The Structures Within, The Structures Without

This episode brings together Terence Lopez and Carl Viagas, two people who have spent decades in public service and who have each helped shape Gibraltar in different ways.

Carl has spent his career thinking about the physical shape of Gibraltar: its buildings, heritage, and public spaces, and how we present ourselves to the world. Terence has worked at the operational end, the airport, the frontier, security, and the systems that have to function every single day, no matter what is happening around them.

Together, they talk about infrastructure, yes, but also about service, leadership, and what it means to quietly get on with the job.