This week I am happy to share my interview with one of the pioneers of Brainspotting, Dr. Pie Frey. Together with Brainspotting consultant and Rocky Mountain Brainspotting Institute (RMBI) board member Thad Frey, we discussed how Pie got started in Brainspotting and how she's been part of bringing it to where it is now; an overview of the benefits of this method; what RMBI offers; and we got into how Brainspotting can be useful with OCD. Pie generously shared her OCD setup and talked about how it helps the neural wiring become "unstuck," potentially relieving OCD symptoms, trauma and so many other mental health challenges. Join us for a fascinating discussion about all things Brainspotting and learn how it can help with OCD symptoms! Pie Frey, PsyD, was in the vanguard of therapists to adopt Brainspotting and is the Senior US and Canadian Trainer. She has assisted Dr. David Grand, the developer of Brainspotting, in many training workshops and Intensive Trainings. Dr. Frey is a psychotherapist in private practice in Boulder, Colorado. She has trained thousands of BSP therapists throughout the United States and Canada in Phase 1 and Phase 2 since 2009. Dr Frey offers 5-day intensive Trainings, small, intensely focused BSP groups limited to 10 therapists at a time. She also facilitates Brainspotting consultation groups and provides individual consultation for BSP therapists. Dr. Frey has developed a Brainspotting setup for relieving obsessive-compulsive symptoms currently in use all around the world.Dr. Frey founded and is the President of the Rocky Mountain Brainspotting Institute in Colorado, a nonprofit organization educating community about Brainspotting and developing a free Brainspotting scholarship program. Thad Frye, LCSW, is a licensed clinical social worker, Brainspotting Consultant, and founder of Performance Brainspotting in Boulder, Colorado. With more than 20 years of clinical experience, Thad specializes in helping collegiate and professional athletes, musicians, and other high performers overcome performance blocks, including the yips, injury-related setbacks, creative barriers, and the unique pressures of performing at elite levels. As a Brainspotting Consultant, Thad provides collaborative, supportive consultation to clinicians pursuing Brainspotting certification, helping therapists deepen their clinical confidence, strengthen their use of the model, and discover their own authentic style as Brainspotting practitioners. Learn about training or therapy with Dr. Pie Frey here: https://piefrey.com/ Learn more about therapy with Thad Frye via his website: https://www.thadfryecounseling.com/ Learn more about Thad's performance coaching work here: https://www.performancebrainspotting.com/ Listen to Thad's two previous Therapy Chat interviews here More Resources: My course on therapy skills for work with survivors of sexual violence is available on The Academy of Therapy Wisdom site. Watch a free video and access the course. Find the video and access the course here! We are all carrying a lot, whether we are helping professionals or not. Retreats have been hugely beneficial for me, and I am now offering them - for therapists and non-therapists - in several beautiful international and US-based locations. We're currently updating the TTN website to list retreats in 2026 and 2027 in Spain, North Carolina, Mexico, Portugal, Greece, France and more. 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