The Circuit

Ben Bajarin and Jay Goldberg

A podcast about the business and market of semiconductors

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    EP 188: The Wild West of Optical, Cisco's AI Hack, and Is Compute an Investable Asset

    In this episode of The Circuit, hosts Ben Bajarin and Jay Goldberg break down the evolving structural dynamics across optical networking, semiconductor manufacturing, and AI infrastructure financing. They begin by analyzing the divergent earnings from Lumentum and Coherent, pointing to margin pressures and the yield challenges Coherent faces during its transition to 6-inch indium phosphide wafers. This leads to a detailed debate on optical interconnect architectures—distinguishing Linear Pluggable Optics (LPO) from Near-Packaged Optics (NPO) and Co-Packaged Optics (CPO)—while noting that adoption remains largely rack-to-rack rather than internal to the rack due to manufacturing and serviceability bottlenecks. Turning to enterprise networking, the hosts highlight Cisco's resurgence powered by its proprietary Silicon One chips and its clever use of Anthropic's Mythos model to run security audits that drive hardware refreshes. Applied Materials' record quarter is evaluated next, where eight quarters of visibility backed by Long-Term Agreements (LTAs) demonstrate structural supply chain shifts, despite market hesitancy likely tied to Intel's pending capex plans. Finally, they examine NVIDIA's proposed $500 billion data center financing initiative, debating whether vendor-backed capital creates circular demand or serves as a necessary bridge for capital markets, while challenging Jensen Huang's assertion that compute should be viewed as a standalone, non-obsolescent asset class.

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A podcast about the business and market of semiconductors

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