Cloud Unplugged

Jon Shanks, Lewis Marshall

Each week, Jon Shanks, CEO of cloud-native consultancy and product business Appvia, and tech evangelist Salman Iqbal, analyse the biggest news stories that week, that are shaping Cloud, Data and AI. Alongside their insight, they invite frontline leaders, Chief Technology Officers and engineering heads from established, cloud-powered organisations to share candid lessons from running real-world workloads at scale. Together, they take the headlines and get to the facts, helping you keep track of the fast-paced Cloud market. Expect straight-talking conversation, sharp analysis as they explore how emerging technology reshapes business and society. Tune in each week to stay a step ahead of the future of tech.

  1. Should AI Have Ethics?

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    Should AI Have Ethics?

    A UN report linked chatbot sycophancy to deaths. So Jon and Salman asked the question: should AI models be ethical? Jon and Salman sit with one of the hardest questions in AI: what does it actually mean for a model to be ethical, who's responsible when it isn't, and how do the major labs actually bake ethics into their training? Salman breaks down the three stages of model training, explains why human preference and ethical behaviour aren't the same thing. Chapter Timestamps 00:00 — Intro: should AI models be ethical?01:28 — Defining ethics (Salman's version, not Aristotle's)03:04 — Jon's counterpoint: humans haven't agreed on ethics either05:31 — Is it the model's job, or the product around it?07:59 — Sycophancy: why chatbots are trained to be liked, not helpful09:16 — The UN report: a 14-year-old, a chatbot, and a death15:01 — Grok gave a user instructions to break into a politician's home18:03 — The case for doing something — anything — over nothing20:11 — How models are actually trained: pre-training, SFT and RLHF explained23:53 — "These models are a mirror of ourselves"25:06 — Anthropic's Constitutional AI: philosophers, principles and RLAIF28:42 — "It's enough for Grok. It's enough for Elon."31:15 — "Broadly safe. Broadly ethical." Jon and Salman on that phrasing.34:11 — OpenAI's model spec: the hierarchy of rules42:25 — Jon's idea: mirror existing industry frameworks instead of starting from scratch45:37 — Wrap up: next ep will bring in a guest to answer the hard questions

    47 min

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Each week, Jon Shanks, CEO of cloud-native consultancy and product business Appvia, and tech evangelist Salman Iqbal, analyse the biggest news stories that week, that are shaping Cloud, Data and AI. Alongside their insight, they invite frontline leaders, Chief Technology Officers and engineering heads from established, cloud-powered organisations to share candid lessons from running real-world workloads at scale. Together, they take the headlines and get to the facts, helping you keep track of the fast-paced Cloud market. Expect straight-talking conversation, sharp analysis as they explore how emerging technology reshapes business and society. Tune in each week to stay a step ahead of the future of tech.