming a Top Dog Trainer with Chickens and Dr. Viviane Thebe

    In this episode of the Precision Animal Training Podcast, host Kirsten Kraljevic sits down with Dr. Viviane Thebe from Germany, a trainer known for pioneering work with both chickens and dogs. The conversation follows her path from veterinary medicine into animal behavior, the workshops in Sweden that changed how she saw training, and the practical reality of teaching while caring for her young son. Listeners hear how those early chicken workshops grew in Germany and why she has stayed focused on rapid, precise training. Dr. Thebe also talks about founding a “top trainers” organization that uses friendly competition to push skill and spark new ideas. Stories from workshops and international conferences show why hands-on practice, humility, and sharing methods across species keep the field moving forward. The episode ends with a look at her influence and the collaborative spirit that still drives better training. Viviane Theby’s main website in Germany is the Tierakademie Scheuerhof: https://www.tierakademie.de/ She also runs the German dog-trainer education site: https://ausbildung.tierakademie.de/ 3 Key Takeaways 1. Humility and Growth in Training   No matter the background or years of experience, real skill in animal training grows from humility and a willingness to keep learning. Dr. Thebe’s first chicken workshops made it obvious how much she still did not know. That realization is a reminder that ongoing education and honest self-assessment matter for every trainer. 2. The Power of Practical Workshops   Hands-on work, especially with chickens, delivers immediate and unfiltered feedback. These workshops sharpen timing, precision, and the ability to build a solid training plan. They also change how trainers see what is possible with any animal. 3. Building Confidence and Community   Supportive groups that give trainers a place to demonstrate skill and measure progress raise the bar for everyone. Dr. Thebe’s “top trainers” effort shows how structured programs and friendly competition help people see their own growth and lift standards across the profession. Quick Training Lessons From The Episode Here are the wrap-up lessons that Kirsten wanted listeners to remember from this episode: - Chicken training workshops are humbling and transformative. Real growth starts when you see how much there is still to learn. - Fast training is not only about speed. It is planning, precision, and knowing what animal learning can actually deliver. - Demonstrating skill builds confidence. Giving trainers a way to show what they can do raises the standard for the whole field. - A community of dedicated trainers makes the work feel bigger than any single person. - Methods learned with chickens transfer directly to other species and make you a stronger trainer across the board. - Sharing knowledge and supporting others keeps the most effective methods alive and growing.

    The Humbling Path to Becoming a Top Dog Trainer with Chickens and Dr. Viviane Thebe

  4. Aug 19

    Mechanics Matter: Why Fundamentals Are Essential for Trainers with Jean Donaldson

    In this episode of Precision Animal Training, host Kirsten Kraljevic welcomes Jean Donaldson and Dr. Bob Bailey to explore the evolution of animal training education. The conversation highlights Jean Donaldson’s groundbreaking work founding the Academy for Dog Trainers and the impact of introducing rigorous training plans and standardized curricula. The discussion moves through the transition from traditional, aversive-based dog training to science-based methods, emphasizing the importance of technical skill and well-vetted plans. The guests reflect on how critical fundamentals, repetition, and objective measurement are for developing competent trainers and helping pet owners succeed. They also address challenges in motivating owners, the pitfalls of industry gimmicks, and the importance of accurate scientific thinking. The episode closes with a recognition of the past innovators who shaped the field and encouragement for newer generations to embrace strong mechanics and thoughtful methodologies 3 Key Takeaways 1.  The Importance of Fundamentals: Strong foundational skills in animal training are essential. The episode highlights that while new techniques and marketing trends may emerge, mastering core mechanics and sound training plans remains critical for both professional trainers and pet owners alike. 2. Efficiency and Technique Matter Most: Efficient, well-vetted training methods lead to better outcomes. The discussion emphasizes that effective results come from high-quality technique and proper execution rather than from gimmicks or shortcuts. In the context of pet owners, trainers need to focus on teaching what matters most and ensure clients can achieve practical success. 3. Shift from Tradition to Science-Based Training: The conversation showcases the field’s evolution from tradition-based methods to evidence-driven practices. Listeners are reminded of the work it takes to move away from outdated, aversive techniques and toward positive, science-centered approaches that prioritize both animal welfare and owner satisfaction. Quick Training Lessons From The Episode Here are the wrap-up lessons that Kirsten wanted listeners to remember from this episode: 1. Fundamentals matter - master your mechanics, rate, criteria, and sound training plans before chasing new gimmicks. 2. Competence comes from hands-on practice, not just theory or online content; good technique must be developed and checked in real-world situations. 3. Efficiency in training is crucial, especially for owners who need fast results to keep motivation high and dogs safely in homes. 4. True progress in the industry comes from standing on the shoulders of those who challenged old methods and devoted their lives to developing effective, humane training. 5. Science should drive training decisions, not tradition or marketing; critical thinking and well-vetted plans always outperform flashy shortcuts. 6. Wanting real results requires disciplined effort—a wish alone changes nothing; apply yourself fully if you want to see true behavioral change. 7. The legacy of great trainers is measured by their impact on future generations, so keep learning, sharing, and refining your craft as the field moves forward.

    Mechanics Matter: Why Fundamentals Are Essential for Trainers with Jean Donaldson

  5. Aug 5

    Beyond Agility: Susan Garrett on Efficiency, Community, and Dog-Centered Training

    In this episode of Precision Animal Training, hosts Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey welcome renowned trainer Susan Garrett. The conversation explores Susan’s transformative journey from traditional dog training to evidence-based practices inspired by Dr. Bob Bailey and Marian Bailey. Together they reflect on the importance of embracing science, efficient training methods, and the powerful impact of community. Listeners hear insightful anecdotes about the famous chicken camps, practical applications of operant conditioning across species, and the critical role of humility and curiosity in continued learning. Susan also discusses her online education efforts, emphasizing accessible, science-based training for all dog owners. The episode inspires trainers to stay curious, turn challenges into games, and always put the learner’s experience at the center of their approach. 3 Key Takeaways 1. Curiosity and Humility Drive Progress in Training Throughout the conversation, Susan Garrett and Dr. Bob Bailey emphasize that true growth in animal training comes from staying curious and humble. Both speakers highlight how essential it is for trainers to keep an open mind, remain eager to learn, and challenge their own habits rather than defaulting to familiar techniques. This mindset fosters not only innovation but also promotes ongoing improvement in both the trainer and the animals they work with. 2. Effective Training Relies on Human Mechanics and Scientific Consistency A recurring theme is the critical importance of focusing on the trainer’s own mechanics and the use of clear, science-based training plans. Dr. Bob Bailey points out that the efficiency of the trainer directly impacts how quickly and effectively desired behaviors are taught. Susan Garrett illustrates that using structured, consistent methods, whether with dogs, chickens, or even spiders, leads to reliable outcomes, reinforcing the idea that operant conditioning works across species when applied thoughtfully. 3. Building Community and Sharing Knowledge Elevates the Profession The episode highlights the value of community support and knowledge sharing in advancing animal training. Susan Garrett shares her experience cultivating a welcoming, kind online community that helps trainers of all levels learn together. By making high-quality training resources widely available, she demonstrates how access and encouragement can empower trainers to improve their skills, create better lives for their animals, and ensure the continued evolution of ethical, effective training practices. Quick Training Lessons From The Episode Here are the wrap-up lessons that Kirsten wanted listeners to remember from this episode: 1. Stay curious, stay humble. The best trainers are committed lifelong learners who question their methods and embrace constant growth. 2. Operant conditioning works, period. Science-based, consistent methods are effective for all animals and all situations. 3. Make learning a game. Turning challenges or boring tasks into games accelerates progress and keeps both you and your animal engaged. 4. Human mechanics matter. Master your own mechanics and timing. They are more important to efficient training than the animal’s initial behavior. 5. Don’t let ego block learning. Moments of friction and failure are natural. Accept them and use them as opportunities to improve. 6. The best training plans are simple, solid, and repeatable. Consistency and clarity in your process set you and your animal up for success. 7. Community amplifies success. Surround yourself with supportive, like-minded trainers who challenge and inspire growth. 8. Invest in giving back. Share quality information widely and help the next generation of trainers thrive. 9. Success in competition does not always mean skillful training. Think critically about whose methods you follow and always prioritize your animal’s wellbeing. 10. Your learning directly benefits your animal. The smarter you train, the more brilliant your animal will become.

    Beyond Agility: Susan Garrett on Efficiency, Community, and Dog-Centered Training

  6. Jul 23

    Bridging Science And Practice In Animal Training with Ken Ramirez and Dr. Bob Bailey

    In this episode of Precision Animal Training, Kirsten Kraljevic hosts industry legends Dr. Bob Bailey and Ken Ramirez for an insightful discussion on the evolution of animal training, the importance of mechanical skills, and lifelong learning. Ken Ramirez reflects on his diverse career and emphasizes the value of seeking out foundational literature and learning from mentors. The conversation delves into the necessity for trainers to both invest in their own skills and seek critical feedback, highlighting how true mastery requires constant practice and humility. Dr. Bob Bailey recounts the origins of the technology-based approach to training, stressing precise reinforcement delivery and the value of historical context. Both guests advocate for critical thinking, collaboration, and the continued pursuit of knowledge, offering practical advice and encouragement to trainers at all stages of their careers. 3 Key Takeaways 1. Invest in Mechanical Skills and Practice Listeners are reminded that reading about training is not enough. True expertise comes from hands-on practice, developing strong mechanical skills, and being open to feedback and self-evaluation. Mastering the foundational skills of timing and reinforcement delivery is what distinguishes a great trainer. 2. Rely on Science and Critical Thinking Instead of treating new challenges as if they have no precedent, listeners should research existing scientific literature and the history of the field. Many modern innovations in animal training have roots in earlier work. Critical thinking and a willingness to consult established sources prevent redundant efforts and improve training quality. 3. Clarify Terms and Focus on Animal Outcomes Miscommunication often arises when trainers use the same terms to mean different things. The hosts encourage listeners to clearly define terminology before discussing or applying concepts. The ultimate goal should always be enhancing animal learning and welfare, rather than winning debates about definitions. Quick Training Lessons From The Episode Here are the wrap-up lessons that Kirsten Kraljevic wanted listeners to remember from this episode: 1. Invest in your mechanical training skills. Practice consistently, evaluate yourself honestly, and stay open to critical feedback, no matter how long you have been training.  2. True progress is found by combining theoretical knowledge with hands-on practical application. Reading and watching others is just the beginning; real growth comes through doing the work yourself.  3. Stand out by thinking critically. Before you try to create something new or unique, take time to research and explore the history and literature. Often, someone has already explored the solution you seek.  4. The best trainers are always learning. Approach your work with humility and curiosity, and avoid getting swept up in personalities or fads. Focus on true understanding and continual improvement.  5. Focus on what works for the animal, not on debating terminology. The ultimate measure of any method is whether it helps the animal learn and thrive, not just what it is called.  6. Great animal training is about sharing knowledge and building on proven skills. Systematize and pass on what you know so the next generation can keep advancing the field.  7. Today is a wonderful time to be a trainer. With a wealth of resources and a supportive community available, take advantage of every opportunity to keep learning and growing.

    Bridging Science And Practice In Animal Training with Ken Ramirez and Dr. Bob Bailey

  7. Jul 7

    Building Connection in Training: Instinct versus Structure with Phung Luu

    In this episode of Precision Animal Training, host Kirsten Kraljevic welcomes acclaimed trainers Bob Bailey and Phung Luu to explore how merging instinctual and systematic approaches leads to transformative animal training. Phung shares his inspiring journey from rural Vietnam to leading bird shows and consulting for top zoos. He highlights his pivotal shift from intuitive, shooting from the hip methods to science-based systems after attending Bob Bailey’s renowned chicken workshops. The conversation emphasizes the art of observation, the value of empowering both animals and people, and the evolution of animal care philosophies in modern zoos. Phung also offers practical insights on balancing structure with flexibility, the sustaining power of passion in a demanding field, and the importance of choice for animals and learners alike. The episode closes with actionable takeaways for trainers seeking greater clarity, connection, and long-term impact. Key Listener Takeaways 1. Merging Instinctual and Systematic Training   Blending natural instincts with structured, science-based systems creates more effective and impactful animal training. Moving from shooting from the hip to a systematic approach helps trainers communicate more clearly and adapt more effectively. 2. The Critical Importance of Observation   Truly seeing and responding to the animal in front of you rather than the ideal you imagine is fundamental to successful training. Skilled observation allows trainers to adjust quickly and achieve the best outcomes for animals and people. 3. Passion Drives Success and Resilience  Loving what you do sustains you through difficult times and turns challenges into opportunities. When combined with skill, passion helps trainers persist and continually improve their impact on animals and learners. Quick Training Lessons From The Episode   Here are the key lessons Kirsten wants listeners to remember: 1. Embracing structure, moving from instinctual to systematic training, brings greater clarity and impact.  2. True observation is essential: see and respond to the actual animal in front of you, wherever you are.   3. Passion drives success. When you love what you do, even the toughest seasons become opportunities. Timestamps   00:00 Get To Know Phung Luu   04:02 Attending Bob’s Workshop   07:25 Early Animal Training Experiences   12:31 Transitioning from Rehab to Education   13:40 Sharing Birds with Inner-City Kids   17:13 Shift in Training Philosophies   21:02 Kirsten’s Chicken Training Workshops   26:26 Cultural Influences on Sharing Work   29:12 Bird’s Role in the Ceremony   31:06 Starting with Passion   34:26 Passion and Respect in Training

    Building Connection in Training: Instinct versus Structure with Phung Luu

  8. Jun 25

    Hands-On Breakthroughs: Inside Chicken Workshops with Mimmi Pacerek

    Show Notes On this episode, Kirsten Kraljevic and Dr. Bob Bailey sit down with longtime student and class assistant Mimmi Pacerek to explore the unique and transformative experience of participating in chicken training workshops. They highlight why these programs deliver such powerful value for animal trainers at every level. At their core, the workshops are designed to train people, not just animals, by placing participants in situations that demand quick, effective decisions under pressure. A central theme is the importance of adapting teaching methods to suit diverse groups and individual learners, using stress thoughtfully to spark real growth. The conversation dives into the personal journeys of participants, the power of unlearning outdated practices, and the irreplaceable role of hands-on experience, mentorship, and community. The episode closes by celebrating the supportive network and lasting professional relationships that emerge from these intensive training experiences. 3 Key Takeaways 1. The Value of Hands-On Animal Training Workshops   The conversation spotlights the profound impact of immersive chicken training workshops. These programs push trainers to adapt, think critically, and make rapid decisions—skills that transfer directly to animal training in any setting. Participants repeatedly describe how the lived experience of practicing these decision-making processes reshapes behavior and builds deeper understanding in ways that theory alone never could. 2. Importance of Adapting Teaching Methods to Individuals   Effective instruction in these workshops goes far beyond the animals. Instructors must carefully observe each participant and tailor their approach to match different learning styles. This individualized focus helps trainers unlearn less effective habits and achieve genuine growth through personalized guidance and thoughtful challenge. 3. Building a Supportive Training Community   The workshops create a powerful sense of community built on shared breakthroughs, ongoing mentorship, and mutual support. This network encourages continued learning, adaptation, and the preservation of proven training methods for future generations of trainers. Quick Training Lessons From The Episode Here are the key takeaways Kirsten wants listeners to carry with them: 1. The true focus of Chicken Workshops is training people. Changing your own behavior is the foundation of effective animal training.   2. Decision-making under pressure is a vital skill. Every session is engineered to sharpen your ability to make quick, thoughtful choices.   3. Real growth requires the willingness to unlearn old habits and embrace new techniques, even when it feels uncomfortable.   4. Hands-on experience and technical skills gained in these workshops cannot be replaced by theory alone.   5. The power of mentorship, community, and collaboration is immense. Being surrounded by dedicated trainers dramatically accelerates learning and positive change.   6. Keeping these training methods accessible for the next generation is essential. The continued evolution of the field depends on it.

    Hands-On Breakthroughs: Inside Chicken Workshops with Mimmi Pacerek
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Precision Animal Training is the podcast diving deep into the science and precision of animal behavior modification, hosted by expert trainer Kirsten Kraljevic and pioneering behaviorist Dr. Bob Bailey. Rooted in the legendary Bailey chicken workshops—developed by Bob and Marian Bailey using operant conditioning, positive reinforcement, stimulus control, and razor-sharp timing—this show delivers practical insights on observation, data collection, mechanical skills, and effective training techniques for any species. Through engaging stories, historical lessons from marine mammal programs to chicken camps, and actionable discussions, it empowers trainers of dogs, birds, exotics, and beyond while highlighting how these principles enhance human learning, leadership, communication, and personal development. Ideal for beginners building curiosity-driven skills or seasoned professionals honing precision and timing, Precision Animal Training offers evidence-based wisdom, inspiration, and lifelong learning—proving that mastering training fundamentals, even with a chicken, can transform the way you shape behavior forever.

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  • Creator
    Kirsten Kraljevic
  • Years Active
    2026
  • Episodes
    21
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © @2026 Nerdy Bird Productions Llc
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    Precision Animal Training

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