Future U Podcast - The Pulse of Higher Ed

Jeff Selingo, Michael Horn

Jeff Selingo and Michael Horn discuss what’s next for higher education and talk with the newsmakers you want to hear from most. Find the latest news and insights into the current trends in higher ed on the Future U. Podcast.

  1. Preparing Students for an AI-Infused Workforce

    HACE 4 DÍAS

    Preparing Students for an AI-Infused Workforce

    In this special episode recorded live at Adobe’s EduMAX conference, Jeff and Michael explore practical ways to harness AI in higher education to prepare students to be more effective creators. They were joined by a panel of industry and academic experts including Jennifer Sparrow, New York University’s chief academic technology officer; Simon Koh, who has led early career recruiting at Raymond James and KPMG, among other organizations; and Allison Salisbury, founder and CEO of Humanist Venture Studio. Relevant Links:“AI Is Not Just Ending Entry-Level Jobs. It’s the End of the Career Ladder as We Know It,” CNBC“ The Rise of AI Will Make Liberal Arts Degrees Popular Again. Here’s Why,” in Inc magazine. Chapters0:00 - Intro 3:49 - What Is an AI-Ready Graduate? 7:52 - How AI is Changing Early-Career Jobs 11:00 - What Skills and Mindsets Do Students Need? 14:31 - How Colleges Can Increase Experiential Education With Employers 22:19 - What Colleges Do As Employers Pull Back on Internships 28:37 - What is the Purpose of College in an AI World? 34:14 - How the Signaling Power of College Could Change in the AI Era 37:38 - How Students Are Using AI to Create 41:25 - Will AI Bring Resurgence of Liberal Arts? 45:50 - How Creativity is Important Even in the Finance Sector 49:31 - Why AI is More Creative Than Humans 51:40 - What Colleges Can Do in the Next 12 Months Connect with Michael Horn:Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads   Connect with Jeff Selingo:Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U:Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn   Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.

    55 min
  2. How States Can Meet the Moment In Higher Ed

    4 NOV

    How States Can Meet the Moment In Higher Ed

    In this time of uncertainty and pullback of federal support for higher education, is it time for states to step up and play a greater leadership role in helping colleges better serve students? And if so, how? Jeff and Michael debate those questions on this episode. To set the stage, they talk with Ruth Watkins, president of postsecondary education for Strada Education Foundation and a former college president, about Strada’s new State Opportunity Index. A key theme: the state level may be the ideal one to match educational offerings with available jobs, especially as AI reshapes so many industries. This episode is made with support from Strada Education Foundation. Chapters0:00 - Intro 3:40 - How a New Report Measures State Higher Ed Efforts 5:53 - Is This a Time for States to Lead? 8:17 - How to Encourage Competition Among States 10:12 - Which States Lead In Higher Ed ROI 12:52 - Low Tuition Doesn’t Guarantee Good ROI 15:39 - What Can Colleges Do If Job Prospects Are Low in a State? 19:00 - Who Is the Audience for the State Opportunity Index? 21:09 - How Can State Measure Return on Investing in Higher Ed? 23:52 - What Can States Do in Higher Ed to Respond to AI? 26:45 - Sponsor Break 27:55 - Some Context for How States Interact With Federal Higher Ed Support 29:40 - Why Jeff Thinks States and the Feds Aren’t ‘Rowing in the Same Direction’ 32:00 - Why Michael Sees More Alignment in State and Federal Efforts 34:15 - Will States Step In to Support Research? 37:07 - Are Some States Doing Better on Work-Based Learning? 40:54 - Colleges Still Aren’t Comfortable in Their Role of Getting Students Jobs 46:29 - New Leadership Opportunity In Human Capital in the AI Era 48:18 - A Better Way to Measure State Investment 51:56 - Lightning Round With Ruth Watkins Relevant Links:2025 Strada State Opportunity Index Strada Education Foundation  2025 Grapevine Report State Higher Education Executive Officers Association Connect with Michael Horn:Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads   Connect with Jeff Selingo:Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U:Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn   Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.

    55 min
  3. Visiting Butler: Sparking a Culture of Innovation

    30 OCT

    Visiting Butler: Sparking a Culture of Innovation

    On the latest stop of Future U.'s campus tour, Michael and Jeff visit Butler University to talk with Butler president Jim Danko and other campus leaders. They explore how, out of a mix of excitement about serving students and fear of potential competitive threats on the horizon, the university built a culture and infrastructure to encourage innovation. Relevant LinksButler University’s Transformation Lab website. Chapters0:00 - Why We Wanted to Visit Butler University 3:46 - What Butler’s President Said He Would Do When He First Started 7:22 - Some Early Wins In Sparking Innovation 9:16 - The Importance of Time and Patience in College Leadership 13:25 - How Presidents Can Best Work With Trustees to Encourage Innovation 15:46 - How a Business Background Influenced Leading a University 19:37 - Why Did Butler Push for Innovation? 21:11 - Putting a Vision Into Practice 22:50 - The Importance of Wanting to Win 28:01 - A Chief Strategy Officer’s Viewpoint 35:35 - A Faculty Perspective on Innovation 37:04 - The 50-50 Rule of Running the Board of Trustees 38:53 - What Butler Ventures Looks Like Today 47:43 - What Grade Would Butler Give Its Innovation Efforts? 52:00 - Closing Observations Connect with Michael Horn:Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads   Connect with Jeff Selingo:Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U:Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn   Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.

    56 min
  4. The Impact of AI on Student Motivation

    21 OCT

    The Impact of AI on Student Motivation

    How can AI be adopted in a way that turns more students into “explorers” rather than “passengers” in their learning? This week we bring you a conversation with the co-author of a book on student disengagement in school, Rebecca Winthrop, who is also researching the impact of AI on education. The episode is by one of Future U’s producers, Jeff Young, from his new podcast, Learning Curve. Chapters0:00 - Intro  4:19 - When the ‘Student Disengagement Crisis’ Started 7:25 - A Framework for Describing Levels of Student Engagement 15:18 - How AI Is Impacting Student Motivation 19:00 - Why ChatGPT’s ‘Study Mode’ Is Not the Answer 25:05 - Advice for Companies Making AI Tools for Education 29:32 - Tips for Students  34:42 - A High School Student’s Take on AI  48:30 - Advice For Teachers on Dealing with AI 51:35 - What Is the Purpose of School in the Age of Generative AI? Publications Mentioned:“The Disengaged Teen,”  by Rebecca Winthrop and Jenny Anderson  “Minnesota high school student weighs the benefits and pitfalls of AI,”  Minnesota Now “I’m a High Schooler. AI Is Demolishing My Education,” The Atlantic Brookings Global Task Force on AI in Education website ‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education,’ The Ezra Klein Show “Attention Please: Professors Struggle With Student Disengagement,” EdSurge “Playing the Grade Game,” Bootstraps podcast series Connect with Michael Horn:Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads   Connect with Jeff Selingo:Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U:Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn   Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.

    58 min
  5. How AI Could Reshape Higher Ed

    14 OCT

    How AI Could Reshape Higher Ed

    Parents and prospective students want to know how colleges are responding to the rise of generative AI — and to other recent developments like federal budget cuts to research. On this episode, Jeff and Michael share what they’re both hearing as they visit campuses around the country this fall. And they offer their analysis of what AI could mean for higher education, and whether the time is ripe for new entrants to enter the college landscape. This episode is made with support from Ascendium Education Group. Publications MentionedShould College Get Harder? Joshua Rothman in The New Yorker Student Loan Debt Is Strangling Gen X Oyin Adedoyin in The Wall Street Journal Charlie Javice sentenced to 7 years in prison for $175M fraud ABC News Anthology Declares Bankruptcy, Blackboard to Remain as the Core, Phil Hill, in OnEdTech Chapters0:00 - Intro 2:23 - What Jeff Is Hearing On His Book Tour for ‘Dream School’ 4:25 - Should College Get Harder Because of AI? 7:27 - Why Different Kinds of Colleges Will Be Impacted Differently 10:48 - Startup Universities Are Emerging With an AI Focus 14:25 - Redesigning the College Experience Around Activities and Personal Development 17:39 - Will a New Kind of Expertise Be Required On Campuses? 19:20 - Will Employers Trust Degrees In the AI Era? 24:40 - Sponsor Break 25:35 - How Student Loan Debt Is Impacting Gen X 28:22 - A Republican Effort to Question Consultants That Help Set College Prices 30:15 - Charlie Javice Sentenced In Fraud Case 31:44 - Anthology, Owner of Blackboard LMS, Goes Bankrupt 34:00 - Some Trade Schools Exempted From New Federal Rules 35:00 - Making Changes at Colleges Stick Connect with Michael Horn:Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads   Connect with Jeff Selingo:Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U:Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn   Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.

    40 min
  6. Why a University Proactively Sought a Merger

    7 OCT

    Why a University Proactively Sought a Merger

    Mergers and acquisitions are usually seen as bad things in higher ed. But there’s a growing sense that many colleges could benefit by teaming up, especially as the fiscal cliff means fewer potential students. Jeff and Michael continue to dive into their fascination with M&A by talking to Walter Iwanenko Jr, the president of Gannon University in Erie, Pa., about how and why the institution sought a merger with Ursuline College near Cleveland. This episode is made with support from Ascendium Education Group Publications Mentioned:“Two North Carolina universities announced a merger. Why some alumni are pushing back,” in USA Today.  “A Midwest Merger: How Two Ohio Colleges Are Coming Together,” from Future U, season 8. Chapters3:42 - Why Mergers and Acquisitions Are Increasingly Important In HIgher Ed 6:15 - What Led Gannon University to Look for a Merger? 9:30 - What Gannon University Hoped For in a Partner 13:01 - How Gannon University Found Ursuline College 16:21 - What’s Stopping More Colleges From Seeking Mergers? 21:36 - Learning From Other Mergers That Failed 23:04 - What Should Change to Help More Mergers Happen? 27:02 - Sponsor Break 29:00 - How to Change the Perception of M&A in Higher Ed 35:46 - Finding the Right Leadership 38:30 - What is the Trump Administration’s Stance on Making College Mergers Easier? 41:08 - Lightning Round Connect with Michael Horn:Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads   Connect with Jeff Selingo:Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U:Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn   Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.

    44 min
  7. Reporters Roundtable: How Trump Is Shaking Up Higher Ed

    23 SEP

    Reporters Roundtable: How Trump Is Shaking Up Higher Ed

    We’re bringing back a favorite format to go behind the headlines with top beat reporters covering colleges. Our latest roundtable focuses on how the Trump administration’s many executive orders, research grant cancellations, and crackdowns on international students are changing the higher ed landscape in the U.S. and globally. Jeff and Michael are joined by reporters from The Wall Street Journal, The Boston Globe, and The Chronicle of Higher Education to hear their insights and analysis. This episode made with support from Ascendium Education Group. Chapters0:00 - Introducing the Reporters in the Roundtable 4:10 - How the Trump Administration Picks Which Colleges to Target? 8:36 - A Shift from Ivies to SEC Schools 11:01 - How the Campus Mood Is Different at Mizzou Than at Harvard 13:05 - What’s New With International Students on Campus 14:55 - Will International Education Decline Globally? 17:17 - The Impact of International Student Decline on Colleges’ Bottom Lines 19:07 - How Much Has International Enrollment Declined? 20:55 - Will International Students Fear Returning Home for the Summer? 22:24 - Sponsor Break 22:36 - Lessons from the Santa Ono Bid to Lead University of Florida 26:50 - Divide Between Red State and Blue State Universities 29:25 - Will Trump Changes to Higher Ed Stick? 35:38 - Predicting How the Supreme Court Will Rule on Harvard Case 37:13 - Lightning Round Publications Mentioned:"Universities in Red States and Heartland May Be Winners as Ivy League Contends with Trump Onslaught,"  by Hilary Burns in The Boston Globe “Trump Administration’s Cuts to Harvard Funding Are Unconstitutional, Judge Rules,”  by Doug Belkin in The Wall Street Journal "Even as Classes Begin, Some Foreign Students Are Still in Visa Limbo,”  by Karin Fischer in The Chronicle of Higher Education. Connect with Michael Horn:Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads   Connect with Jeff Selingo:Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U:Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn   Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.

    40 min
  8. Redefining the ‘Dream School’

    9 SEP

    Redefining the ‘Dream School’

    In this era of uncertainty, many parents view highly-selective colleges as the best bet for their student’s futures. In his new book just out this month, Future U co-host Jeff Selingo challenges that assumption. For this episode, Jeff moves from the host chair to being a guest to share highlights from the book, ‘Dream School.’ He talks about going beyond which college’s name looks most impressive as a bumper sticker on the family car to focusing on the quality of a college’s teaching, whether it really fits the budget, and other factors that are specific to each student. This episode is made with support from Ascendium Education Group. Relevant Links:Jeff Selingo’s new book, Dream School Chapters0:00 - Intro 2:06 - Why write this book? 3:23 - The ‘New Dream School’ List 11:28 - When Mismatched Schools Cause Dropouts 14:26 - Sponsor Break 16:51 - The Importance of Making Trade-offs 18:44 - Understanding What’s Motivating Choice 19:35 - How AI is Impacting Jobs and Causing Uncertainty About College 20:56 - What Should Colleges Do? 23:23 - Giving Families ‘Social Proof’ of a Broader Group of College 25:29 - The Doom Loop of College Finances 27:56 - How Future U Shaped the Book 29:14 - How Jeff Gets the Word Out on His Book Connect with Michael Horn:Sign Up for the The Future of Education Newsletter Website LinkedIn X (Twitter) Threads   Connect with Jeff Selingo:Dream School: Finding the College That's Right for You Sign Up for the Next Newsletter Website X (Twitter) Threads LinkedIn Connect with Future U:Twitter YouTube Threads Instagram Facebook LinkedIn   Submit a question and if we answer it on air we'll send you Future U. swag! Sign up for Future U. emails to get special updates and behind-the-scenes content.

    32 min
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