Palaeo After Dark

James Lamsdell, Amanda Falk, and Curtis Congreve
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A group of scientists have biweekly informal discussions about evolutionary biology and palaeontology... over beer.

  1. -11 h

    Podcast 335 - I Like Turtles

    The gang discusses two papers that use fossil material to assess the origin of animal groups. The first paper describes a new Early Devonian fish and its implications for the evolution of jaws, and the second paper reassesses the fossil material of turtles (and possible not turtles) to determine where turtles fit on the evolutionary tree of sauropsids. Meanwhile, James invents new flavors, Curt breaks things down, and Amanda sets boundaries.   Up-Goer Five (Amanda Edition): Today our friends look at two papers that talk about things showing up for the first time. The first thing to show up for the first time are teeth. Animals with inside hard backs have teeth, but how those teeth first show up are a big question mark. Turns out that teeth first show up as not-teeth and can actually grow over each other and grow in weird ways that today's teeth can't grow in. It also turns out that these early animals with hard backs and mouths that open and close had these sort of teeth and they're pretty much from the same stuff as the teeth we have today, so these are the same thing over time. The second paper our friends look at has to do with animals with inside hard backs that also have outside hard backs. We didn't know for a long time where these animals came from. Now we know, and they look at a really old weird animal that we thought might be one of those animals with inside hard backs that also have outside hard backs. But it isn't, it is too old and has inside parts of its head that don't look right. So now we know that animals with inside hard backs that also have outside hard backs are actually closer to animals with cold blood and big long faces that sit in water all the time and attack animals that come to drink water.   References: Olive, Sébastien, et al. "A new 'acanthothoracid'placoderm from the Arctic Canada (Early Devonian) and its bearing on the evolution of jaws and teeth." Royal Society open science 12.9 (2025). Jenkins, Xavier A., et al. "The phylogenetic origin of turtles." Current Biology (2026).

    1 h 24 min

  2. 14/06

    Podcast 334 - Stuck on You

    The gang discusses two papers about encrusting organisms. The first paper looks at evolutionary patterns of bryozoans to infer environmental triggers for shifts in the ways bryozoans calcify. The second paper uses the distribution of encrusting organisms on spirifd brachiopods to infer the ecology of both the encrusters and the brachiopod they grew on top of. Meanwhile, James discovers new foods, Amanda constructs a worm, and Curt gets confused and makes it everyone's problem.   Up-Goer Five (Curt Edition): The friends talk about two papers that look at animals that do not move around much and live stuck to other animals. The first paper looks at a group of animals that grow together with their friends and grow really well on top of other things. This group makes hard parts out of stuff it gets from the water it lives in. When there are changes in ways big rocks move, this changes the types and number of things in the water that can be used to make hard parts, which can make one way of making hard parts easier than others. Most of these animals today make hard parts in the way that is not the way that is easy with how the water is today, but there are some groups that do use the easy way. This paper looks at how these groups changed over time using a family tree for the group, and they find that these groups that make their hard parts the easy way today may have started doing this when the water changed to the way it is today. The second paper looks at a group of animals with hard parts on the top and bottom that lives on the bottom of the water place and eats food by moving water into it to pull the food from the water. These animals do not move around much and they have big hard parts, so they are places where these animals that grow on top of other animals like to grow on top of. This paper looks at how these animals grew on top of these other animals to see if there are anythings that are the same or different between groups of animals that are growing over these animals. This is also used to see if we can learn things about how the animals with hard parts on the top and bottom which are having things grown on top of them are living, because some ways things grow over these animal could only happen if the animal with hard parts on the bottom and top are already dead. This paper shows that a lot of the ideas we had about how this animal with hard parts on the top and bottom lived are wrong. These animals did not change the way they sat at the bottom as they got bigger, and we know this because the parts of the animal that would be in the ground are not covered with animals that would grow on top. The only times we see these parts covered are when the animals that grow over would grow over the parts where the animal with hard parts on the bottom and the top would use to get water into to eat, which means that animal must already be dead.   References: Saulsbury, James G., et al. "Evolution of skeletal mineralogy in cheilostome bryozoans from calcite to aragonite seas." Geology 53.11 (2025): 914-918. Vantoorenburg, Haley N., et al. "Palaeoecology of Middle Devonian epizoans and their Paraspirifer hosts." Palaeontology 69.2 (2026): e70050.

    1 h 42 min

  3. 31/05

    Podcast 333 - Think Big

    The gang discusses two papers about fossil cephalopods. The first paper uses new methods to reassess the taxonomy of what was previously considered to be the oldest octopod, and the second paper uses preserved beaks to reconstruct large body sizes of Mesozoic octopods. Meanwhile, Amanda keeps it within Michigan, James brings up THE cephalopod talk, and Curt ascends.   Up-Goer Five (Curt Edition): Our friends talk about two papers that look at animals with many arms and a sharp mouth. The first paper looks at some parts of a very old animal with many arms. People thought that it might be an animal with many arms that does not have a hard home to live inside and carry around with it. But this paper looks over that animal and finds that the animal is an animal that lived in a hard home that it carried, but after it died it fell out of that home when it started to fall to pieces. The second paper looks at another animal with many arms and uses the size of the mouth to see how big the animal was. They find that these animals with many arms were very very big. They also say that this means they were really sharp which the friends talk about a lot.   References: Clements, Thomas, et al. "Synchrotron data reveal nautiloid characters in Pohlsepia mazonensis, refuting a Palaeozoic origin for octobrachians." Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 293.2068 (2026). Ikegami, Shin, et al. "Earliest octopuses were giant top predators in Cretaceous oceans." Science 392.6796 (2026): 406-410.

    1 h 46 min

  4. 17/05

    Podcast 332 - Bird Peepin'

    The gang discusses two papers that investigate phenotypic plasticity. The first paper reviews the pathways by which phenotype can be plastic, and the second paper looks at plasticity of breeding times in urban vs rural bird populations. Meanwhile, James manages a basement, Amanda names the papers, and Curt makes allegations.   Up-Goer Five (James Edition): Today the group look at two papers that are interested in how animals change because of the type of place they live. The first paper is looking at different ways that animals can be changed, either by being changed as they grow or by changing things so that while the animal does not change right now its babies are different. The paper talks about how important the little bits that escape the brain to tell your body how to grow and what to make are and that many of the changes are caused by the different numbers of things escaping the brain because of the different places that the animal lives. The other paper is looking at small angry animals that fly and seeing when they lay small round quiet babies in different places. They look at when the small round quiet babies first appear in places that are built by people and places that are built by trees and also look at how this time has changed over several years during which it has gotten hotter. They find that most small angry animals that fly have their small round quiet babies earlier in places that are built by people, and also that as things have gotten hotter that also makes them have their small round quiet babies earlier. The further up they are though it seems like the time between having small round quiet babies in place built by people and places built by trees is not as much.   References: Seebacher, Frank, and Alexander G. Little. "Mechanisms underlying phenotypic plasticity in response to environmental change." Biological Reviews 101.2 (2026): 713-734. Cuchot, Paul, et al. "Facing rising temperatures in urban environments: the role of phenological plasticity in an urban-dwelling passerine, Parus major." Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 293.2068 (2026).

    1 h 27 min

  5. 3/05

    Podcast 331 - Reef It Up

    The gang discusses two papers that investigate ancient bioherms. The first paper looks at the formation of early Phanerozoic reefs, and the second paper investigates patterns of reef building and collapse in the late Devonian. Meanwhile, James is being advertised to, Amanda plans unique roadtrips, and Curt solicits legal advice.   Up-Goer Five (Amanda Edition): Today our friends talk about animals that have green friends that make hard bits. These animals that make hard parts are really important today because they make good places for other animals to live. But we don't know all about them and where they first came from and how they first started making hard parts for places to live. So the first paper looks at where these animals that make hard parts for other animals to live in come from. They look at really early animals that make hard parts and show what kinds of places they live in, and also how they stick themselves to the bottom. It looks like different animals got started in different ways, then went out to all sorts of different places and got better at making hard parts for other animals to live in, until that was all they could do. The second paper talks about a bad time when everything died and how animals that make hard parts for other things to live in all died and tiny things we can't see without making them look big took over from them. At this time there were different animals that made hard parts for other animals to live in that lived together to make big areas of hard parts, but then they all died and never came back. But when we look at the rocks we find that tiny things we can't see without making them look big are all over the place while the animals that make hard bits for other animals to live in all die. This paper talks a lot about rocks, but the important thing is that they think the tiny things we can't see without making them look big might be the kind of thing that takes over all the places when times are bad and everything dies, but that might not be the case.   References: Zhuravlev, Andrey Yurevich, and Rachel Wood. "On the origin of metazoan reefs." Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 293.2068 (2026). Xinsong, Zhang, et al. "How microbes replaced metazoans in reef ecosystem during the Late Devonian mass extinction: new insights from platform facies in South China." Lethaia 58.4 (2025): 1-22.

    1 h 40 min

  6. 19/04

    Podcast 330 - Dinosaur Body Pillow

    The gang discusses two papers about the functional morphology of ancient groups of animals. The first paper is a review of how the life position of rangeomorph ediacaran taxa have been reconstructed, and the second paper conducts an actualistic experiment of Oviraptor nesting strategies. Meanwhile, Curt gets activated, James doesn't die, and Amanda relishes in details.   Up-Goer Five (James Edition): The group look at two papers that focus of understanding how things are long dead lived. The first paper talks about strange things that might have either lived standing up or lying down at the bottom of the water which is big and you can not drink. It is hard to tell how these things lived because there are not any around today and so instead we need to look at their form and how they are found in the rock. Most of the things seem to have lived how we thought but one actually was lying down rather than standing up. The second paper looks at how big angry animals without hair kept their round babies and helped them grow by making a form in the ground like they used and putting round babies in it. They looked at how the round babies did by themselves and how they did with a warm bag on top like their final big form. They decide that they probably had the final big form covering the round babies when they were growing but that they did not do it the same was a things that fly and do not have hair today.   References: McIlroy, Duncan. "Determining the mode of life of Ediacaran rangeomorphs in deep marine settings of Peri-Gondwanan Avalonia." Assemblage 550.538Ma (2022). Su, Chun-Yu, et al. "Heat transfer in a realistic clutch reveals a lower efficiency in incubation of oviraptorid dinosaurs than of modern birds." Frontiers in Ecology and Evolution 14 (2026): 1351288.

    1 h 30 min

  7. 5/04

    Podcast 329 - Boom Shakalaka

    The gang discusses two papers that use quantitative methods to investigate the biomechanical limitations of extinct organisms. The first paper models the range of jumping potential for a non-avian theropod dinosaur, and the other paper tests if an extinct bird could have skimmed the ocean for food. Meanwhile, James imagines a better future, Amanda is to blame, and Curt is heating up.   Up-Goer Five (Amanda Edition): Today our friends look at two papers that talk about how things do stuff. The first paper looks at how a small one of large animals with thick skin and no hair would jump. It would jump very different than living animals with not thick skin with pieces that come off and have many parts. This is because they have long back parts that would get in the way and so they have to jump different. They could probably jump well, but just very different. The paper has very funny pictures that show this. The paper also has a computer do a pretend living animal with not thick skin with pieces that come off and have many parts, but they do not look at any living animals, just what the computer does. The second paper looks at very big not living animal with not thick skin with pieces that come off and have many parts, that has not real teeth in its mouth and shows that it could not live like some living animals with not thick skin with pieces that come off and have many parts that have very long faces and the bottom part of their mouth is much longer than the top part. They go over water and use their mouth to eat things that live in water. But the not living animal with not thick skin with pieces that come off and have many parts was too big and too bad at flying to do this kind of living.   References: Hellyer-Price, Olivia, Chris Venditti, and Stuart Humphries. "The largest extinct volant bird Pelagornis could not meet the energetic demands of skimming." Royal Society Open Science 13.2 (2026). Charles, James P., Delyle T. Polet, and John R. Hutchinson. "Form–function relationships determining optimal jumping performance in an early bipedal dinosaur." Journal of The Royal Society Interface 23.235 (2026).

    1 h 27 min

  8. 22/03

    Podcast 238 - Fins for Days

    The gang discusses two papers that are united by a fin. The first paper uses a computer algorithms to infer the shape of mosasaur tail fins, and the second paper looks at a new species of Spinosaurus with a crest. Meanwhile, James tastes flavor, Amanda tastes drink, and Curt tastes indifference.   Up-Goer Five - SERVER NOT FOUND! HELP!   References: Song, Yang, and Johan Lindgren. "Convergence in aquatic locomotion: reconstructing mosasaurian (Squamata: Mosasauria) tail fins from osteological correlates and covariation with extant sharks." Paleobiology 52.1 (2026): 121-130. Sereno, Paul C., et al. "Scimitar-crested Spinosaurus species from the Sahara caps stepwise spinosaurid radiation." Science 391.6787 (2026): eadx5486.

    1 h 52 min
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A group of scientists have biweekly informal discussions about evolutionary biology and palaeontology... over beer.

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  • Autoria
    James Lamsdell, Amanda Falk, and Curtis Congreve
  • Anos em atividade
    2013 - 2026
  • Episódios
    354
  • Classificação
    Explícito
  • Copyright
    © CC-BY
  • Site do programa
    Palaeo After Dark

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